I'm hoping we bottom out this year: 0-16. Here's why.

[Mike in Horseheads]

WOW!.... Silly me I thought I saw promise for the 1st time in years and I support Whaley for rolling the dice on Sammy, we haven't had a GM since Polian with balls enough to do it. I truly believe the offense will be better this year without Stevie and Moleki (sp) could be a wildcard at TE if he's healthy. Yup losing Kiko is HUGE but so isn't having Spikes in the middle to stop the run. Call me crazy but I'm still BILLieving that this team can do 9-7 and grab a playoff spot.

 

One of the points I was trying to make is that GMs in all professional sports recognize the tenuous nature of their positions. They do their best and understand the environment they work in. I agree with you that Whaley wasn't taking an approach of looking over his shoulder in every transaction he was making. As you stated he was simply doing his job in trying to improve his team. NYC Bill was insinuating that he was making a panic Watkins deal to save his job at the expense of mortgaging the future. I disagree with that assessment. In my view Whaley believed the Watkins deal was a good deal for now and the future.

 

 

 

I think that Whaley and his staff will remain with a new ownership group. But it is not unusual that when a new owner takes over he replaces the former group with his own hires.

The last thing we want is Terry Pegs coming in and blowing up the front office. He should have done that with the Sabres and blown out Regier and Ruff from the the get go. Whaley and Marrone don't equal those bozos.

[PromoTheRobot]

And I think that the theme of virtually all of your posts is to insult Bills Fans who won't stand in the streets with you waving pom-poms.

That said, I sincerely hope that your 4th was pleasant.

 

I doubt I am insulting real Bills fans. No one wishing to go 0-16 (when we don't have a 1st rd pick no less) or wants to cut and fire everyone every year can be much of a fan, IMHO.

 

Having a discussion is impossible because if you aren't wishing for 0-16 or firing everyone you must be a pom-pom waving kool aid drinker. Nothing in between.

Edited July 5, 2014 by PromoTheRobot

[Bill from NYC]

 

 

I doubt I am insulting real Bills fans. No one wishing to go 0-16 (when we don't have a 1st rd pick no less) or wants to cut and fire everyone every year can be much of a fan, IMHO.

 

Having a discussion is impossible because if you aren't wishing for 0-16 or firing everyone you must be a pom-pom waving kool aid drinker. Nothing in between.

 

I'm sure the Kiko news made your weekend.

 

I was with you until the last sentence. That was mean spirited and totally uncalled for.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

I was with you until the last sentence. That was mean spirited and totally uncalled for.

 

And you accusing me of insulting Bills fans with virtually all my posts is okay? As for the last sentence I removed it and I'm sorry if I offended you, but I just assumed you were part of the rah-rah 0-16 crowd.

Edited July 5, 2014 by PromoTheRobot

[SJDK]

I wish I had four hands... SO I COULD GIVE THIS THREAD FOUR THUMBS DOWN! Hahaha Charlie Murphy..

Edited July 5, 2014 by SJDK

[CountryCletus]

 

Losing season, no matter the reason (seasons go bad for many reasons beside "they suck") and you blow it up? After 2 seasons? You obviously just want the Bills to stink forever because you won't invest the time into building a team. I'm convinced a portion of so-called fans want the Bills to be bad because all they know how to respond is negatively.

 

We have been well trained in the art of failing and supporting failure- I'm sure most have forgotten or never known how to embrace success regarding our Buffalo Bills

 

 

Really? He wasn't even the biggest producer last year, as that was Scott Chandler.

 

Stevie Johnson's yards from scrimmage the last 3 years = 2,657

 

CJ Spiller's yards from scrimmage the last 3 years = 3,651

 

Fred Jackson's yards from scrimmage the last 3 years = 3,307

 

Scott Chandler's yards from scrimmage the last 3 years = 1,615

 

So, not only was he out-produced by Scott Chandler last year...but, in 3 years, Stevie only has 1,042 more yards than Chandler.

 

(That is as far as I got reading, as I stopped right after seeing that...because like the tree trunk, your credibility became "dead.")

 

 

And then I tried to continue to read the rest, and give you the benefit of doubt...but my head was nearly ready to explode.

 

You fail to mention how we brought in 2 very solid running backs, one who is young and has proven he is a homerun threat, in Brown.

 

You also fail to mention how we brought in Anthony Dixon and Corey Graham, two excellent special team players.

 

And then you go on to say Dareus is our best defensive lineman, failing to recognize the 3 who had double-digit sacks last year.

 

How in the world could ANYBODY take you seriously with this non-sense? It is absolutely brutal to try and read your post and make sense of it.

 

ps. Thank you for making my July 4th somewhat comical...I at least owe you that much...but your glass is not "half empty," it has shattered into a million pieces.

 

You, my friend, made my day! Thank you for that!

[Rocky Landing]

And you accusing me of insulting Bills fans with virtually all my posts is okay? As for the last sentence I removed it and I'm sorry if I offended you, but I just assumed you were part of the rah-rah 0-16 crowd.

Is there an actual "0-16 crowd?" I really thought it was just one guy who, mulling his morning coffee and bong load, had authored an ill-advised thread that now won't seem to die.

[CountryCletus]

Is there an actual "0-16 crowd?" I really thought it was just one guy who, mulling his morning coffee and bong load, had authored an ill-advised thread that now won't seem to die.

 

Austin Powers-

 

"Why won't you die!!!!"

[Rocky Landing]

Austin Powers-

 

"Why won't you die!!!!"

Die thread, die!!!

[CountryCletus]

Who does this thread work fooooorrrr

[JohnC]

 

John, the above IS my point. You seem to question whether or not EJ will be "competent," yet you think it's ok to give up the Bills best resource for a wide receiver.

And btw, I think he will probably be at least competent if they let him run the read option. If.....IF he isn't a top quality passer there is no reason to baby him.

 

 

Sorry, but I completely disagree with the above. Another losing season and heads will roll, with Marrone being first on the list.

 

You are correct that I am not at this early point making a declaration that he is going to be a legitimate franchise qb or not. The issue I have with him is his level of accuracy. However, I consider him a good prospect because he has the makeup (maturity and work ethic) and physical tools to be a good qb.

 

With respect to your read option preference my response is simply: HELL NO! Even if the Bills had Kaepernick as their qb I would still prefer having my qb be reluctant (judiciious) when deciding to take off. In the short term having your qb run past the line scrimmage for a respectable gain may be productive but the cummulative battering will take its toll. Griffin from the Redskins is a good example of that point.

 

Last year, Hackett started his reign as an OC with a quick paced no huddle offense that didn't demonstrate how smart he was as a coordinator so much as it demonstrated how inexperienced he was as a coordinator. He had no choice but to tone down his accelerated pace because it was disasterous to both the offense and defense. His approach to handling a rookie qb never made sense to me.

 

On a side note I want you to know that just because you have some different opinions from the majority on some topics that doesn't put you in the category of being overly negative or disloyal. Although we have different opinions on the Spiller selection that doesn't mean that your position on him doesn't have some merit, even if it is wrong! LOL

Edited July 5, 2014 by JohnC

[Mike in Horseheads]

Polian was desperately trying to save his job when he engineered the Cornelius Bennett trade.

 

GO BILLS!!!

I don't remember Polian desperately trying to save his job when he traded for Bisquit. I'm not saying he wasn't, please refresh my memory.

[Beerball]

I don't remember Polian desperately trying to save his job when he traded for Bisquit. I'm not saying he wasn't, please refresh my memory.

It's tough to remember Polian doing anything in desperation.

[3rdand12]

You are correct that I am not at this early point making a declaration that he is going to be a legitimate franchise qb or not. The issue I have with him is his level of accuracy. However, I consider him a good prospect because he has the makeup (maturity and work ethic) and physical tools to be a good qb.

 

With respect to your read option preference my response is simply: HELL NO! Even if the Bills had Kaepernick as their qb I would still prefer having my qb be reluctant (judiciious) when deciding to take off. In the short term having your qb run past the line scrimmage for a respectable gain may be productive but the cummulative battering will take its toll. Griffin from the Redskins is a good example of that point.

 

Last year, Hackett started his reign as an OC with a quick paced no huddle offense that didn't demonstrate how smart he was as a coordinator so much as it demonstrated how inexperienced he was as a coordinator. He had no choice but to tone down his accelerated pace because it was disasterous to both the offense and defense. His approach to handling a rookie qb never made sense to me.

 

On a side note I want you to know that just because you have some different opinions from the majority on some topics that doesn't put you in the category of being overly negative or disloyal. Although we have different opinions on the Spiller ( fill in the blank )selection that doesn't mean that your position on him doesn't have some merit, even if it is wrong! LOL

lets all consider this most excellent thrust and parry carried on here as food for thought in dealing with others here abouts.

Well done gentlemen all

 

This year has been all about forward motion.

Its sincere and its significant .

[K-9]

I don't remember Polian desperately trying to save his job when he traded for Bisquit. I'm not saying he wasn't, please refresh my memory.

 

I was being sarcastic in response to the previously posted opinion that the Watkins trade was done simply because Whaley and Co. are "desperately trying to save their jobs."

 

That said, we were 4-12 the previous season and only 3-4 in '87 when the trade was made. I'm sure there were more than a few back then who thought it was a desperate move. Actually, I know that for a fact. Lots of people were pissed and thought Polian mortgaged the future. Of course, given how it all turned out and how much we've romanticized that era, nobody would ever admit to that now.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[KDIGGZ]

This thread is a joke. Anyone that knows anything about football can see we are loaded with talent. Even if every starter was injured Thad could still gut out a few wins for us. But barring any injuries, we are at worst a .500 team.

[Mike in Horseheads]

I was being sarcastic in response to the previously posted opinion that the Watkins trade was done simply because Whaley and Co. are "desperately trying to save their jobs."

 

That said, we were 4-12 the previous season and only 3-4 in '87 when the trade was made. I'm sure there were more than a few back then who thought it was a desperate move. Actually, I know that for a fact. Lots of people were pissed and thought Polian mortgaged the future. Of course, given how it all turned out and how much we've romanticized that era, nobody would ever admit to that now.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Thanks! Just wanted to make sure my 80's brains weren't fried. You are also right as to the fan base reaction at the time. I don't think I was on "prodigy" yet at that time that was TBDof it's time for a lot of us.

[Bob Malooga]

We have been well trained in the art of failing and supporting failure- I'm sure most have forgotten or never known how to embrace success regarding our Buffalo Bills

 

 

 

You, my friend, made my day! Thank you for that!

Thanks for acknowledging it! lol. I usually don't speak out unless I know what I am talking about and have done my research.

 

I felt this was a perfect opportunity to completely destroy the OP's credibility and absurd thread...I thought it would end there, but I thought wrong!

 

(Kind of like the guy who has been arguing with me that Steve Ott is a better option for the Sabres than Cody McCormick, "because he scores more goals"...but last year, McCormick's shooting % was like 17% and Ott's was 11%...where do people come up with this stuff? He also argues with me that Kevin Porter needs to play in Buffalo and not Rochester...but Kevin Porter signed with Detroit 4 days ago! Lmao. It blows my mind sometimes. That's not even the tip of the iceberg...he commented "they need to send down Girgensons," and that is where I ended the conversation. Sorry for Sabres talk in a Bills forum...but it just goes to show how stupid some people can be.)

Edited July 5, 2014 by Bob Malooga

[3rdand12]

Thanks for acknowledging it! lol. I usually don't speak out unless I know what I am talking about and have done my research.

 

I felt this was a perfect opportunity to completely destroy the OP's credibility and absurd thread...I thought it would end there, but I thought wrong!

 

(Kind of like the guy who has been arguing with me that Steve Ott is a better option for the Sabres than Cody McCormick, "because he scores more goals"...but last year, McCormick's shooting % was like 17% and Ott's was 11%...where do people come up with this stuff? He also argues with me that Kevin Porter needs to play in Buffalo and not Rochester...but Kevin Porter signed with Detroit 4 days ago! Lmao. It blows my mind sometimes. That's not even the tip of the iceberg...he commented "they need to send down Girgensons," and that is where I ended the conversation. Sorry for Sabres talk in a Bills forum...but it just goes to show how stupid some people can be.)

I would like to substitute the word - incorrect. here .

No i am not the grammar police or miss Manners .

But calling someone stupid is is either anger or arrogance .

Thinking someone is stupid is accepted and normal .

Im pretty dumb and even i noticed some seriously stupid people acting stupid. and its everyday . geez .

but i dont say anything about .

just consider it Bob. especially when talking about the Sabres

[8-8 Forever?]

absolutely.

 

that is, to me, immensely more preferable than going 7-9 and maintaining status quo.

 

i want pegula to sit in the owners box and watch this train wreck. i want the wheels to come off. and then i want the league to laugh at us for not having a first round pick next year. i want it to be a disaster.

 

and i want that because i want everyone associated with buffalo bills football to be fired. littman, overdorff, whaley, brandon, marrone, hacket. everyone.

 

the bills have drafted all-stars: turn on the tv, youll see them winning super bowls and playoff games for other teams around the league.

 

we suck. we're poorly run. and we're going to be bad again this year, because we didn't upgrade our team. but the problem is: there's no relief next year, because our gm gave up our pick.

 

so let's be done with it, once and for all. let's get rid of all the guys out who have carved out their seat of power in the organization. let's build a winner from the top down. that's not happening if we go 8-8.

 

we need to fail. spectacularly.

Um, no. Bills have a nice team this year. Any more Kiko type knockouts and it won't matter b/c our talent won't be on the field, but the talent is there now it seems. Injuries kills seasons , so that is a huge wildcard as "next man up" is pretty much garbage if whole units get wiped out by injury. If Kiko is it for this year's pro bowl season enders, then I like 'em. Hard not to. EJ can play enough IMO.

 

we will see