B-Man Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Some poor posters here just insist on embarrassing themselves over and over............ From a rather famous Harvard Law professor, and apparently a "secret" right-winger..............lol Alan Dershowitz voices his opinion of IRS employee's Fifth ... In Dershowitz’s legal opinion, her brief statement of innocence has opened a “legal Pandora's Box. You can't simply make statements about a subject and then plead the Fifth in response to questions about the very same subject. Once you open the door to an area of inquiry, you have waived your Fifth Amendment right; you've waived your self-incrimination right on that subject matter." The renowned Harvard Professor added the legal opinion that making such a proclamation could be considered malpractice on the part of her attorney. However, she could later say she had overruled the advice she received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I get that some are Democrats and are very loyal to their team, but to look objectively at the whole IRS story objectively and still believe that there was no coordinated political effort to target conservative groups is to be in total denial of reality. Every once in a while you have to be big enough to admit when your "team" sucks. The "team" in control of the White House and the Senate is really sucking on many issues. Hey, even Dubya had his supporters near the end of his term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 IRS SCANDAL UPDATE: Republicans Step Up Probe into IRS Targeting Scandal. House committees continued their probe this week into the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) targeting scandal in which conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status were subjected to extra scrutiny. Cleta Mitchell, an attorney who represents the Texas-based group True the Vote, told a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee Thursday that the IRS targeting is very “real” “The IRS, at the direction of some political elites in Washington – not in Cincinnati, but Washington – took what had been for decades a process of reviewing applications for exempt status that for a 501©(4) organization could be expected to take three to four weeks,” Mitchell said. “And they converted that process into one that took three to four years and, in some cases, is still not over.” True the Vote filed its application for tax-exempt status in 2010 and did not receive it until after the group sued the IRS. Mitchell said the first time she became aware of the targeting was in October 2009 when she filed an application for another group, and did not hear from the IRS until June 2010. She said when the IRS got back to them it was not Cincinnati, but the Washington office. “That group did one thing. It lobbied against Obamacare in the fall of 2009, in the spring of 2010, something that a 501©(4) organization is permitted to spend 100 percent of its program expenditures doing. We did not get the tax-exempt status for that organization until July of 2013,” Mitchell said. In a Sunday interview with Fox News, President Obama said the IRS targeting controversy was a result of “bone-headed decisions” in the agency’s Cincinnati office and did not involve “a smidgen of corruption.” Yeah, that’s basically a straight-up lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Yeah, that’s basically a straight-up lie. Obama would never lie about something so serious as blatant corruption and the targeting of political enemies. Or transparency. Or signature legislation. Or foreign policy. Or the murder of an Ambassador. Or... If you like your clean government, you can keep your clean government. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Some poor posters here just insist on embarrassing themselves over and over............ Unlike progressives, I'm no fan of bad behavior justifying bad behavior, but I wouldn't mind making a bag of popcorn and watching progressives if the next Republican president were to take away Media Matters non-profit status. I'm certain they would suddenly have a change or heart about the IRS targeting conservative groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Remind me again please why Richard Nixon was going to be impeached? B.O. wants to be compared to him, evidently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Ya ya, more "I bet" and "there will be" nonsense. Who are the victims here? How were they injured? Watch this, in full, because it answers both your questions in full: http://www.realclear...ntimidated.html That's what a real American looks like. There's no leftist caricature here. She shames those who would espouse one, by merely existing. That woman honestly inspires me, all my usual PPP crap aside. I couldn't be more proud to be from the same country as her, because she is so real, and has so much integrity and class. I'm sure I could learn a lot from her. Did you learn anything? Did you learn who the TEA party really is? She's who the TEA party really is. She refuses to be a victim. You cherish victimhood, and are trying to instantiate it everywhere you can. She's heroic. You're pathetic. On the upside, the news coming out everyday...from job numbers to economic downturn to Obamacare failures...is so consistently bad for this WH and progressives in general, that it has has essentially knob-gobblers like you to do nothing more than hang around the IRS thread referring to right wing echo chambers. See, this is what bothers me a little. gatormans have been clinging to all sorts of lies, for so long, I'm not sure where they go from here. In a sense, it may be better for all if they are allowed to keep 1 or 2 of them. You know, to have something "cool" to say at Starbucks. A security blanket of sorts. If all their lies come crashing down at the same time, we may have problems with these people. They are psychologically committed to these lies. Not sure I want so many people having all their delusions ripped from them all at the same time. Unlike progressives, I'm no fan of bad behavior justifying bad behavior, but I wouldn't mind making a bag of popcorn and watching progressives if the next Republican president were to take away Media Matters non-profit status. I'm certain they would suddenly have a change or heart about the IRS targeting conservative groups. And this is the other sides of things: if you carry that logic forward, what's to stop a Republican POTUS from doing, anything? He's got a precedent, set by Obama, that says he can nullify law, and issue fiats at will. He's got 4 years, and overreach is a problem. Who or what is to stop him? Maybe I'm just being paranoid. But, you put this and the above together? That's trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'm certain they would suddenly have a change or heart about the IRS targeting conservative groups. No they wouldn't. They'd just make up some mendacious excuse about why it's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It's come to this: Dems Trying To Blame IRS Inspector General For Targeting Scandal. “The Obama administration has well documented problems with assertive inspector generals, so this kind of push back is to be expected from Hill Democrats. It’s an attempt to smear the IRS inspector general and only shows how desperate the Democrats have become. It’s a hail mary pass that is going to fall incomplete in the end zone.” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Some poor posters here just insist on embarrassing themselves over and over............ From a rather famous Harvard Law professor, and apparently a "secret" right-winger..............lol Alan Dershowitz voices his opinion of IRS employee's Fifth ... In Dershowitz’s legal opinion, her brief statement of innocence has opened a “legal Pandora's Box. You can't simply make statements about a subject and then plead the Fifth in response to questions about the very same subject. Once you open the door to an area of inquiry, you have your self-incrimination right on that subject matter." The renowned Harvard Professor added the legal opinion that making such a proclamation could be considered malpractice on the part of her attorney. However, she could later say she had overruled the advice she received. That's his legal opinion, obviously not everyone agrees with Mr Derschowitz. And if what they did was illegal why didn't they force them to answer questions further? Of that's right, you can't force people to say anything. This is still the united states of America. Dersowitz hates the Obama administration because he hasn't bent over backwards for Isreal, he is hardly an unbiased source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It's come to this: Dems Trying To Blame IRS Inspector General For Targeting Scandal. “The Obama administration has well documented problems with assertive inspector generals, so this kind of push back is to be expected from Hill Democrats. It’s an attempt to smear the IRS inspector general and only shows how desperate the Democrats have become. It’s a hail mary pass that is going to fall incomplete in the end zone.” Why didn't you just post the original story from the Hill instead of filtering through that wacky right wing nut job's site? The Hill shows how this was a right wing hit job, run by right wingers to stir up a fake controversy. Rep Issa was tell the IG what to do?? Ya, that sounds fair! Democrats cut out from meeting while House GOP leaders ran the boondoggle. Wow, that's pretty corrupt. I hope they get that in front of a judge and charge these people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Why didn't you just post the original story from the Hill instead of filtering through that wacky right wing nut job's site? The Hill shows how this was a right wing hit job, run by right wingers to stir up a fake controversy. Rep Issa was tell the IG what to do?? Ya, that sounds fair! Democrats cut out from meeting while House GOP leaders ran the boondoggle. Wow, that's pretty corrupt. I hope they get that in front of a judge and charge these people You can tell a lot about a person by the incompetence they thrive to embrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Why didn't you just post the original story from the Hill instead of filtering through that wacky right wing nut job's site? The Hill shows how this was a right wing hit job, run by right wingers to stir up a fake controversy. Rep Issa was tell the IG what to do?? Ya, that sounds fair! Democrats cut out from meeting while House GOP leaders ran the boondoggle. Wow, that's pretty corrupt. I hope they get that in front of a judge and charge these people No, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 That's his legal opinion, obviously not everyone agrees with Mr Derschowitz. And if what they did was illegal why didn't they force them to answer questions further? Of that's right, you can't force people to say anything. This is still the united states of America. Dersowitz hates the Obama administration because he hasn't bent over backwards for Isreal, he is hardly an unbiased source Isn't it obvious that she hasn't been charged with Contemp of Congress for a reason. She is in the process of becoming a witness and is negotiating immunity. See where this story might go: http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/did-a-former-white-house-counsel-do-it/ He begins by noting, “Robert Bauer had the motive to direct IRS policy against tea-party groups. He is a longtime opponent of First Amendment freedoms and an advocate of government-speech regulation. He also can’t stand the work the tea party is conducting to monitor and eradicate voter fraud.” Adams says just two months after Bauer became White House counsel, the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United vs. FEC caused the Obama camp to fear “the decision might cost them the White House. President Obama boorishly (and inaccurately) addressed the decision in the 2010 State of the Union.” As for the means, “Remember, Bauer served as White House counsel from November 2009 to June 2011, right during the time this IRS shakedown was hatched.” Adams said that is particularly important because, “[T]he White House counsel enjoys a position of power like few others. They can make things happen with a phone call. One former West Wing staffer told me that ‘any department’s staff who received directions from Bauer would think they were getting directions from the president. The White House counsel has the power to make policy with a phone call.’” Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/did-a-former-white-house-counsel-do-it/#yox2V9JGY3MEcCV4.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Oh, that poor "victim" Katherine Englebrech, lol http://www.texasobserver.org/the-queen-of-king-street/ Love the part where they doctored video to make it look like black people wanted to vote more than once. She's real credible. Reminds me of She Nazi You guys are down to posting pj and WND puke? Really? That's pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 You guys are down to posting pj and WND puke? Really? That's pretty bad And the Washington Times. Don't forget the Moonies. Not that you're one to talk, though. The Texas Observer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Congressmen Ask Holder If Obama Is Receiving Updates on IRS Probe IRS Scandal: Obama Says ‘Not A Smidgen of Corruption,’ Congress And Victims Say ‘Really?’ Questions from Representative Jordan to make a simple but effective point. “Ms. Engelbrecht,” Jordan said, “in the first 20 years of business, did OSHA ever visit your place of business?” “No sir,” she responded. “Never once?” “No sir.” “After you filed the [tax-exempt application for King Street Patriots], OSHA visited then, right?” “Yes sir.” “In the first 20 years of business did the [bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] ever come to your business?” Jordan continued. “No sir.” “And they came a couple times once you filed your application?” “Yes sir.” “And in your first 20 years of business, did the IRS ever audit you?” “No sir.” “But once you filed your application, they audited you?” “Many times.” “And in your first 20 years of business, did the FBI ever visit you?” “No sir.” “But once you filed your application, did they visit you?” “Six times.” Rep. Jordan made his final point: “Congressman Connolly (D) wants us to believes that’s all a coincidence.” Unamused with Jordan’s line of questioning, an agitated Connolly shot back, insisting that he’s merely looking for evidence of the scrutiny being politically motivated. “You can believe it’s all a coincidence,” Jordan said. “I refuse to do so.” http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4483647 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Congressmen Ask Holder If Obama Is Receiving Updates on IRS Probe IRS Scandal: Obama Says ‘Not A Smidgen of Corruption,’ Congress And Victims Say ‘Really?’ http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4483647 Were there any doctored photos this time? Can't believe a thing these liars are saying http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/right-wing-voter-suppression-effort-caught-using-doctored-photo-video-photos/question-1195001/?page=2&link=ibaf&q=katherine+engelbrecht+doctored+photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 On a side note, if Clinton were still in office, what do you think he would have done to that woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 On a side note, if Clinton were still in office, what do you think he would have done to that woman? Gone through a box of cigars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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