IDBillzFan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 New HIllary promo photo. She's looking much healthier these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 If Trump becomes elected, whether you and others who feel as you do like it or not, Trump's brand of proto-fascist Nativist nationalism becomes what the Republican party represents; and will be what is campaigned against for the next 4-5 Presidential election cycles. I usually agree with you TYTT, but this actually made me laugh out loud. This has already been the dems/media modus operandi for the past thirty years ! Every GOP candidate is Hitler, no matter how moderate. No. Letting the dem/DC elite obtain even more power under Hillary is NOT the answer. As I put in an earlier (Trump) thread...........If the Donald was elected he would have routine BIPARTISAN opposition. there wouldn't be this dictator/ blow up the country sh*t like Benny Franklin keeps predicting....that is fantasy. NOW........back to Hillary Hillary campaign losing patience with Bill rape protesters... Bill Clinton: Trump Base 'Standard Rednecks'... WIKILEAKS DROPS 1,200 MORE TODAY... DEVELOPING... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Every GOP candidate is Hitler, no matter how moderate. Yes, but the difference is that Trump embraces that kind of talk. He's surrounded by the Ozy's of the world, who see him as their Hitler, and he digs it. That's the point TYTT was making, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Yes, but the difference is that Trump embraces that kind of talk. He's surrounded by the Ozy's of the world, who see him as their Hitler, and he digs it. That's the point TYTT was making, I think. Well, I respectfully disagree LA, that is opinion. I think that I have been pretty clear with my dislike for Trump. He is a pompous blowhard, who talks before he thinks...... and I wanted any other GOP candidate than him (except Jeb -- no dynasties) but I have to laugh at the predictions of doom and gloom if he is elected. Despite the evidence of the last eight years, we still have some checks and balances in our Republic. The dems and the GOPe will certainly work against him, the media will criticize him no matter WHAT he does, and the ever more liberal courts will certainly vote against him. I do not care if the Republican party is torn down............I just don't want the republic torn down...and that's what a Hillary administration would do. If Hillary is elected, do you think that there will be the same limits on her power/actions?..............think again. . Edited October 12, 2016 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 If that's true, then maybe it needs to be destroyed so it can begin anew. And seriously, doesn't conservatism mean you should actually "conserve" something? Conservatives never conserve dick. The Libs want to go 10 feet and the conservatives hold them to only going 5 feet, then pat themselves on the back at how good a job they did holding them to 5 feet, when all parties involved know that at the next go around the Libs will again ask for 10 feet, the conservatives will hold them to 5 feet (thereby giving them the full 10 feet they wanted previously) and the cycle goes on and on. Rinse repeat. Have fun with that, "conservative". Preach on, manifesto-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 /facepalm The President becomes the defacto face of the party he represents. If Trump becomes elected, whether you and others who feel as you do like it or not, Trump's brand of proto-fascist Nativist nationalism becomes what the Republican party represents; and will be what is campaigned against for the next 4-5 Presidential election cycles. You'll see a hyper-shift towards the extreme left in this country that will make Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama look right-center, as the "Trump Opposition Party" takes deep roots after he crashes and burns. By the time Republicans, if they even exist anymore, have a chance at the Oval Office; the country won't be recognizable anymore. The best thing that can possibly happen for the long and intermediate term future of our country is for Clinton to be elected, suffer a one term presidency rife with scandal and a likely recession, allowing for Republicans to learn from the Trump ascension, and become a party representative of the People. Good job, though, with your grand plan to flush the backbone of the country down the toilet for good. /golf clap You make valid points, but I disagree with the direction of your conclusions. Also this "proto-fascist Nativist nationalism" comes across as a lefty tactic of intimidation which is supposed to give us the bad 'feels' and make us ashamed. Sorry but it doesn't work like that much anymore, People are fed up. It's really just a cop out against being pinned down on specifics in what you are trying to say anyway. How's about you unpack that and tell us what you mean by it? If you elect, or facilitate the election of Hilary, she will do everything in her power to make sure she has the easiest chance at re-election, and the media will work with her to downplay any major scandal she has as demonstrated with what's going on right now. The country may be unrecognizable at the end of her first term as it is, so your point about that with Trump holds no water with me. Republicans learning from the Trump ascension? How? They will be returning to the pipeline of candidates that come up through the ranks (Rep, Sen, Gov) that whore themselves for special interest money. You want to pin your hope on the fact that they might change, when I see change right now. Good job though, gambling that a Hilary election won't risking flushing the whole country down the toilet on your hopes that things might change in the future. The backbone of the country is trying to make change happen right now. /golfclap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 You have to admit, my rationale is somewhat compelling. Oh... It is!!!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 /facepalm The President becomes the defacto face of the party he represents. If Trump becomes elected, whether you and others who feel as you do like it or not, Trump's brand of proto-fascist Nativist nationalism becomes what the Republican party represents; and will be what is campaigned against for the next 4-5 Presidential election cycles. You'll see a hyper-shift towards the extreme left in this country that will make Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama look right-center, as the "Trump Opposition Party" takes deep roots after he crashes and burns. By the time Republicans, if they even exist anymore, have a chance at the Oval Office; the country won't be recognizable anymore. The best thing that can possibly happen for the long and intermediate term future of our country is for Clinton to be elected, suffer a one term presidency rife with scandal and a likely recession, allowing for Republicans to learn from the Trump ascension, and become a party representative of the People. Good job, though, with your grand plan to flush the backbone of the country down the toilet for good. /golf clap Normally, you'd be right, but Trump hasn't ever been the face of the Republican Party, and they still hate him and won't work with him. The campaign four years from now will be that Trump was a one-off political freak of nature. As far as bi-partisan opposition, the Republicans will probably ask for Dems to walk back their progressive/liberal agenda in order to get bi-partisan support against Trump. That's a win in my book. And I get it, that means the Republicans can try to have it both ways, and if they were smart then this is the way they play things. And, to me, "conservatism" means having the idiots in Washington re-read and memorize the Constitution and live by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) I don't begrudge anyone sitting on their high horse because they vote for Johnson or whoever. Have at it. IMO there is also some moral high ground in not voting. I think both are long shots to happen or to be noticed. I can also claim moral high ground as a Clinton or Trump voter because there is so much moral low in the other candidate. To me, she is lower because of her actions in power. I have no doubt that if given the power, Trump can approach her level of filth, but it will take some doing. There is my .02. Coupled with my gas savings, I've got a nickel. I don't sit too high on the moral horse. I voted for Romney and Gore. But with this election, given these two despicable nominees, I can't see voting for a major party. They have completely failed. This isn't Obama vs Romney. This is Satan vs. Hades, I choose Willy Wonka. Edited October 12, 2016 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) The Democratic Party has been successfully campaigning against George W. Bush and neo-conservative policy for the past 12-16 years, and George W. Bush wasn't all that bad of a President. Trump is a proto-fascist. Trump is a Nativist. Trump is a nationalist. These are facts. This is not intended to shame, rather to inform. It will not be hard to campaign as the "anti-Trump opposition" once he begins to fail in office both domestically and on the international stage, which he will for multiple reasons which have been discussed here ad nauseam, and with his brand now tied directly to conservatism, the House and Senate will be lost, and "conservatism" will be rejected. Conversely, if Hillary Clinton wins she will be a one term President, and the death knell for the socialist state for several generations. Clinton would be being decimated in the polls by anyone with negatives better than Trump. She is scandal ridden, and that will persist. Obamacare will collapse around her, terror attacks will spike, and we will suffer another recession. 12 years of left leaning policy will be identified as the culprit, and actual conservatism will have the opportunity to have a re-birth in her wake. Edited October 12, 2016 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Conversely, if Hillary Clinton wins she will be a one term President, and the death knell for the socialist state for several generations. Wanna bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Wanna bet? Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Conversely, if Hillary Clinton wins she will be a one term President, and the death knell for the socialist state for several generations. Clinton would be being decimated in the polls by anyone with negatives better than Trump. She is scandal ridden, and that will persist. Obamacare will collapse around her, terror attacks will spike, and we will suffer another recession. 12 years of left leaning policy will be identified as the culprit, and actual conservatism will have the opportunity to have a re-birth in her wake. Well, we disagree again. Your statements about what would happen if Hillary wins (scandals, Healthcare) are right on point. but in todays world it simply will not matter. She will NEVER be a one term president.........that is fantasy...............(with the exception of dying in office) Those in power who are getting her elected now, will get her elected then. Opposition will be investigated and jailed. It sounds like an extreme statement......................but you know it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Well, we disagree again. Your statements about what would happen if Hillary wins (scandals, Healthcare) are right on point. but in todays world it simply will not matter. She will NEVER be a one term president.........that is fantasy...............(with the exception of dying in office) Those in power who are getting her elected now, will get her elected then. Opposition will be investigated and jailed. It sounds like an extreme statement......................but you know it isn't And after she's done...well, Chelsea will be 44, and will be "uniquely qualified" because she's been "in the White House" since she was 12, with a list of accomplishments to equal her mother's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Well, we disagree again. Your statements about what would happen if Hillary wins (scandals, Healthcare) are right on point. but in todays world it simply will not matter. She will NEVER be a one term president.........that is fantasy...............(with the exception of dying in office) Those in power who are getting her elected now, will get her elected then. Opposition will be investigated and jailed. It sounds like an extreme statement......................but you know it isn't I'll take your action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 The Democratic Party has been successfully campaigning against George W. Bush and neo-conservative policy for the past 12-16 years, and George W. Bush wasn't all that bad of a President. Trump is a proto-fascist. Trump is a Nativist. Trump is a nationalist. These are facts. This is not intended to shame, rather to inform. It will not be hard to campaign as the "anti-Trump opposition" once he begins to fail in office both domestically and on the international stage, which he will for multiple reasons which have been discussed here ad nauseam, and with his brand now tied directly to conservatism, the House and Senate will be lost, and "conservatism" will be rejected. Conversely, if Hillary Clinton wins she will be a one term President, and the death knell for the socialist state for several generations. Clinton would be being decimated in the polls by anyone with negatives better than Trump. She is scandal ridden, and that will persist. Obamacare will collapse around her, terror attacks will spike, and we will suffer another recession. 12 years of left leaning policy will be identified as the culprit, and actual conservatism will have the opportunity to have a re-birth in her wake. I disagree with a lot of this. --It is my opinion that Trump isn't a fascist, he's an extreme narcissist blowhard with a microphone. It isn't a "fact" that he is a fascist. --It is my opinion that Trump isn't a nativist, rather he is inarfully saying that he wants to put the interests of US citizens first. It isn't a "fact" that he's a nativist. --Trump may be a nationalist. That's kind of important for a US President. --The truth is, you don't know what Trump will do. You do know what Hillary will do. --You obviously have a different view than I do of what "conservatism" is. --It is my opinion that Hillary Clinton will solidify her socialist dreams in one term, or maybe two. Electing her will put a foot on the accelerator toward socialism. It will also lead us to a boots-on-the ground war in the middle east. --You'd rather elect Hillary with the knowledge that our populace will ride out a completely failed health care system and more terrorist attacks, and another deep recession over stopping her now and have the government try to instill conservatism (your definition or mine) four years earlier? That's your plan? I think we can agree that the choice between candidates is repugnant. We don't seem to agree on much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Conversely, if Hillary Clinton wins she will be a one term President, and the death knell for the socialist state for several generations. Clinton would be being decimated in the polls by anyone with negatives better than Trump. She is scandal ridden, and that will persist. Obamacare will collapse around her, terror attacks will spike, and we will suffer another recession. 12 years of left leaning policy will be identified as the culprit, and actual conservatism will have the opportunity to have a re-birth in her wake. I think you under estimate the durability of liberalism. As long as we have a majority of clueless voters willing to sell their vote for a few hundred $ or for a social issue, a complicit media ready willing and able to push a leftist agenda and a republican party that fails to educate voters and act in a very responsible way - the left can and will endure IMO. Yeah the left will !@#$ up and lose some elections along the way but they rally well as soon as the right !@#$s up and they do !@#$ up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Sure. I for one hope you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I for one hope you win. What's the wager? I disagree with a lot of this. --It is my opinion that Trump isn't a fascist, he's an extreme narcissist blowhard with a microphone. It isn't a "fact" that he is a fascist. --It is my opinion that Trump isn't a nativist, rather he is inarfully saying that he wants to put the interests of US citizens first. It isn't a "fact" that he's a nativist. --Trump may be a nationalist. That's kind of important for a US President. --The truth is, you don't know what Trump will do. You do know what Hillary will do. --You obviously have a different view than I do of what "conservatism" is. --It is my opinion that Hillary Clinton will solidify her socialist dreams in one term, or maybe two. Electing her will put a foot on the accelerator toward socialism. It will also lead us to a boots-on-the ground war in the middle east. --You'd rather elect Hillary with the knowledge that our populace will ride out a completely failed health care system and more terrorist attacks, and another deep recession over stopping her now and have the government try to instill conservatism (your definition or mine) four years earlier? That's your plan? I think we can agree that the choice between candidates is repugnant. We don't seem to agree on much else. It is America after all, so I suppose you're free to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 What's the wager? I feel like I'm betting on the favorite so you should get to set the stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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