Rockinon Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I'm sorry but you guys are just making this stuff up. He did not have a tear like what most people seem to be thinking here. He has the same injury he had 2 years ago. Bones spurs. When he had surgery to remove the bone spurs the 1st time, the surgery was very successful. Last thing most of us heard was that he was going to have surgery for the same thing, only is other foot. The thing is, bone spurs are very painful when you are using your 300lb frame to crash into other 300lb bodies. How bad does it damage the bottom of your feet? Every case is different. My guess, in Kyle's case is that it's not so serious that he can't come back healthy by training camp. Even in a worse case scenario, it's still not a career ending injury. What the hell is all of this "his career is over" talk? Kyle will be back. Get real, people. When people don't know the full details about something, why do they feel the need to blow smoke up everyone's arses with ridiculous rumors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Did he have surgery or not? If not - he's doing the same thing that made him play poorly when his first boo-boo foot bothered him. (hat tip to krayonz) Is that's what's in store for him and us this year? I think we've got a right to know based on what happened in the past, and what they said at the end of last year with respect to his fall off in play. Is he injured or not? Does he have a nagging issue or not? Did he get it corrected or not? It's a relatively simple thing for the team to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 There are two relevant issues regarding Kyle Williams. 1) Did/have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health ASAP? 2) What if any obligation does the team have in disclosing his physical status to those outside the team? To the first point I'm sure the team's and player's objectives go hand-in-hand in this case and that they have/will act in their best interests, whatever that is. Presumably sooner is better and the surgery if necessary has already been performed. To the second point, it's debatable whether the team has any obligation to keep media and fans apprised. The NFL is strict about injury reporting during the season but there are no rules governing injury disclosure during the offseason that I'm aware of. Also the new regime seems to be pretty tight-lipped about everything so even though I don't think there's any competitive advantage to be gained by keeping Williams' health status a secret it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills prefer not to talk about it. Hopefully Chris Brown will respond to the queries originating here. Possibly one of the reporters who covers the team will press the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2013 Author Share Posted May 6, 2013 There are two relevant issues regarding Kyle Williams. 1) Did/have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health ASAP? 2) What if any obligation does the team have in disclosing his physical status to those outside the team? Hopefully Chris Brown will respond to the queries originating here. Possibly one of the reporters who covers the team will press the question. Hi SJBF, The Bills had an article about the condition and its likely need for surgery in early January Linky There is a right to privacy about medical conditions. Given that Kyle/the Bills already waived this right and disclosed his physical status and likely need for off-season surgery and stated that it impacted him last season, it seems odd that they wouldn't follow-up. I don't think "have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health?" is quite the right question. If there's a broken leg or a completely torn tendon or ligament, the best treatment choice is likely clear-cut. There is always some subjectivity in evaluating a non-critical condition and deciding whether surgery or rest is the best option; the team's physicians can recommend treatment, but ultimately, it's up to the player to make the decision and if the team doesn't agree it's the best option they can call the Turk (see Merriman, Shawn; Edwards, Dwan). Email I found for questions: AskChris@bills.nfl.net Twitter: ChrisBrownBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Did he have surgery or not? If not - he's doing the same thing that made him play poorly when his first boo-boo foot bothered him. (hat tip to krayonz) Is that's what's in store for him and us this year? I think we've got a right to know based on what happened in the past, and what they said at the end of last year with respect to his fall off in play. Is he injured or not? Does he have a nagging issue or not? Did he get it corrected or not? It's a relatively simple thing for the team to address. Technically the bills CAN'T owe us detailed medical updates. Further the bills don't really owe us much at all, though there are things we would like. We are simply fans, not shareholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Hi SJBF, The Bills had an article about the condition and its likely need for surgery in early January Linky There is a right to privacy about medical conditions. Given that Kyle/the Bills already waived this right and disclosed his physical status and likely need for off-season surgery and stated that it impacted him last season, it seems odd that they wouldn't follow-up. I don't think "have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health?" is quite the right question. If there's a broken leg or a completely torn tendon or ligament, the best treatment choice is likely clear-cut. There is always some subjectivity in evaluating a non-critical condition and deciding whether surgery or rest is the best option; the team's physicians can recommend treatment, but ultimately, it's up to the player to make the decision and if the team doesn't agree it's the best option they can call the Turk (see Merriman, Shawn; Edwards, Dwan). Email I found for questions: AskChris@bills.nfl.net Twitter: ChrisBrownBills I'm not exactly sure what your point is but my full take on the situation includes my comments later in the thread. 1) Did/have the Bills done what is necessary to return the player to good health ASAP? …. To the first point I'm sure the team's and player's objectives go hand-in-hand in this case and that they have/will act in their best interests, whatever that is. Presumably sooner is better and the surgery if necessary has already been performed. So I'm speculating in this case that their interests are common. Maybe so maybe not. But that's my speculation. BTW, the only plausible scenario right now where the team and player are at odds is if it's a case where one side feels surgery is the best option while the other side feels that rest and rehab (treatment) is the best option. Presuming that both sides are happy with the previous surgery and that this current issue is very similar to the previous one, one could presume that both team and player will take the same road this time around. I would be surprised if the team and player are at odds on this but maybe they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 If he's not healthy, trade him & cut bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 If he's not healthy, trade him & cut bait. Right, because if he's not healthy teams will be lining up to trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) For what it's worth, PFF had Kyle Williams as their #22 top overall player for 2012. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/02/pffs-top-101-of-2012-30-to-21/ Edited May 6, 2013 by Carey Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 For what it's worth, PFF had Kyle Williams as their #22 top overall player for 2012. https://www.profootb...-2012-30-to-21/ How could last year's defense be so bad, considering they were lining up 2 of the top 25 players in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 How could last year's defense be so bad, considering they were lining up 2 of the top 25 players in the NFL? Do the math. Eleven defensive starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ 'Em Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 my opinion is that he's done. Haven't liked him or wanted him on this team in over 2 seasons. I don't think he's good. I think he takes the same type of career that Hanson, Schobel had. Good enough for Bills fans to think they are really good, but the rest of the league really doesn't. I put the 2nd part in there saying he might benefit from Mario and Dareus being the main contributors and Kyle reaps some of the rewards. But I really don't see that happening. Rags your obviously living in some alternate universe where Kyle Williams hasn't been our best player on defense the past 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Do the math. Eleven defensive starters. And one Wannstedt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Signed big contract....got a boo boo foot.....had surgery.....other foot has a boo boo......if he gets surgery again he is out of boo boo feet. The only way to go is to say that he thought it would heal on its own....then have surgery....it all helps by getting paid more of the big $$$ on that contract by extending it as far as his boo boo feet will take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 According to Chris Brown on today's fan Friday column, Kyle Williams DID have surgery on his boo boo foot back in February. He is most likely out for OTAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 According to Chris Brown on today's fan Friday column, Kyle Williams DID have surgery on his boo boo foot back in February. He is most likely out for OTAs Thanks for posting that. I assumed that surgery had been done but it's nice to get confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Thanks for posting that. I assumed that surgery had been done but it's nice to get confirmation. Yes, that is excellent news. And good job by Kyle to "Bruce" his way out of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iommi Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Here is Chris Brown's quote for those interested. "Yes, Kyle Williams did have surgery on his other Achilles in mid-February. He’s still not cleared to participate in any way at this time just three months removed from surgery. So it’s clear, much like his surgery last year it was not a ruptured Achilles that can take up to a year to heal. Instead it was a frayed Achilles. In such an instance doctors detach the Achilles, repair and strengthen, then lay it back down and re-attach it. Rehab last year was about five months." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 5 months? Great, just in time for camp!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I added some question marks to make it clear the poster was asking a question, not providing information. Aside from creating a completely different title (which I'm not comfortable doing to others' posts/threads), is there another way I could have made it more clear? Nice job Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Blinders? What blinders? You mean the "he made the pro bowl last year" blinders? I guess the coaches and players who voted him into the pro bowl are wearing blinders too. The Pro Bowl is an absolute joke and defending a player for making it is an even bigger one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He had surgery in February to clear out bone spurs. Didn't need achilles repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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