B-Man Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Obamacare: Costs Go Up, Insurers Drop Out and Consumers Get Screwed Fiscal Times, by Edward Morrissey Original Article Remember the now-infamous promise made by President Barack Obama when pushing the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare? “If you like your plan,” the president repeated on dozens of occasions, “you can keep your plan.” When millions of Americans got thrown off of their existing health-insurance plans in the fall of 2013, PolitiFact called it the Lie of the Year. Obama ended up apologizing for the lie in an interview with NBC News’ Chuck Todd in November 2013, even if he couldn’t quite bring himself to admit that it was a lie. “We weren’t as clear as we needed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Edited May 13, 2016 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Beyond the fact that he is, without a doubt, the biggest fraud to ever be president, it's frightening what a toll pretending to be a leader has taken on him physically. Look at those videos from his first year in office, and look at him now. It's like looking at those before/after photos you see of meth addicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 "Doctors who got money from drug and device makers—even just a meal– prescribed a higher percentage of brand-name drugs overall than doctors who didn’t, our analysis showed." Doesn't that suggest something to you? So Doctors can be bought for a burger. The only way Doctors get paid by Pharmas is to do clinical trials or other research. MDs get compensated for enrolling and TREATING patients with disease. Often times the patient receives some compensation too, e.g., travel expense in ADDITION to receiving FREE TREATMENT and medical monitoring for the length of the trial - and often for years following the close of the trial. So, let's pretend that you are a Dr. and have been bought and paid for in the above scenario by the evil drug companies. You've conducted a trial and enlisted 20 patients and TREATED them with the DRUG for FREE that the evil drug company supplied you. And, that you've been given $250 per patient you enrolled. You've been bought for $5,000 according to this article. You've monitored these 20 patients for a period of two years and have seen the progression of their disease arrested and perhaps reversed. What would you do for other patients who come to your practice that present with the same disease? Ah, ah, ah Dr. Reddogblitz, don't you dare say you'd write them a script for the medicine that you have a history of successfully treating other patients with. No, you MUST stick to your ethical guns and write them a script for some other medicine just to prove you weren't bought for a burger. Nice hypthitical Dr. Banker. That's not what is/was happening in most cases. Does he also say the average family will save $2500 per year. That's my favorite part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Nice hypthitical Dr. Banker. That's not what is/was happening in most cases. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Totally shameful: http://youtu.be/yjXWxa2bScU Nice hypthitical Dr. Banker. That's not what is/was happening in most cases. bull ****. Prove it. Exactly. He can't. Because what I posted was what is going on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Totally shameful: http://youtu.be/yjXWxa2bScU bull ****. Exactly. He can't. Because what I posted was what is going on now. Can you provide any links or anything backing that up? Besides you just saying so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Can you provide any links or anything backing that up? Besides you just saying so? Sure. They get paid to do research. They're not being bought. They're scientists looking to help cure diseases that impact the human condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Here's the Department of Health and Human Services OIG Compliance Program Guidance for Pharma Manufacturers. It establishes the boundaries that they have to comply with wrt payment for services and "gifts". Most Pharmas now won't even give away a pen or an empty coffee cup. I was able to find one company's documentation of their internal compliance program. No doubt you'll read it and see what pernicious people are behind this scam. Here's a riveting study of how the OIG's final stand was crafted - including juicy bits of push-back from the AMA and PhRMA that no doubt you'll revel in. And for the record, I am not an employee of a pharmaceutical manufacturer, but I do have friends that are. Edited May 15, 2016 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg F Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Does he also say the average family will save $2500 per year. That's my favorite part. Wouldn't want you to miss out on your favorite part. You would have to be living under a rock to not know Obama said this multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 They should post a map showing how many lives Obamacare has saved by county, like they did for the Porkulus bill and jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Prove it. touché Wouldn't want you to miss out on your favorite part. You would have to be living under a rock to not know Obama said this multiple times.http://youtu.be/_o65vMUk5so Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 What would happen to insurance companies under a single payer system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 What would happen to insurance companies under a single payer system? They would be featured in many books that talk about the good 'ole days of the 80's and 90's when health insurance was inexpensive, not mandated or so heavily regulated and was truly a benefit offered by most employers that employees could choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Believing In Big Government Doesn't Work Out So Well When You Need A Colonoscopy Hope and change. You'd better hope some doctor will get a fever and change his mind about not taking Obamacare. In The New York Times, Elizabeth Rosenthal writes about a bunch of Manhattan women -- Obama and "Affordable" "Care" Act supporters -- who can't get doctors appointments: AMY MOSES and her circle of self-employed small-business owners were supporters of President Obama and the Affordable Care Act. They bought policies on the newly created New York State exchange. But when they called doctors and hospitals in Manhattan to schedule appointments, they were dismayed to be turned away again and again with a common refrain: "We don't take Obamacare," the umbrella epithet for the hundreds of plans offered through the president's signature health legislation. "Anyone who is on these plans knows it's a two-tiered system," said Ms. Moses, describing the emotional sting of those words to a successful entrepreneur. "Anytime one of us needs a doctor," she continued, "we send out an alert: 'Does anyone have anyone on an exchange plan that does mammography or colonoscopy? Who takes our insurance?' It's really a problem." So, Mrs. Moses, who "previously had insurance," but had her old plan cut by our "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" President, now still has insurance; she just can't find any doctors who take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 They would be featured in many books that talk about the good 'ole days of the 80's and 90's when health insurance was inexpensive, not mandated or so heavily regulated and was truly a benefit offered by most employers that employees could choose. Ya right, the health care system was, and is, a mess for a whole lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ya right, the health care system was, and is, a mess for a whole lot of people. And the solution to that is: let the government take care of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 And the solution to that is: let the government take care of it? Actually I was asking a question. You need to settle down. You are such an excitable, jealous person that it hurts genuine discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Actually I was asking a question. You need to settle down. You are such an excitable, jealous person that it hurts genuine discussion No, you made a statement and DC Tom asked a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Believing In Big Government Doesn't Work Out So Well When You Need A Colonoscopy Hope and change. You'd better hope some doctor will get a fever and change his mind about not taking Obamacare. In The New York Times, Elizabeth Rosenthal writes about a bunch of Manhattan women -- Obama and "Affordable" "Care" Act supporters -- who can't get doctors appointments: AMY MOSES and her circle of self-employed small-business owners were supporters of President Obama and the Affordable Care Act. They bought policies on the newly created New York State exchange. But when they called doctors and hospitals in Manhattan to schedule appointments, they were dismayed to be turned away again and again with a common refrain: "We don't take Obamacare," the umbrella epithet for the hundreds of plans offered through the president's signature health legislation. "Anyone who is on these plans knows it's a two-tiered system," said Ms. Moses, describing the emotional sting of those words to a successful entrepreneur. "Anytime one of us needs a doctor," she continued, "we send out an alert: 'Does anyone have anyone on an exchange plan that does mammography or colonoscopy? Who takes our insurance?' It's really a problem." So, Mrs. Moses, who "previously had insurance," but had her old plan cut by our "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" President, now still has insurance; she just can't find any doctors who take it Some of the problems may have been predictable. When designing the new plans, for-profit insurers naturally tended to exclude high-cost, high-end hospitals with whom they had little clout to negotiate discounts. That means, for example, that as of late last year none of the plans available in New York had Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in their network — an absence that would be unacceptable to many New York-based employers buying policies for their employees. I guess this is what happens when you have to pass laws through a Senate composed of millionaires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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