uncle flap Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 All that would be great, but I'm not predicting either willl happen. PTR Mods- has someone hacked PTR's account? I was under the impression he was a pollyanna obsessed with attacking the "realistic" posters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Bryd should have been rookie of the year over that cheating, female breasted Cushing. 9 INTs is so rare. . Weren't 6 of them off of sanchez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 He had 1,700+ total yards last year with 8 TD's to boot. Averaged 6.0 YPC and 10.7 YPR. If the team doesn't find a way to get him more, they're idiots. Fred Jackson should be the more limited of the two, considering his significant injury risk. 75-25 is what I would think it should look like. Personally, I would like to see if Spiller can handle 250 carries and 75 receptions. Yet to be seen. absolutely agree that CJ needs as many touches as he can handle, and with the addition of some of the weapons around him, he may be even more dangerous this year. but, as good as he is, and as good as he could be, i think freddy is still very important to this team. his value to the locker room should not be taken lightly, his role as a mentor to the youngsters, and just the drive and work ethic he has shown throughout his carreer. he may be approaching the end of his carreer, but i believe he still has tremendous value as a player on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 absolutely agree that CJ needs as many touches as he can handle, and with the addition of some of the weapons around him, he may be even more dangerous this year. but, as good as he is, and as good as he could be, i think freddy is still very important to this team. his value to the locker room should not be taken lightly, his role as a mentor to the youngsters, and just the drive and work ethic he has shown throughout his carreer. he may be approaching the end of his carreer, but i believe he still has tremendous value as a player on this team. Agreed about Freddy. I think many Bills fans have dismissed him after last season, however, I still think he has a lot to offer this offense. I don't buy into that "well he's a running back in his 30's so he must be washed-up" mentality. CJ has earned the lions share of the carries, but Freddy can still make a significant inpact with 10 touches per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Agreed about Freddy. I think many Bills fans have dismissed him after last season, however, I still think he has a lot to offer this offense. I don't buy into that "well he's a running back in his 30's so he must be washed-up" mentality. CJ has earned the lions share of the carries, but Freddy can still make a significant inpact with 10 touches per game. I love Freddy, but if he keeps fumbling the ball then he needs to go. Injuries happen and you can't hold that against the guy, but the fumbling is another issue. Especially if we start EJ, we can't have a RB who turns the ball over like that. CJ is going to have a huge year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 There's 1 chance in 32 of the OROY being a Bill. There's 1 chance in 32 of the DROY being a Bill. So there's 1 chance in 1,024 of both the OROY and DROY being Bills. It would be awesome if it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelee Phoenix Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 The odds are a lot better than that if you consider opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 There's 1 chance in 32 of the OROY being a Bill. There's 1 chance in 32 of the DROY being a Bill. So there's 1 chance in 1,024 of both the OROY and DROY being Bills. It would be awesome if it happened. Haslett and Conlan were the two Bills defenders to win the AP award. Alonso looks to be cut from the same cloth as a 3 down defender that is likely to make a lot of tackles as a rookie starter. LBs and DEs are the favored choices over DTs and DBs and I'd put the probability at ~ 1/12. QBs and WRs seem more likely to win the award in today's NFL and there really aren't that many RB candidates this year anyways. There are more RB by committee approaches now , especially for rookies. O-line has never won the AP award and when you consider that the winners are usually top of the draft talents (makes sense--they are more talented and more likely to play from day 1) the field of potential winners is much smaller. My guess is that Manuel and Woods give the Bills 2 chances out of 16 or so. Without a calculator, that gives the Bills an ~ 20% chance to win one award and ~1% chance to win both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) There's 1 chance in 32 of the OROY being a Bill. There's 1 chance in 32 of the DROY being a Bill. So there's 1 chance in 1,024 of both the OROY and DROY being Bills. It would be awesome if it happened. Unless something has changed and every team has one offensive and one defensive rookie and these honors are chosen by drawing names from a hat at random with equal weighting, then thats not even remotely reflective of the odds of such an occurrence. Edited May 21, 2013 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) There's 1 chance in 32 of the OROY being a Bill. There's 1 chance in 32 of the DROY being a Bill. So there's 1 chance in 1,024 of both the OROY and DROY being Bills. It would be awesome if it happened. The Bills haven't had a Rookie of the Year since 1987 with Conlan (DROY) and 1970 with Shaw (OROY)... and yet I don't care because the pre-preseason is always exciting when new blood arrives! Edited May 21, 2013 by BmoreBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 The defensive rookie of the year is often a middle linebacker because the accumulate a lot of tackles. The offensive rookie of the year is a RB more often than not. Since there were no RBs selected in round and the bills will have a rookie starting at ILB it is not impossible for a bills to win rookie of the year. EJ would need to start early obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Unless something has changed and every team has one offensive and one defensive rookie and these honors are chosen by drawing names from a hat at random with equal weighting, then thats not even remotely reflective of the odds of such an occurrence. You are right, of course. So I'll let you figure out a way of calculating the odds that's more precise and not (1) subjective, or (2) a royal pain in the ass. My point was only that the odds were long. But what a great year for the Bills if we had either ROY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Or Buffalo could very well go 5 - 11 next season; given past experience that's a much safer bet than two RsOY. Don't you think that somewhere someone else is posting that their team has a good chance of having two RsOY? Do you (OP) exhibit this rabid optimism in other aspects of your life...do you have other aspects of your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelee Phoenix Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Don't you think that somewhere someone else is posting that their team has a good chance of having two RsOY? The Rams, Packers and Steelers, maybe. That's about it. The hate on this topic is sad. So many people not even thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I get the optimism but come on, lets try and be a little realistic here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukethis Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 This is just a ridiculous stretch to ASSume that the other 31 teams did not also draft possible DROY and OROY candidates. Homer much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 This is just a ridiculous stretch to ASSume that the other 31 teams did not also draft possible DROY and OROY candidates. Homer much ? Why are you here again then? To not root for the possibility of an OROY or a DROY is not being a Bills fan, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 absolutely agree that CJ needs as many touches as he can handle, and with the addition of some of the weapons around him, he may be even more dangerous this year. but, as good as he is, and as good as he could be, i think freddy is still very important to this team. his value to the locker room should not be taken lightly, his role as a mentor to the youngsters, and just the drive and work ethic he has shown throughout his carreer. he may be approaching the end of his carreer, but i believe he still has tremendous value as a player on this team. Agreed about Freddy. I think many Bills fans have dismissed him after last season, however, I still think he has a lot to offer this offense. I don't buy into that "well he's a running back in his 30's so he must be washed-up" mentality. CJ has earned the lions share of the carries, but Freddy can still make a significant inpact with 10 touches per game. I don't disagree at all that Freddy still has value. I just think when you have a RB averaging 5.4 ypc and another averaging 4.5, that the first guy should be on the field more. Fred still has plenty of utility on this team and should be utilized less so that we finally can keep him healthy for an entire season. I don't think he's approaching the end of his career either. While he is older, he has a lot less game mileage on him than most RB's his age. To the second point, I'm not dismissing him at all. He's been productive for this team and can be used in both the running and passing game. People forget that before his injury last season, he was leading the league in total YPG for a RB. Still, Spiller is something really special. His dynamic running style reminds me a bit of Priest Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I don't disagree at all that Freddy still has value. I just think when you have a RB averaging 5.4 ypc and another averaging 4.5, that the first guy should be on the field more. Fred still has plenty of utility on this team and should be utilized less so that we finally can keep him healthy for an entire season. I don't think he's approaching the end of his career either. While he is older, he has a lot less game mileage on him than most RB's his age. To the second point, I'm not dismissing him at all. He's been productive for this team and can be used in both the running and passing game. People forget that before his injury last season, he was leading the league in total YPG for a RB. Still, Spiller is something really special. His dynamic running style reminds me a bit of Priest Holmes. completely true. CJ needs to get the majority of the rb touches because of the shiftiness and breakaway speed. he really could be a superstar in this league. and freddy should get his as well, there should be plenty to go around. spiller has the speed and the moves, freddy has that grit and veteran savvy. both can break runs in their own way and both are very good out of the backfield as receiving options. I love Freddy, but if he keeps fumbling the ball then he needs to go. Injuries happen and you can't hold that against the guy, but the fumbling is another issue. Especially if we start EJ, we can't have a RB who turns the ball over like that. CJ is going to have a huge year. i really think that the majority of freddy's fumbles last year came on the 5th, 6th, and 7th efforts. he was really trying to do to much. i admire and respect him trying to do everything in his power to get the win, but there comes a time when you have to just go down. much like a qb holding the ball to long or forcing the throw when he feels like he has to take it all on himself. there is a time and a place, but you really have to pick your spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucethomas34 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Anything is possible, highly unlikely however due to the fact that EJ is raw and KIKO is a 2nd round line backer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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