NoSaint Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Correct me if I am wrung. Isn't the new CBA forbidding talks/contract/whatever until the start of a new league year for Franchise Tagged players? correction: he can negotiate with the bills from the close of the season (not the league year, the last game of last season) until free agency. bye bye Birdie he wants too much money..... $9 mil per season is ludicrous for a FS. if he was worth $9 mil per season teams would be lining up to trade for him... No teams stepped up last year and I don't see other teams lining up this year to pay Byrd what he is asking for we were allegedly offered trades of mid round picks. that contract AND a 1st rounder is a lot for a team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) correction: he can negotiate with the bills from the close of the season (not the league year, the last game of last season) until free agency. we were allegedly offered trades of mid round picks. that contract AND a 1st rounder is a lot for a team though. Help me to understand that. If a player is THAT good AND you are willing to pay him top dollar, why is the 1st round pick such an exhorbitant cost on top of it? Does it depend on where that pick falls in the draft? Would it be more reasonable for say, Denver to throw in a first because it's a late pick in the round vs. the Redskins? And is a high 1st gonna be a guaranteed All Pro player anyway? GO BILLS!!! Edited February 14, 2014 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Help me to understand that. If a player is THAT good AND you are willing to pay him top dollar, why is the 1st round pick such an exhorbitant cost on top of it? Does it depend on where that pick falls in the draft? Would it be more reasonable for say, Denver to throw in a first because it's a late pick in the round vs. the Redskins? And is a high 1st gonna be a guaranteed All Pro player anyway? GO BILLS!!! because you could sign someone nearly as good AND add a first round talent at the same overall cost? IE TJ Ward in free agency plus a first round player may be more appealing than simply byrd, but TJ Ward and a 4th rounder added to your roster you may as well go get the better player in byrd, as an example? i feel like i must be misunderstanding your question, as the answer seems obvious, and hard to debate. to take it to the next step... We allegedly got offers for trades last year that we turned down. Some team out there would seemingly be willing to give him a contract and give up a mid round pick, but not a high round pick. i wont assert its fully accurate but if those teams thought they were going to be able to sign him, then byrd must be asking for just about the upper limit of what any team would be willing to give up contractually, as they wouldnt want to commit much more in resources, but would be willing to make the move possibly... the jump (and an admitted jump) being that parker has probably priced his contract pretty perfectly at the top edge of what hed get in free agency, or market value, since a team would potentially be willing to do the dollars, but not dollars plus a high pick. Edited February 14, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I have posted it before on here but I was told that Minnesota's 4th was the best offer that the Bills received for Byrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 maybe tag and trade him for an RT (Eagles have great OL and terrible safeties....) freeing us up to take a pass catcher in round one and a guard or safety in rd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) What about using Byrd to move up as an option? Byrd and 9 to St. Louis as an example? If they are looking OT they may be able to get something like Byrd, Matthews and still have another 1st in the draft. The Bills could get to 2 and take Watkins if they like him as much as Buddy Nixon says. It's just a thought... Edited February 14, 2014 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Maybe they can trade him for a fourth round draft pick and then watch him play for the winning team in the Super Bowl. Oh Please that kind of stuff never happens..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 some of you are real weirdos. arguably the bills best defensive player and you guys wanna run him out of town for wanting to be paid what he's worth... seriously some insane rational going on around here. i love the if he doesn't wanna play here lets trade the TYRD guys. no one wants to play in buffalo if you can play in a warm weather city or place with a winning tradition. not to mention the tax issues bills players pay for being the only actual NY team. guys wanna be in the NFL but news flash to you guys...BUFFALO is not a place young pro athletes wanna play. anyway the bills should do what needs to be done to retain byrd. let me guess, your in your late 20s and moved from Buffalo after high school and haven't come back beside the occasional fantasy football draft, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and 1 Bills game a year in September. Amiright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 some of you are real weirdos. arguably the bills best defensive player and you guys wanna run him out of town for wanting to be paid what he's worth... seriously some insane rational going on around here. i love the if he doesn't wanna play here lets trade the TYRD guys. no one wants to play in buffalo if you can play in a warm weather city or place with a winning tradition. not to mention the tax issues bills players pay for being the only actual NY team. guys wanna be in the NFL but news flash to you guys...BUFFALO is not a place young pro athletes wanna play. anyway the bills should do what needs to be done to retain byrd. Mario Williams wanted to play here... so what are you resting on now? Paying what he is worth? For us, playing a safety that money is counterproductive and hurts our progress in other areas. Tax bills? I'm sure that Thurman and Jimbo would argue the taxes aren't that big of a deal if you get an NFL salary. Give me a break. Overpaying for a safety is just a bad move, considering who we could get with that money. Our coach isn't Dick Jauron, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 some of you are real weirdos. arguably the bills best defensive player and you guys wanna run him out of town for wanting to be paid what he's worth... seriously some insane rational going on around here. i love the if he doesn't wanna play here lets trade the TYRD guys. no one wants to play in buffalo if you can play in a warm weather city or place with a winning tradition. not to mention the tax issues bills players pay for being the only actual NY team. guys wanna be in the NFL but news flash to you guys...BUFFALO is not a place young pro athletes wanna play. anyway the bills should do what needs to be done to retain byrd. Completely agree. Just see too many obstacles. He probably wants to leave. Other teams will pay more. His agent and the Bills don't have a great history together. You can't blame the player for wanting to explore his options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The chances of Byrd being in Buffalo next year are about zero. He's a jerk, his agent is a bigger jerk and if the Bills franchise him again he'll play less than he did this year due to attitude. That and 10 other teams will want him. That and it's not cool to play in Buffalo. I'd love to be wrong about all of this. I love that you're in fact keeping the faith, I've never heard him say he doesn't like Buffalo, but maybe he does...what about the transition tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowabillsfan4life Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) What about Byrd and our 2nd for Sue? There was a article about how he was making too much and could be a trade possibility? Maybe he follows Swartz and restructures his contract only to realize that this could be the best defensive line in history. Williams Williams Sue Dareus=72 sacks Edited February 15, 2014 by Iowabillsfan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) I don't understand your point here. Are you referring to the over usage of the qualifier "franchise" when describing a player's value to his team? You are arguing semantics. Okay, so what would you call a player who is very clearly one of the best at his position? I'm okay with however you want to describe Byrd, but my main point remains the same. His trade value on the open market is far greater (IMO) than many folks on here would admit to. Especially given this weak safety class, and the high demand for quality players at the position. Yes. Safety isn't a "franchise" position. He may be "franchised".... Anyway. no matter what you call him, his trade value is not likely a 1st round pick. some of you are real weirdos. arguably the bills best defensive player and you guys wanna run him out of town for wanting to be paid what he's worth... seriously some insane rational going on around here. i love the if he doesn't wanna play here lets trade the TYRD guys. no one wants to play in buffalo if you can play in a warm weather city or place with a winning tradition. not to mention the tax issues bills players pay for being the only actual NY team. guys wanna be in the NFL but news flash to you guys...BUFFALO is not a place young pro athletes wanna play. anyway the bills should do what needs to be done to retain byrd. I would argue that he's not the best player on the D. I would give that to Mario or even Kiko--who has been a huge impact player and he's just learning the game. Byrd is good as he is going get. So if Byrd said it's gonna cost $100 million to keep him in Buffalo, you say "pay it"? Also, the guys playing in New Jersey are paying about the same state taxes as the Bills--and Bills players only pay NYS taxes on the 7 home games. Edited February 15, 2014 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nix Buddy Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 The chances of Byrd being in Buffalo next year are about zero. He's a jerk, his agent is a bigger jerk and if the Bills franchise him again he'll play less than he did this year due to attitude. That and 10 other teams will want him. That and it's not cool to play in Buffalo. I'd love to be wrong about all of this. My cousin's father's good friend from high school is friends with Byrd's sister's father's son, and he told me that Byrd is interested in staying in Buffalo now that he heard we're getting a new stadium on the waterfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Seeing as Jimmy Graham gets a tag based on where he lined up for 51% of his snaps, does Byrd get the same treatment? Can we tag him as a bench player/ backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 What about Byrd and our 2nd for Sue? There was a article about how he was making too much and could be a trade possibility? Maybe he follows Swartz and restructures his contract only to realize that this could be the best defensive line in history. Williams Williams Sue Dareus=72 sacks except you would have 3 DTs on the same line. When only one of them is actually a good DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowabillsfan4life Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 except you would have 3 DTs on the same line. When only one of them is actually a good DT Only one would be good? Explain to me which one was not in the Pro Bowl last year? Well Dareus could move to DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Only one would be good? Explain to me which one was not in the Pro Bowl last year? Well Dareus could move to DE your pretty new around here so you probably don't understand my dislike for Kyle Williams. He's a good player, but not a good DT. IMO, even in the most "Tampa 2ish" defense possible where the DT is supposed to pressure the QB he's still supposed to be able to stop the run. I'll hold right into the fact that we have had some of the worst run defenses in the NFL in years and he's the only constant on that defensive line. I don't know how to differentiate between players who's assignments are whose and what not because I don't know defensive linemen that well. But one thing I do know is that a DT is there to take up blockers and clog the running lanes and our running defense is horrible and he's a constant. It I would not knock that trade or defensive line. Personally, I'd move Kyle to LE, Mario to RE, and have Dareus and Suh in at DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowabillsfan4life Posted February 15, 2014 Author Share Posted February 15, 2014 your pretty new around here so you probably don't understand my dislike for Kyle Williams. He's a good player, but not a good DT. IMO, even in the most "Tampa 2ish" defense possible where the DT is supposed to pressure the QB he's still supposed to be able to stop the run. I'll hold right into the fact that we have had some of the worst run defenses in the NFL in years and he's the only constant on that defensive line. I don't know how to differentiate between players who's assignments are whose and what not because I don't know defensive linemen that well. But one thing I do know is that a DT is there to take up blockers and clog the running lanes and our running defense is horrible and he's a constant. It I would not knock that trade or defensive line. Personally, I'd move Kyle to LE, Mario to RE, and have Dareus and Suh in at DT. I agree Kyle would be a better fit at DE. Man we wouldn't have to blitz hardly 20% of snaps. Does that trade value seem out of reach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I agree Kyle would be a better fit at DE. Man we wouldn't have to blitz hardly 20% of snaps. Does that trade value seem out of reach? no idea. Probably depends in how much of a malcontent Suh is in Detroit and if they need to move him or he becomes a problem. Either way, although I'd love it if it happened, I don't see it happening. Blockbuster trades like this don't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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