/dev/null Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 They would what? Pass something or try and debate something? Pretty interesting he didn't call them back into session, he's just passing the buck, can't blame him. I guess they will have to stop their 40th attempt to repeal Obamacare and discuss something else. Can't blame Obama for this war, or anything bad for that matter. This will be Congress war and Bush's economy. Obama's words or actions never have any negative consequences. His leadership only results in ice cream cones for kids, sunshine, and puppy dog smiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 The CWC doesn't contain any meaningful enforcement provisions beyond discussing sanctions. And as Syria isn't a signatory anyway, it doesn't apply to them - it's a convention that's only enforced on the signers of the convention. Basically...useless. What? How'd I get dragged into this? What do you want me to do, call them idiots? Given the options available, that's probably our best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Just do nothing. Announce that we don't care. Let Assad gas his people all he wants. Nobody in this country cares enough to get involved in this nonsense anymore. That area of the world is literally hell on Earth. Let them have their hellish life. it's hard to argue with this. besides, it appears that both sides have elements that would love to see the US humiliated, if not completely defeated. something else that bothers me is that after Snowden's exposure of all the domestic spying on common citizens at the hands of our 'trusted' government, I don't trust any of the 'intelligence' reports on who exactly it was that used the nerve gas on the rebels. I didn't take our government's word as gospel before, but I now have absolutely zero trust in anything they have to say, and that goes for both parties and on all levels. the president has already humiliated himself in the eyes of the world with his 'red line' BS. there's no reason to make the situation any worse for us by slinging missiles at targets that Syria has already either cleared of tactical equipment or fortified with human shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 If Obama were a man he would stand up to his advisers, political and military, and just tell everyone he's not going to give the go on this one unless the rest of the world does as well. Tell Kerry he can lead the charge to rally the world as hard as he wants, and that he will help as well...but do not do any war activities at all in conflicts like this unless everyone else muddies their hands as well. World leadership is for suckers. It's about time our President acted as if he realized that. ...now...that is what part of me things...but the other part thinks.... How is this all that different from drones? I don't have a huge problem with drones...if there are these crazy terrorist organizations and we spy well enough to basically know where they are why don't we just blow them up like a video game? Well...this...if we do in fact have an interest in this no chemical-weapons policy and we can fire a few missiles to hurt Assad for using them then why not? ...first paragraph wins out...but it is a closer debate than I would like to admit...and really the only kicker is I don't trust us to execute well I would expect problems and blowback... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 If Obama were a man he would stand up to his advisers, political and military, and just tell everyone he's not going to give the go on this one unless the rest of the world does as well. Tell Kerry he can lead the charge to rally the world as hard as he wants, and that he will help as well...but do not do any war activities at all in conflicts like this unless everyone else muddies their hands as well. World leadership is for suckers. It's about time our President acted as if he realized that. ...now...that is what part of me things...but the other part thinks.... How is this all that different from drones? I don't have a huge problem with drones...if there are these crazy terrorist organizations and we spy well enough to basically know where they are why don't we just blow them up like a video game? Well...this...if we do in fact have an interest in this no chemical-weapons policy and we can fire a few missiles to hurt Assad for using them then why not? ...first paragraph wins out...but it is a closer debate than I would like to admit...and really the only kicker is I don't trust us to execute well I would expect problems and blowback... IOW, Barry's gonna wait until Congress reconvenes on the 9th, have them vote it down, and then say to the world "see, it wasn't me that decided to do nothing!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 How is this all that different from drones? I don't have a huge problem with drones...if there are these crazy terrorist organizations and we spy well enough to basically know where they are why don't we just blow them up like a video game? Well...this...if we do in fact have an interest in this no chemical-weapons policy and we can fire a few missiles to hurt Assad for using them then why not? ... But you ALWAYS will need manned aircraft for a mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 IOW, Barry's gonna wait until Congress reconvenes on the 9th, have them vote it down, and then say to the world "see, it wasn't me that decided to do nothing!" And then he leaves his press conference to play a round of golf with Biden. What a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 If Obama were a man he would stand up to his advisers, political and military, and just tell everyone he's not going to give the go on this one unless the rest of the world does as well. Tell Kerry he can lead the charge to rally the world as hard as he wants, and that he will help as well...but do not do any war activities at all in conflicts like this unless everyone else muddies their hands as well. World leadership is for suckers. It's about time our President acted as if he realized that. ...now...that is what part of me things...but the other part thinks.... How is this all that different from drones? I don't have a huge problem with drones...if there are these crazy terrorist organizations and we spy well enough to basically know where they are why don't we just blow them up like a video game? Well...this...if we do in fact have an interest in this no chemical-weapons policy and we can fire a few missiles to hurt Assad for using them then why not? ...first paragraph wins out...but it is a closer debate than I would like to admit...and really the only kicker is I don't trust us to execute well I would expect problems and blowback... The difference between missiles and drones is basically the immediacy of observation and response. Some targets move. Cruise missiles suck for those. Drones, not so much. Personally, if they were to do anything, this is a situation where I'd feel much better about a half-dozen Predators or Reapers circling Damascus and playing whack-a-mole with Assad and his leaders, rather than lob a hundred cruise missiles at the country one time and call it "success." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 What? How'd I get dragged into this? What do you want me to do, call them idiots? Well you can always call them 'morons' or 'Wednesdays' as you fly by random Syrians on your way to impacting the target area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Obama’s Syria move could set up epic confrontation with Congress Barack Obama’s presidency has not been about restraining the powers of the presidency. On major issues both domestic and international — immigration, environmental regulation, the war in Libya, and more — Obama has shown no hesitation to act unilaterally in areas that properly lie within the purview of Congress. But now, the president says that even though he has decided the U.S. should attack the Syrian regime over its use of chemical weapons, he will ask Congress to give him permission to do so. It’s not entirely clear why Obama has decided to exercise restraint now when he has not done so in the past. Has he experienced a sudden conversion in which he gained new respect for the Constitution’s limits on executive authority? Does he really want to do nothing, and secretly hopes Congress will reject his proposal? Or has he made an essentially political decision to make sure Congress shares the blame for any calamity that might result from his lack of a clear Syrian policy? Whatever the reason, one thing is clear: Obama has set up a potentially critical confrontation between the executive and the legislative branches. It won’t be about the substance of what he proposes to do, that is, whether is it a good idea to attack Bashar al-Assad’s forces or not. Instead, it will be about whether a president is bound to follow the will of lawmakers who have the ultimate constitutional authority over whether the nation goes to war. The simple question: If Congress rejects Obama’s proposal, will he abide by its decision, or will he use his powers as commander-in-chief to attack Syria anyway? If Congress authorizes Obama to act, there’s no problem, at least constitutionally. Obama can carry out the attack, or choose not to carry out the attack, depending on his best judgment. But if Congress refuses to give its authorization, Obama faces a stark choice. He could abide by Congress’ decision, and not attack; again, no constitutional problem. Or Obama could argue that as president, in his role as commander-in-chief, he has the authority to carry out the attack on his own, and launch the cruise missiles. What would happen then? Would Congress protect its own prerogatives and take some action, perhaps using its power of the purse, to stop the president from making war? Or would Congress back down? Either way, one branch of government could come out looking much weakened. As one “senior administration official” told the Wall Street Journal: “You have to win the vote. You have to win. If Congress doesn’t let him act, the consequences for him and for the country’s standing in the world are enormous.” But Obama has not promised to abide by Congress’ decision. In his Rose Garden statement Saturday, he said he has already decided the U.S. should attack Syria. He said he believes he has the authority to carry out the attack without authorization from Congress. But he said he had decided to seek authorization anyway, because “all of us should be accountable as we move forward, and that can only be accomplished with a vote.” Note that the president said Congress’ vote was necessary for “accountability,” not that it would decide whether the U.S. attacks Syria or not. http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-syria-move-could-set-up-epic-confrontation-with-congress/article/2535009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 While the prevailing wisdom on Syria seems to be "Let our enemies continue to kill themselves," it is unfortunate that the entire world is suddenly realizing what happens when you put a community organizer in the WH. Someone needs to put Obama in a weekend leadership seminar or something because between him and Valerie Jarrett, we're a global laughingstock. Syrians are confused; America is mocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Naming Obama’s War........................... http://www.nationalreview.com/slideshows/357151 * Operation Mom Jeans * Operation Surround Israel with Islamists * Operation Seinfeld (a war about nothing) * Operation Imperative Squirrel * Operation Do As I Say Not As I Do * Operation That Was Then This Is Now * Operation Valerie Made Me Do It * Operation Al Qaeda’s New Air-Force . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/08/31/conrad-black-have-americas-red-lines-all-been-erased/ The United States is right not to become exposed, as it once was, to being drawn into virtually every conflict all over the world. But eventually, some American leader will have to pronounce in a definitive way what the U.S. national interest is and convince the world that it will be protected. At present, it is no longer clear that the United States would do anything if the Russians invaded Canada. Would Obama do more than send some ships to the Arctic and then propose that Russia and Canada divide Canada, leaving Toronto and Montreal to the Canadians, but giving Edmonton and Winnipeg to the Russians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Naming Obama’s War........................... http://www.nationalreview.com/slideshows/357151 * Operation Mom Jeans * Operation Surround Israel with Islamists * Operation Seinfeld (a war about nothing) * Operation Imperative Squirrel * Operation Do As I Say Not As I Do * Operation That Was Then This Is Now * Operation Valerie Made Me Do It * Operation Al Qaeda’s New Air-Force * Operation It's Still Bush's Fault * Operation Those Darned Obstructionist Republicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Naming Obama’s War........................... http://www.nationalr...ideshows/357151 * Operation Mom Jeans * Operation Surround Israel with Islamists * Operation Seinfeld (a war about nothing) * Operation Imperative Squirrel * Operation Do As I Say Not As I Do * Operation That Was Then This Is Now * Operation Valerie Made Me Do It * Operation Al Qaeda’s New Air-Force . Operation Justice for Trayvon http://fullcomment.n...ll-been-erased/ [/size][/font][/color] Give Quebec to the Russians, and the Canadians might just go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Operation Justice for Trayvon My favorite was Operation Enduring Confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Give Quebec to the Russians, and the Canadians might just go for it. Anyone is better than pauline marois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-syria-move-could-set-up-epic-confrontation-with-congress/article/2535009 I think it's clear that he is hoping congress will say no, thus absolving him from having to back up his mouth with actions... Edited September 1, 2013 by TheMadCap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Thoughts on Watching John Kerry on Fox News Sunday It took some real talent for Obama to make me feel bad for Kerry. Kerry is a generally reprehensible person, but in this episode he had to: explain why Obama was right to delay the action he clearly called for yesterday lie straight-faced (“a horse walked into a bar…”) to claim that the Cabinet had been consulted before Obama changed tacks, when Chris Wallace was quoting the White House that the Cabinet hadn’t been consulted as well as generally supporting the Presidential power that he and Obama ran against in their campaigns. Just remember, at these prices, we call them escorts. Ouch.............. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Naming Obama’s War........................... http://www.nationalr...ideshows/357151 * Operation Mom Jeans * Operation Surround Israel with Islamists * Operation Seinfeld (a war about nothing) * Operation Imperative Squirrel * Operation Do As I Say Not As I Do * Operation That Was Then This Is Now * Operation Valerie Made Me Do It * Operation Al Qaeda’s New Air-Force . Operation Rodeo Clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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