NickelCity Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Is it really even a "given" that Rivers will kick Lawson to the curb? I hope not...and don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Is it really even a "given" that Rivers will kick Lawson to the curb? if play on the field has anything to do with it, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I was a little surprised they decided to sign Rivers and start him over Lawson. It sounds like Lawson will be moving into a passing situation role I know he is a bit light but can't help but wonder with his height and long arms if he doesn't end up at DE opposite Mario Edited March 16, 2014 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Makes you wonder in a 4-3 who plays DE opposite of Mario. KW isn't built that way and doesn't have the speed. Branch is not a DE IN A 4-3. He's a good second line DT. I don't know if Lawson has strength and speed to play DE. Makes me think we take a pass rusher in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Makes you wonder in a 4-3 who plays DE opposite of Mario. KW isn't built that way and doesn't have the speed. Branch is not a DE IN A 4-3. He's a good second line DT. I don't know if Lawson has strength and speed to play DE. Makes me think we take a pass rusher in the second round. Lawson definitely has the strength and speed. But he's only 240#. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 well its a Mike Rodak report which means skip it or just skip it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I was a little surprised they decided to sign Rivers and start him over Lawson. Its sounds like Lawson will be moving into a passing situation role I know he is a bit light but can't help but wonder with his height and long arms if he doesn't end up at DE opposite Mario Got this off Twitter. Lawson's projected as the backup Base 4-3 RDE opposite Mario, and the backup SLB in the same scheme. When they go 3-3-5 pass defense, he's the DE. IMHO Bills will look for a 3-4 or 3-3-5 DE who is also a good DE43 in the draft. To me, that's Kareem Martin RD3 or 4. Edited March 16, 2014 by Astrobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) One thing that has been misunderstood around here is that in a 4-3 defense there is room for a smaller quicker DE and Hughes can fit that bill. He's definitely a pass rusher first, but was wasn't just speed. He is capable of bull rushing a QB and that takes strength. He would be great in a wide 9 set as well. Hughes showed a lot last year and it wasn't just as a speed rusher. Edited March 17, 2014 by Spiderweb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Manny Lawson is better then Jerry Hughes at run protection. I am going to be curious which players wins out on the DE position for that reason. SLB may not matter if MWilliams is in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'd assume that Branch would still start at DE. If not, then Hughes, who has more bulk than Lawson. Lawson I'm keeping around if Rivers can't hack it at SLB, and if I had my druthers, would have start there anyway and make Rivers a backup. But I'm not the expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'd assume that Branch would still start at DE. If not, then Hughes, who has more bulk than Lawson. Lawson I'm keeping around if Rivers can't hack it at SLB, and if I had my druthers, would have start there anyway and make Rivers a backup. But I'm not the expert. if doing a wide 9 scheme, branch would be far from a fit. if doing any base 43 hes not a DE really. that he was extended before pettine left could make him another awkward fit potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 if doing a wide 9 scheme, branch would be far from a fit. if doing any base 43 hes not a DE really. that he was extended before pettine left could make him another awkward fit potentially. I don't think it's going to be a wide 9 scheme. But what they do with Branch and the DE opposite Mario is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I don't think it's going to be a wide 9 scheme. But what they do with Branch and the DE opposite Mario is anyone's guess. I fear they end up trying to re-do the entire process. Finding some sort of hybrid wide-9 system where we cannot use Branch and Lawson finds no position. Moving Branch to some inside sub-role at DT, and Lawson getting pushed around and aside to just find somewhere to put him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I fear they end up trying to re-do the entire process. Finding some sort of hybrid wide-9 system where we cannot use Branch and Lawson finds no position. Moving Branch to some inside sub-role at DT, and Lawson getting pushed around and aside to just find somewhere to put him. Again I think at-worst those 2 guys are fall backs in case Rivers can't hack it at SLB and they start Hughes opposite Mario. What I got from Schwartz' presser is that the "wide 9" was to address a particular problem in facing his divisional opponents and that it won't be more than a situational thing with the Bills. Again he has a blueprint for what was successful, but he still needs to improve the run defense, and hopefully moving Kiko out of MLB and Spikes in will accomplish a lot of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Manny should be starting over rivers. He can cover he can stop the run and he can rush the passer. He can do it all and has played 4-3 olb in cinci. He like kiko doesnt need to come off thr field in different situations like spikes has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 See that really is the issue that people seem to be missing......we did NOT RUN A 3-4 LAST YEAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Manny should be starting over rivers. He can cover he can stop the run and he can rush the passer. He can do it all and has played 4-3 olb in cinci. He like kiko doesnt need to come off thr field in different situations like spikes has to. I agree. I just hope they make SLB an open competition and may the best man win! See that really is the issue that people seem to be missing......we did NOT RUN A 3-4 LAST YEAR Yeah, I'm not sure where that came from. Every game started-off in a base 4-3 defense. They did use 3-4, as well as wide 9 and other schemes, but base they were 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 MD99 could line up at one end too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 See that really is the issue that people seem to be missing......we did NOT RUN A 3-4 LAST YEAR What play are you talking about? We ran almost every defense in the book last year Yeah, I'm not sure where that came from. Every game started-off in a base 4-3 defense. They did use 3-4, as well as wide 9 and other schemes, but base they were 4-3. There were a couple games toward the end of the year where we came out with a straight up 3-4 to start the game. But it never lasted very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 There were a couple games toward the end of the year where we came out with a straight up 3-4 to start the game. But it never lasted very long. According to the NFL gamebooks, the Bills started in a 4-3 in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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