Big Turk Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Bills D allowed 25.78 yards per drive, number 1 in the NFL, even more impressive considering they faced 209 drives against, most in the NFL(33 more than the average of 186)... Bills D finished 4th in Defensive DVOA at -13.4 behind only Seattle, Carolina and Arizona a year after finishing 27th, despite having the 2nd worst opponent starting field position, averaging a drive start at their own 31 yard line(thanks offense) D finished 4th in plays per drive, 6th in TOP per drive, 4th in drive success rate, 8th in punts per drive , 13th in 3 and outs per drive, 6th in both points and touchdowns per redzone appearance... Finished 10th in total yards allowed, 6th in yards per play, and the reason other teams seemingly converted so many 3rd downs against us is because we forced more 3rd downs than any other team in the NFL(245), even tho at 37% we were 13th in the NFL... Pretty impressive and shows how much improvement can happen in one year... On the flip side, the Bears were the reverse of us, going from #1 in defensive DVOA last year to 25th this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 How can we get a good offense? 15 years with no playoffs and 15 years we've never had a good offense. Not a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hmmmm...not true, I think the year we missed with Bledsoe when the Steelers backups beat us to keep us out we were top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 We're number 1, we're number 1, we're number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Bills D allowed 25.78 yards per drive, number 1 in the NFL, even more impressive considering they faced 209 drives against, most in the NFL(33 more than the average of 186)... Bills D finished 4th in Defensive DVOA at -13.4 behind only Seattle, Carolina and Arizona a year after finishing 27th, despite having the 2nd worst opponent starting field position, averaging a drive start at their own 31 yard line(thanks offense) D finished 4th in plays per drive, 6th in TOP per drive, 4th in drive success rate, 8th in punts per drive , 13th in 3 and outs per drive, 6th in both points and touchdowns per redzone appearance... Finished 10th in total yards allowed, 6th in yards per play, and the reason other teams seemingly converted so many 3rd downs against us is because we forced more 3rd downs than any other team in the NFL(245), even tho at 37% we were 13th in the NFL... Pretty impressive and shows how much improvement can happen in one year... On the flip side, the Bears were the reverse of us, going from #1 in defensive DVOA last year to 25th this year... Have you asked yourself why this might be? Here's an exercise for you and anyone else that thinks that this stat is meaningful this year. Take a look at the schedule, and how many yards each of the teams on it gained against us, then contrast that with their offensive yardage rankings. Then ask yourself why you think this status exists. This is the kind of thing that everyone gets excited over but which is largely circumstantially based, so when it doesn't happen again the following season everyone's left scratching their noodle instead of already knowing why it didn't repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 It's weird. Our offense finished in exactly the same spot as last year (19th) with about 70 more total yards. Yet, with the vastly improved defense we still finished 6-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Interesting analysis. This team is some consistent QB play away from being very good. If they fix the run D problems this D will be monstrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Bills D allowed 25.78 yards per drive, number 1 in the NFL, even more impressive considering they faced 209 drives against, most in the NFL(33 more than the average of 186)... Bills D finished 4th in Defensive DVOA at -13.4 behind only Seattle, Carolina and Arizona a year after finishing 27th, despite having the 2nd worst opponent starting field position, averaging a drive start at their own 31 yard line(thanks offense) D finished 4th in plays per drive, 6th in TOP per drive, 4th in drive success rate, 8th in punts per drive , 13th in 3 and outs per drive, 6th in both points and touchdowns per redzone appearance... Finished 10th in total yards allowed, 6th in yards per play, and the reason other teams seemingly converted so many 3rd downs against us is because we forced more 3rd downs than any other team in the NFL(245), even tho at 37% we were 13th in the NFL... Pretty impressive and shows how much improvement can happen in one year... On the flip side, the Bears were the reverse of us, going from #1 in defensive DVOA last year to 25th this year... Thanks for posting this. Great turnaround for the defense. They were very fun to watch this year. Pass rush is king on defense. As for the offense.......well the Indy preseason game was fun to watch. I know we are all sick of the up-the-middle runs on 1st and 2nd down but given a top 15 QB I would be willing to bet that Hackett and Marrone can stir up a top 10 offense. Marrone needs to go to "gameday" school this winter though. The better the team gets the more glaring those mistakes will look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Bills D allowed 25.78 yards per drive, number 1 in the NFL, even more impressive considering they faced 209 drives against, most in the NFL(33 more than the average of 186)... Bills D finished 4th in Defensive DVOA at -13.4 behind only Seattle, Carolina and Arizona a year after finishing 27th, despite having the 2nd worst opponent starting field position, averaging a drive start at their own 31 yard line(thanks offense) D finished 4th in plays per drive, 6th in TOP per drive, 4th in drive success rate, 8th in punts per drive , 13th in 3 and outs per drive, 6th in both points and touchdowns per redzone appearance... Finished 10th in total yards allowed, 6th in yards per play, and the reason other teams seemingly converted so many 3rd downs against us is because we forced more 3rd downs than any other team in the NFL(245), even tho at 37% we were 13th in the NFL... Pretty impressive and shows how much improvement can happen in one year... On the flip side, the Bears were the reverse of us, going from #1 in defensive DVOA last year to 25th this year... Not buying any of these so-called "stats." Jerry Sullivan says our defense still sucks. Hmmmm...not true, I think the year we missed with Bledsoe when the Steelers backups beat us to keep us out we were top 10 Yeah the Bills had an excellent offense in both 2002 and 2004. That's really it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) When a team has a lead, they don't need to push the ball downfield quickly. Just milk the clock and get enough for a 1st down to continue milking the clock until they get in FG range. So some of this can be attributed to the other team not needing alot of yards. Plus the Bills special teams gave up a lot of big returns which gave their opponents a shorter distance to score. Edited January 2, 2014 by PastaJoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) I appreciate the holiday cheer Matter, and then literally of course Kirby ! Go Bills ! yeah yeah , yeah yeah ! Edited January 2, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 When a team has a lead, they don't need to push the ball downfield quickly. Just milk the clock and get enough for a 1st down to continue milking the clock until they get in FG range. So some of this can be attributed to the other team not needing alot of yards. Plus the Bills special teams gave up a lot of big returns which gave their opponents a shorter distance to score. Well, that would be all well and good, but on average, the Bills held a small lead over the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I said it mid season. This defense was great at giving the offense chances. The offense normally went three and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 This topic does nothing but polishes a turd. The D never performed against a quality team. They can dominate crap teams but stink against good ones, especially on the road...NE, Tampa, etc. That's the true measurement, not this crap that is cited here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Defense forced 2nd most punts per game at 5.9. Offense punted the most at 6 per game. Punting teams were horrible. Gave up 5 yards more net per punt than we got, resulting in losing 30 yards per game. Kickoff teams not much better. Opponents had 25 more kickoff returns (they had higher touchback %) and netted 3 yards more than we did per return. That's another almost 5 yards lost due to the kicking team. Special teams cost us 35 net yards per game. Add 35 yards per game to our defensive totals and that drops our defense from 10th overall to 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 This topic does nothing but polishes a turd. The D never performed against a quality team. They can dominate crap teams but stink against good ones, especially on the road...NE, Tampa, etc. That's the true measurement, not this crap that is cited here. Holding a team to barely over 100 yards over the final 3 quarters including 7 yards in the second half is pretty freaking good...on the road against Tampa Defense forced 2nd most punts per game at 5.9. Offense punted the most at 6 per game. Punting teams were horrible. Gave up 5 yards more net per punt than we got, resulting in losing 30 yards per game. Kickoff teams not much better. Opponents had 25 more kickoff returns (they had higher touchback %) and netted 3 yards more than we did per return. That's another almost 5 yards lost due to the kicking team. Special teams cost us 35 net yards per game. Add 35 yards per game to our defensive totals and that drops our defense from 10th overall to 20th. Ok, take away the 36 extra drives we allowed on defense over the average team and that probably takes us from 10th to 3rd...see how fun the what if game can be? 36 extra drives is about an extra full three games worth of possessions for our D to have faced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Holding a team to barely over 100 yards over the final 3 quarters including 7 yards in the second half is pretty freaking good...on the road against Tampa Ok, take away the 36 extra drives we allowed on defense over the average team and that probably takes us from 10th to 3rd...see how fun the what if game can be? 36 extra drives is about an extra full three games worth of possessions for our D to have faced... When you extract out the 80 yard run on the 1st play….. I don't know why any fan tries to justify that team on any level. They sucked against any decent team and just could not stop the run. If you can't stop the run for a full 60, tell your story walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Ok, take away the 36 extra drives we allowed on defense over the average team and that probably takes us from 10th to 3rd...see how fun the what if game can be? 36 extra drives is about an extra full three games worth of possessions for our D to have faced... 36 extra drives is irrelevant since our offense had 36 extra drives as well. Simply the tempo Marrone decided to play at. I was actually trying to defend our defense by pointing out how bad our special teams were. Offense was almost as bad as the special teams. Defense was the only thing preventing Bills from being a 2 or 3 win team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 We're number 1, we're number 1, we're number 1 It makes a great change from being number 2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 but wait we can't stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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