PearlHowardman Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 A rookie QB missing the final two weeks of pre-season is not trivial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 A rookie QB missing the final two weeks of pre-season is not trivial. You say this with such gusto! It's been said already, but evidently you missed/ignored it: He probably would have played one series in the fourth game. Which means he's missing may be a half of football he would have gotten in game three. We still haven't heard definitively that he's not practicing. So--assuming he plays in (at most) three of the remaining eight exhibition quarters, please provide--in detail--what non trivial gains he stands to lose out on. If you like, I'll happily share the risks those three quarters also pose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Thanks for the advice but I don't need any advice......... I think you would be better served by stating that you don't want his particular advise. To insinuate that you never need advise on anything would be an indication that you are all knowing. Which of course you are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 You say this with such gusto! It's been said already, but evidently you missed/ignored it: He probably would have played one series in the fourth game. Which means he's missing may be a half of football he would have gotten in game three. We still haven't heard definitively that he's not practicing. So--assuming he plays in (at most) three of the remaining eight exhibition quarters, please provide--in detail--what non trivial gains he stands to lose out on. If you like, I'll happily share the risks those three quarters also pose. He is missing all the practice time for three weeks plus 3Q minimum of game time vs starting opposition. That represents as much game time as he has to date. So yes, it's significant despite attempts to minimize it. It may not mean much over the course of his career, but he will certainly not be ready for game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Now back to the subject at hand. Would an MRI be required to determine that a knee needed tone drained? Or would it indicate something more serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 He is missing all the practice time for three weeks plus 3Q minimum of game time vs starting opposition. That represents as much game time as he has to date. So yes, it's significant despite attempts to minimize it. It may not mean much over the course of his career, but he will certainly not be ready for game 1. Has it been confirmed he'll miss practice??? Does it matter if he has the week+ of practice before opening Sunday??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 He is missing all the practice time for three weeks plus 3Q minimum of game time vs starting opposition. That represents as much game time as he has to date. So yes, it's significant despite attempts to minimize it. It may not mean much over the course of his career, but he will certainly not be ready for game 1. Vince, how do you know this? Aren't you guessing, like 100% of the other people posting here? I'm agreeing with Big Cat on this one. I think it's all dependent on whether he practices. If he practices and doesn't play the quarter of football he would have, he's starting. If he doesn't even practice, he's sitting. Those are my guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin' Rob Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) An MRI would reveal if there was a need for more than draining. And any football player missing two weeks of training camp is trivial and in no way surprising. Edited August 18, 2013 by RichmondRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 An MRI would reveal if there was a need for more than draining. And any football player missing two weeks of training camp is trivial and in no way surprising. Thanks, that is what I thought. So what would have been done that didn't require him flying to somewhere to have some specialist do the surgery? And also allow him to walk out under his own power? Manuel is only missing three training camp practices, today, Tuesday and Wednesday. Camp is then over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Ok, can I be serious here for a second and give my take on this. The reason I laughed at this thread is that many of you are freaking out about this injury, that this injury is going to ruin this year or at the least hurt it. Let's think about this. Do you really think that EJ was going to come out and turn this team around and finally take them to the promised land? Maybe in a couple of years but probably not this year. Not many rookie QBs have done that. It will most likely have him a bit shakey in his first couple of starts. Uhhhh, dude is going to be shakey in his first couple of starts anyway. First couple of starts in what could end up being over 100 in his career. Stop placing all your hopes and dreams on one person. How many years in a row has that happened with this team? It's a long season. So what if he doesn't start week one. So what if he starts week two and three and is a bit shakey. That's why I said I'm glad I'm no longer emotionally tied to this team. Do I root for them? Hell yeah, but I don't let them determine my emotional state come Monday morning. whike I respect your opinion and your reputation here (we've never had any sissy arguments over dumb things, generally have a similar opinion of what's sane) I disagree with this..... SOMEWHAT. While your point makes sense that one person doesn't make that much of a difference and punning out hopes in one person gets us all to the point where we want to jump off bridges on Monday mornings. It should also be noted that 1 player is the most important player on the team. Any team. That's why so many have suggested for the last 13 years that we won't win on a regular basis until we get one. It should also be noted that its not just one player. It's multiple players we've received. Between all the new WRs, LBs, and STers this could be a huge difference. Another notation should be the coaching staff. Marrone, Hackett, and Pettine are light years better than Gailey and Wanny. That alone should make the difference of 2-3 wins. So you see, it's not just 1 player. It is many an many other things as well. Not saying we're going to make the jump but the possibilities aren't so outrageous as you may think. We really had a lot of talent on this team over the last few years, the right coaches, systems, and a few additional players just might be the key to turning this thing around on a dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 A rookie QB missing the final two weeks of pre-season is not trivial. Agreed esp. the 3rd game which traditionally the "dress rehearsal". For a vet, not so much a big deal. For a rookie, it's significant. Kolb won't be able to complain he didn't get every chance to win the starting shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Well the good news is over the next two weeks or so, likely will get a much better idea on Jeff Tuel's abilities which likely could be a good thing. He won't be playing against 3rd stringers at least 2nd and maybe some 1st teams. While I agree EJ has looked very good for a rookie and likely would have started as was pointed out, it's unlikely the Bill's were going to the super bowl this season or even the playoffs, So sitting a watching a couple of weeks may not be a terrible thing either. In situations like this you sometimes can learn more from watching, viewing real game tape and practicing more. Yes I know there have been more rookie QB's coming in right away and playing well, three of note last year were Wilson, RG3, and Luck. In all three cases though I do think the team around him was a little better than what we have here so again easier to look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Has it been confirmed he'll miss practice??? Does it matter if he has the week+ of practice before opening Sunday??? Per Astro's post practice today was split between Kolb and Tuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I think you would be better served by stating that you don't want his particular advise. To insinuate that you never need advise on anything would be an indication that you are all knowing. Which of course you are not. Apparently you have not met the Chef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Vince, how do you know this? Aren't you guessing, like 100% of the other people posting here? I'm agreeing with Big Cat on this one. I think it's all dependent on whether he practices. If he practices and doesn't play the quarter of football he would have, he's starting. If he doesn't even practice, he's sitting. Those are my guesses. id like to point to this but add in depending on how Kolb plays in the remaining game time he is given. If he looks good and not so rusty, then most likely we won't worry too much (I know, long shot right). If he looks like he did the other night the. Chances are that the coaches still think EJ is the better start for the season..... AS LONG AS HE'S PHYSICALLY CLEARED FOR THE GAME. Apparently you have not met the Chef. never disagree with a Chef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Watching this re-run of the Friday game here. To me this team looks quite a bit better judging only from these 2 pre-season games. As depressed as I am about EJ getting injured I take some solace in seeing an aggressive defense with some nice play makers, a special teams that is playing well and a good strong running game. We may well have enough weapons to do some damage with or without EJ. His speed and athleticism is an asset we can really use. I think we'll be OK. Yes, I watched Kolb throw 3 passes that were behind his receiver. He really didnt look all that bad other than that. Not even sure the pic was his fault. He needs to get rid of the ball quicker though. EJ's scoring drive was sweet. The running game did play a large part in that drive. The read on the short TD pass was an excellent piece of work by EJ. This team may well have enough talent (and coaching) to absorb the loss of EJ which as we all hope is short lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Manuel is only missing three training camp practices, today, Tuesday and Wednesday. Camp is then over. Only the st john fisher portion of camp will be over. Training camp then moves to orchard Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Thanks, that is what I thought. So what would have been done that didn't require him flying to somewhere to have some specialist do the surgery? And also allow him to walk out under his own power? Manuel is only missing three training camp practices, today, Tuesday and Wednesday. Camp is then over. Camp is over, but pre-season practices then move to Orchard Park, yes? So he is missing more than 3 practices, even if only 3 training camp practices. I'm not a doctor and don't want to play one on the web, but something like torn cartilage in the meniscus (the ring of cartilage surrounding the knee socket) would fit the timeline given and other observations (never seen limping, no announcement of injury during the game). EJ probably woke up with his knee swollen like a melon and screaming at every step, had an MRI and voila. There are qualified orthopedic surgeons who can trim torn cartilage and flush pieces out in every major city, esp. one with medical school. Then you want to control and limit activity to build ROM and strengthen the stabilizing muscles while minimizing inflammation for a few weeks. It's not a big deal but one wants to avoid chance of re-injury and get the inflammation down so likely no practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Apparently you have not met the Chef. I have not had the pleasure. I'm just messing with him. This Manuel thing has made me grumpy. I get what people are saying, but I just want to see the kid play. I think it will be more fun than Fitz 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 id like to point to this but add in depending on how Kolb plays in the remaining game time he is given. If he looks good and not so rusty, then most likely we won't worry too much (I know, long shot right). If he looks like he did the other night the. Chances are that the coaches still think EJ is the better start for the season..... AS LONG AS HE'S PHYSICALLY CLEARED FOR THE GAME. Vince, how do you know this? Aren't you guessing, like 100% of the other people posting here? I'm agreeing with Big Cat on this one. I think it's all dependent on whether he practices. If he practices and doesn't play the quarter of football he would have, he's starting. If he doesn't even practice, he's sitting. Those are my guesses. Has it been confirmed he'll miss practice??? Does it matter if he has the week+ of practice before opening Sunday??? Just so I'm clear, you guys think that the Bills will name a rookie QB who has played in 3Q total of preseason games, is coming off an injury and hasn't practiced in two+ weeks the starter for week one? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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