Erik Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Nah, most GMs are high motor, but Whaley's a physical freak with potential character issues - get your tropes straight, man. I heard he's a real class act too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I heard he's a real class act too. Very articulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) I keep hearing he's well-respected around the league. The basis for that however remains a mystery. The only thing he made news for was emailing porn. Edited March 19, 2013 by Mr. Wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Can someone explain why they think he'll be great if he calls the shots? It's a choice between the devil you've watched draft one 7th round QB in 3 years vs. the devil you don't know very much about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I wanted a complete turn over. i know my wants do not matter. If the Bills where serious about change they would have let everyone go from Nix on down. Dave Caldwell wanted to go to Buffalo, but now he is in Jax. It will be interesting to watch the Jags and Bills and see who is better in 3-4 years from now. The Jags and Bills are very similar in their situations. Both need a qb and both have been struggling for years. I personally think Caldwell experience and places he has worked provided him with a better resume. But the Bills have decided to stay in house. I hope Whaley does step up and becomes the next Polian and not the next Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 They will all try to impress the next owner to keep there jobs. Drafting and UDFA are crictical, they need more help finding good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 "He's well regarded around the league". Exactly. He gets a ringing endorsement and isn't BUDDY NIX!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy in 4C Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 He has all the measurables but when you watch him on the tape, you just don't see it. And by "tape" you mean you watched 3 1/2 minutes of youtube videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Nix was head scout for the Bills under Polian & Butler, and definitely counts as a "Ralph" hire, whereas Whaley not so much. Nix was southeast regional scout from 93-00. Not sure he worked much for Polian. Whaley's an unknown despite what some want to say. He may turn out to be a Jerry Reese type or not, but assigning credibility is something people with little to hang their hat on do. I understand that, but it's clear that Nix couldn't get it done and they're undoing what he did from 2010-12. I do often wonder why Whaley left a successful franchise where he admittedly wasn't going to be GM for a GM apprentice job in Buffalo for someone who isn't the talent evaluator many fans claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Nothing better than when someone spells the word "genius" wrong. Having someone take the time to point out a typo is a little bit better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Exactly. He gets a ringing endorsement and isn't BUDDY NIX!!! Ha ha, so true. We'll be so glad when another team hires him away. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I don't understand the guys who go, "Can't wait, this is gonna be Nix's last year and we'll have Whaley save this franchise." What has Whaley done, ever? Worked for a good team in a lower level position? Since when does that make a difference? Nix may be incompetent. We may need a change at GM. But Bills' fans are the only fans who can talk themselves into changes that are more than likely just as bad. It seems like half the board agrees he's the second coming of Polian, when he's done nothing, ever. How does that make any sense? It's like the "Fire Edwards, Wannstedt is a defensive genius! He'll turn this defense around, he has experience on good teams!" phenomena all over again. We glorify these new guys and then hate them 2 years later when they aren't legendary. Happens to every player on the Bills, too. But, I digress. Can someone explain why they think he'll be great if he calls the shots? I don't disagree whatsoever...This is the exact reason why I wanted David Caldwell to be hired as the Bills GM...I think Caldwell's resume is a bit more impressive than Whaley's for sure...Though I do admit it's tough to judge Whaley on what he has actually done from the shadows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) It's a choice between the devil you've watched draft one 7th round QB in 3 years vs. the devil you don't know very much about. Doug Whaley is not an unknown quantity. He has been with the franchise for three years. Brandon has taken over for the franchise from the ailing owner. Without a doubt he has worked with him or at least closely observed how he operates He must have been impressed with him because he extended his contract. This wasn't a Wilson extension, it was a Brandon extension. There are many assumptions being made about Nix's status. Does he currently have the same level of authority? Is he being forced to be more collaborative with the way he makes decisions? The HC hire didn't seem to be the type of hire he would make. None of us really know how much he was involved in that crtical decision. There is a lot of speculation that Nix will be leaving the organization after this draft. But we don't know for sure if that is true or not. Sometimes when an organization is opaque you can only make educated guesses based on what it does and not what it says. All we know for sure is that Whaley's contract has been extended.We also know there has been no sign prior to the extension that he had any interest in any other openings. That indicates to me that his authority has been enhanced and that in the near future (possibly after this draft) he will be the new GM. Speculating on an organizaton that has often defied logic is a challenging endeavor. However, I get a sense that since the mercurial owner is not involved with the business the decisions coming out of OBD will be less erratic and a tad bit more rational. Edited March 19, 2013 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I havent seen it mentioned so i will dispute it here You compare Whaley to Wanny....which is like a polar opposite - Wanny.....old....game has passed him by......spent too much time down in the college ranks and wasnt that great there. His defense worked a zillion years ago - Whaley....is a young up and comer.....fresh blood....worked with a organization while they were putting together super bowl teams See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 That may sound fugged up...but, unfortunately, our team has left us with little else to hope for... +1 . that about sums it up. that the new penny will somehow be worth more than the old penny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Explain faith? Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Any Nix apologist thread should be "moderated" from the get-go. If the idea behind this thread is to insinuate that we are blindly accepting the unknown, vs. the known entity, that known entity has set us back in his tenure primarily by failing to address a clear need at THE most important position on the field. We could not attract/afford another GM with an established track record. We would have to stretch VERY hard to grab any one else's up-and -coming GM. We have an ownership situation that most GM's do not want to get near. That feeds and compounds the persistent stigma surrounding the quality of the city, weather, social aspects etc etc. Here we are with a widely respected guy, from a culture of success, possesses multiple championship rings, league-wide respected as an up and coming GM candidate in hand....and this thread exists solely to ask what he's done as a GM. THIS....is why we fail as fans. We have a guy that's married to one collegiate division, is a fish out of water in the Northeast, is too old, not that respected in the GM circles and has completely fuk'd us in the QB dept. And someone has to start a thread challenging the incumbent who has the right background as if he is going to do worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Any Nix apologist thread should be "moderated" from the get-go. If the idea behind this thread is to insinuate that we are blindly accepting the unknown, vs. the known entity, that known entity has set us back in his tenure primarily by failing to address a clear need at THE most important position on the field. We could not attract/afford another GM with an established track record. We would have to stretch VERY hard to grab any one else's up-and -coming GM. We have an ownership situation that most GM's do not want to get near. That feeds and compounds the persistent stigma surrounding the quality of the city, weather, social aspects etc etc. Here we are with a widely respected guy, from a culture of success, possesses multiple championship rings, league-wide respected as an up and coming GM candidate in hand....and this thread exists solely to ask what he's done as a GM. THIS....is why we fail as fans. We have a guy that's married to one collegiate division, is a fish out of water in the Northeast, is too old, not that respected in the GM circles and has completely fuk'd us in the QB dept. And someone has to start a thread challenging the incumbent who has the right background as if he is going to do worse. haters gonna hate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Doug Whaley is not an unknown quantity. He has been with the franchise for three years. Brandon has taken over for the franchise from the ailing owner. Without a doubt he has worked with him or at least closely observed how he operates He must have been impressed with him because he extended his contract. This isn't a Wilson extension, it is a Brandon extension. There are many assumptions being made about Nix's status. Does he currently have the same level of authority? Is he being forced to be more collaborative with the way he makes decisions? The HC hire didn't seem to be the type of hire he would make. None of us really know how much he was involved in that crtical decision. There is a lot of speculation that Nix will be leaving the organization after this draft. But we don't know for sure if that is true or not. Sometimes when an organization is opaque you can only make educated guesses based on what it does and not what it says. All we know for sure is that Whaley's contract has been extended.We also know there has been no sign prior to the extension that he had any interest in any other openings. That indicates to me that his authority has been enhanced and that in the near future (possibly after this draft) he will be the new GM. Speculating on an organizaton that has often defied logic is a challenging endeavor. However, I get a sense that since the mercurial owner is not involved with the business the decisions coming out of OBD will be less erratic and a tad bit more rational. That's an awful lot of assumptions you're making. Don't know whether you're right or wrong, and only a few people do on some (those that are in the room). The fact of the matter is that Nix has blundered (IMO) in 2 of his 3 drafts from a talent perspective and 3 out of 3 when strictly viewing QB. We hope that Whaley was dead set against some of the choices made but we just don't know. We can hope that Whaley is a better talent evaluator. We can hope that Whaley values the QB position more than Nix has shown. We can hope that Whaley builds an honest to goodness NFL team. We won't know until he is put in charge if that day ever comes. We hope, but we don't know; just like we didn't know about that guy named Polian when he was given control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I go with he at least cut his teeth in an org known for building good teams. Lets hope he brings that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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