Tiberius Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 But "they don't have the cash" is a ridiculously relative term. Do they not have cash because they're poor or because they spend their money on the wrong things? How poor are they? What state do they live in? Do they qualify for Medicaid? What hospital is near them and what plan does their hospital have? Saying you're going to destroy health care for millions of people when you can't even answer these very, very simple questions means you are not serious about the topic. Get serious, would you? Stop looking for blame and start looking for answers. Or are you incapable of that? I am serious, lots of people can't afford health care on their own for many many reasons. Obamacare helped solve some of that problem. Now the GOP wants to take it away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 No, silly. The GOP wants to kill all Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I am serious, lots of people can't afford health care on their own for many many reasons. Obamacare helped solve some of that problem. Now the GOP wants to take it away Please explain how the GOP plans to take healthcare away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 What if they can't afford the massive deductibles of their ACA plan? And I'm still waiting for your details on the pre and post ACA evil Yes, I agree with this Republican criticism and I hope Trump Care addresses this and makes it easier for them and expands care to everyone like he said Please explain how the GOP plans to take healthcare away. Its called repeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Its called repeal I see. So next question. Who's calling for its repeal chicken little? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I see. So next question. Who's calling for its repeal chicken little? You tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) I am serious, lots of people can't afford health care on their own for many many reasons. Obamacare helped solve some of that problem. Now the GOP wants to take it away People can afford health care. That is the biggest lie of them all. What people can't afford is insurance. And, many also can't afford a monthly premium, when they get no utility from it. Or, they can't afford a premium every month of the year(seasonal employees). A premium is dead cash going out. You pay it, and never see any benefit if you don't use the service. Let's understand something: health insurance ONLY exists because it was a necessary evil when we were fighting WW2, and we needed ship builders to be as healthy as possible, and not distracted by health concerns. After WW2 it became a way of paying employees more $, without having to pay more payroll tax. (ALL benefits are done for the same reason.) There is a decades long direct relationship between liberal idiots tirelessly increasing payroll/corporate taxes, and, companies converting payroll cash into benefits instead, and treating them as a way to increase expenses, thereby lowering profits, thereby lowering corporate tax liability. Tiny little insurance companies suddenly became massive entities as a result, with all the power of lobbyists etc. Bottom Line: Your own idiot ideology created the massive insurance companies you hate, and gave them all the power you say they shouldn't have, which comes from all the $ that has been diverted to them to avoid your punitive tax code. In response, your idiot ideology created massive government bureaucracies to try and manage/regulate the massive insurance companies you created. But, a simple GP doctor can charge a patient $40 dollars for a check-up every six months, and, if necessary, a one-time $50 for a number of minor treatments, like it was before WW2($40 today is adjusted from the $5 back then), and 99% of our population can afford that. So, get a clue. The D party has "owned" the health INSURANCE mess since FDR began it in 1942. None of that has anything to do with health care, which is affordable, and which is accessible, IF the government would get out of the way. Currently a private practice doctor spend more $ complying with Obamacare...than he does on medical supplies. You and your idiot pals need to answer for that state of affairs, BEFORE you get to say anything else to anybody about health care. Edited January 12, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 People can afford health care. That is the biggest lie of them all. What people can't afford is insurance. And, many also can't afford a monthly premium, when they get no utility from it. Or, they can't afford a premium every month of the year(seasonal employees). A premium is dead cash going out. You pay it, and never see any benefit if you don't use the service. Let's understand something: health insurance ONLY exists because it was a necessary evil when we were fighting WW2, and we needed ship builders to be as healthy as possible, and not distracted by health concerns. After WW2 it became a way of paying employees more $, without having to pay more payroll tax. (ALL benefits are done for the same reason.) There is a decades long direct relationship between liberal idiots tirelessly increasing payroll/corporate taxes, and, companies converting payroll cash into benefits instead, and treating them as a way to increase expenses, thereby lowering profits, thereby lowering corporate tax liability. Tiny little insurance companies suddenly became massive entities as a result, with all the power of lobbyists etc. Bottom Line: Your own idiot ideology created the massive insurance companies you hate, and gave them all the power you say they shouldn't have, which comes from all the $ that has been diverted to them to avoid your punitive tax code. In response, your idiot ideology created massive government bureaucracies to try and manage/regulate the massive insurance companies you created. But, a simple GP doctor can charge a patient $40 dollars for a check-up every six months, and, if necessary, a one-time $50 for a number of minor treatments, like it was before WW2($40 today is adjusted from the $5 back then), and 99% of our population can afford that. So, get a clue. The D party has "owned" the health INSURANCE mess since FDR began it in 1942. None of that has anything to do with health care, which is affordable, and which is accessible, IF the government would get out of the way. Currently a private practice doctor spend more $ complying with Obamacare...than he does on medical supplies. You and your idiot pals need to answer for that state of affairs, BEFORE you get to say anything else to anybody about health care. Horse sh** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Horse sh** Yeah, that's all you got. Everything above is 100% true, and I can prove it. Moreover, you can google most of it. Look up Kaiser Shipyards and Dr. Permanente. It's all there. The problem is you can't answer for any of it, because there is no excuse for any of it. Like I said the D party doesn't just own Obaamcare, they own BIG health insurance, and BIG government reaction to it. Absolutely none of this is necessary. There's a doctor in NYS right now, and I can't say his name because it will get him in trouble with Cuomo, who is literally running his practice like I said above. Actually the word is that there are upwards of 40 docs doing this. It's like a secret society. They refer patients to each other. Who knows, your idiocy may end up spawning a new form of Masonry, just like the original was formed to combat the old, idiot, despotic kings. We'll see. Since the current despotic would-be king only has a few days left, maybe it doesn't happen? One thing Democrats never seem to learn? Markets always find a way. Edited January 12, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 So all this could have been avoided if we had Universal Health Care from the beginning, cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 So all this could have been avoided if we had Universal Health Care from the beginning, cool [This is an automated response.] Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Did you go outside today? Ya right! [This is an automated response.] You're not trying to make a point, you're just a jerk. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 OBAMACARE NEAR DEATH... US Senate passes measure to take first step in dismantling Obamacare Original Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 OBAMACARE NEAR DEATH... US Senate passes measure to take first step in dismantling Obamacare Original Article Lol, go for it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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