Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I still don't know how Jim Schwartz is the HC of that team. Always underperforming. Crappy clock management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Didn't DET make the playoffs a couple years ago? They also went 4-12 last year. Stafford is incredibly inconcisitent. He has one of the all time greats to throw the ball to and still struggles! Playing in a dome even! The most damning thing I saw about him was before this year he was 1-23 against teams with a winning record. I understand wins and losses aren't all on the qb but that is a damning statistic to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 They also went 4-12 last year. Stafford is incredibly inconcisitent. He has one of the all time greats to throw the ball to and still struggles! Playing in a dome even! The most damning thing I saw about him was before this year he was 1-23 against teams with a winning record. I understand wins and losses aren't all on the qb but that is a damning statistic to say the least. that team as a whole is a bit mess though - how many games did they give away with personal fouls and just nonsense across the entire roster? whether its getting too amped up for big games, good teams knowing how to get in their heads, or just not being as good as the winning teams -- they always seem to come up small in huge moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 that team as a whole is a bit mess though - how many games did they give away with personal fouls and just nonsense across the entire roster? whether its getting too amped up for big games, good teams knowing how to get in their heads, or just not being as good as the winning teams -- they always seem to come up small in huge moments. I agree. He himself though does not help his own cause. They throw a lot and he is wildly inconsistent. Some games he looks like that franchise qb others he fumbles the snap 5 times. True "franchise" qbs should be (imo) more successful than he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) They also went 4-12 last year. Stafford is incredibly inconcisitent. He has one of the all time greats to throw the ball to and still struggles! Playing in a dome even! The most damning thing I saw about him was before this year he was 1-23 against teams with a winning record. I understand wins and losses aren't all on the qb but that is a daunting statistic to say the least. They went 4-12 last year? I don't even remember that. Schwartz is a goner. He has multiple top picks on the DL, a franchise QB,Megatron, Reggie Bush, plays in a dome, has a winnable division... they are the indoor version of the Cincy Bengals. Edited December 17, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I agree. He himself though does not help his own cause. They throw a lot and he is wildly inconsistent. Some games he looks like that franchise qb others he fumbles the snap 5 times. True "franchise" qbs should be (imo) more successful than he has been. no doubt - wasnt arguing him elite, simply that the 1-20whatever record against winning teams has plenty of blame to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 They went 4-12 last year? I don't even remember that. Schwartz is a goner. He has multiple top picks on the DL, a franchise QB,Megatron, Reggie Bush, plays in a dome, has a winnable division... they are the indoor version of the Cincy Bengals. They are going nowhere with Stafford...1-23 against winning record teams, penchant for making killer mistakes at key moments and worst of all horrible decisions in those moments...Stafford looked like a rookie yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Stafford throws such a rocket ball it's fun to watch. He suffers from the Romo Fitz disease though. Brains Short circuit when the game is on the line. The saddest thing about that exciting football game was that they had Calvin Johnson in single coverage all by himself on that 2 pointer and somehow they missed it. I could not think of a better duo that I would bet my life on to convert a 2 pointer than Megatron single covered with Stafford throwing. It at least cost them an overtime, possibly the game and the season. 1 play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 They went 4-12 last year? I don't even remember that. Schwartz is a goner. He has multiple top picks on the DL, a franchise QB,Megatron, Reggie Bush, plays in a dome, has a winnable division... they are the indoor version of the Cincy Bengals. Yeah they were horrible last year after making the playoffs the year before with almost the same team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Stafford has no qb coach and nobody is there to push him.He also has bad footwork and he will not work on his skill in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Stafford has beat 4 teams with a winning record in 5 years. He's just not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Stafford has no qb coach and nobody is there to push him.He also has bad footwork and he will not work on his skill in the offseason. Is this true? Guy has a huge contract... hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Schwartz has to be gone after this year. Way too much talent on the Lions to play that poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Stafford has beat 4 teams with a winning record in 5 years. He's just not that good. Well, EJ is ahead of schedule then with wins against Carolina and Baltimore, lol...he's got 4 more years to get two more wins to catch Stafford Edited December 18, 2013 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Stafford and Jay Cutler have the most arm talent in the league. It seems to be a bad thing. Both seem to think they can hit tiny windows, sometimes they do sometimes they don't. Both get them on highlights. For what it's worth I think Cutler would've had his team in the SB a few years back; whether he's soft for not coming back is up for debate. Stafford I think right now is like 5-26 vs teams with winning records including this year. Detroit has a boatload of talent or so experts say. Having the best weapon in the league obviously helps him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Stafford is 25 years old. 2 years ago, he had 41 tds and 16 ints. The jury is still out, to say the least. The bigger issue to me from that game is that 55 yard fgs are now more or less routine, and 61 yarders don't even shock. They've gotta narrow the uprights. Giving the kicker a greater role in games is not a good thing for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Ok, but let's be fair about this. I'm all for trading or dropping SJ - take that bias into account - but Megatron is a freak athlete and need we be reminded of the 300 yard receiving game earlier this year? Or the multiple times that Megatron has "carried" that offense and made a significant difference in the outcome of a game?? I know you're not comparing the two talent wise, but at the same time by making the sarcastic comment about how the Lions should "cut this bum also" due to drops much like SJ, that's myopic and lacking serious perspective. So, on the one hand you can't claim you're not comparing the two when in the other hand you just did...so, let's cut the silliness and realize there's no way on God's green earth SJ is ANYTHING like Megatron, in talent or production. Not sure where the confusion is. Obviously Calvin Johnson is a more accomplished player than Stevie. The point is that even the best of them make mistakes. At crucial times also. What's myopic is wanting to cut SJ because he is "not a clutch player". First of all, the Bills haven't played an important game since 2004, so the term clutch is used loosely here. Secondly, the sample size is way too small. He's had two clear late drops, the last one occurring over two years ago. Yes, he should have held on to the ball tighter against the Falcons, but that was also a good play by the DB. You could easily point to him stripping the DB and recovering the fumble late against the Colts after yet another Fitzpick last year as a clutch play, but that doesn't fit the narrative, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Ravens' Kicker Jason Tucker deserves the Wow! Six FGs tonight including the game winner from 61 yards out! He's now made 32 consecutive FGs. Impressive. Tucker had more yards in FG distance than Stafford had in Passing yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 They also went 4-12 last year. Stafford is incredibly inconcisitent. He has one of the all time greats to throw the ball to and still struggles! Playing in a dome even! The most damning thing I saw about him was before this year he was 1-23 against teams with a winning record. I understand wins and losses aren't all on the qb but that is a damning statistic to say the least. We aren't allowed to talk like this. That playoff appearance would get the Bills another 14 years... It is like going to the Superbowl! I'd take that then a 14 year drought. Beggars can't be choosers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Stafford is 25 years old. 2 years ago, he had 41 tds and 16 ints. The jury is still out, to say the least. Exactly. If I was starting a franchise from scratch I'd take stafford over almost any other QB in the league right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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