papazoid Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 HEY! you are now part of the TBD pop culture...... ralph and jay are cheap, F5, ground up and in the freezer, etc.... etc.....etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 you are now part of the TBD pop culture...... ralph and jay are cheap, F5, ground up and in the freezer, etc.... etc.....etc..... And crashing servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I was never worried and didn't get involved in the Mario bashing or defending. He is going to have a long career in Buffalo. His 8 game slow start will haunt him in some of the more obstinate and cheap fans. Over time the 100 mill won't seem like such a bad deal to most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Well, I wanted 20 sacks, so cut him. I still love the mentality of some Bills fans. They love blaming productive players for the team's problem. Yup, Mario is the one holding this team back. I'm so glad we got him and it's finally starting to show up. I was never worried and didn't get involved in the Mario bashing or defending. He is going to have a long career in Buffalo. His 8 game slow start will haunt him in some of the more obstinate and cheap fans. Over time the 100 mill won't seem like such a bad deal to most. Best part, he's only 27. Fans are so delusional. Ralph is cheap when he doesn't sign Mario. Now, he's stupid when he "overpays" for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Please start another thread when it's okay to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Best part, he's only 27. Fans are so delusional. Ralph is cheap when he doesn't sign Mario. Now, he's stupid when he "overpays" for him. You know we just can't be happy for once that something is looking positive on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 His strip sack/fumble was one of the single best defensive plays we've had in a decade. Used his leverage and huge wingspan to get to the qb, knock the ball loose, dribble in off the turf once and recover that mf'er on the opponents 15 yard line. He'll end up with a dozen sacks this year, about double our best guy's total last year. Oh and he's ahead of sackmasters Clay Matthews, Jared Allen and Dumervil. Also of interest, Von Miller has 15 already. Slow down there buddy....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 In that case, I'd better not see you criticize any players so I can be the "told you so" guy. Really, I don't mind. It's one thing to criticize, another to have a whiny little B word fit b/c reality doesn't mirror your adolescent fantasies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I was a critic. He was getting owned. Don't forget the Jets game where he was owned by a practice squad guy. He has exactly 1 sack in 4 division games, and that was against Miami. Big games against Cleveland, Arizona and Indy. I'm glad he's here. I loved the signing and I still think it was the right thing to do. But he has underpeformed. I don't see any other way to look at it. And I don't buy the wrist bullschit, either. He "got better" because we started playing crappy teams, and/or teams with rookie QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yes, the D is coming on, and mario is leading the improvement. But, the other guys are helping. New guy at d end is helping some, and Carrington is making a few plays. Others also contributing. And, the D line can get even better, I make Darius as hurting with a shoulder arm problem, would not be surprised to hear about off season surgery to correct whatever it is, since he is playing through the situation. Watch him closely, his arm is hanging a lot.....this is soph slump for cause in my view. Kelsay may have played his last game for the Bills. And who figured McKelvin would steady the secondary when given the CB start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeisterHollow Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 who cares, have his sacks made a difference? Has his presence on this defense really made it better? Are the Bills a better team because of this signing? Sacks, its not about sacks, it's about winning! I really thought during the first half of the year that Mario just didn't seem to have the intensity, the real 100% go all out, every play, intensity that makes the great defenders in the NFL great. He has the tools - but I just don't think he brings it all the time. I think his recent improvement in play is more a matter of image control - he didn't want to look like he was not really trying; granted, he was injured - but still, the people who knew him in Houston said he played down for stretches, and played up during the big stage games. I think he is good. I don't think he's worth the money we paid him. I think there will be a draftable player in this years, and next years (clowney) draft who would be much better, and I think that 100 million would have been better invested in a few players, or maybe a top notch QB, but it is what it is - he is a good player. I just think if his passion were greater he'd help raise the level of play around him more - like Ray Lewis does in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 We can probably get at least a 2nd for him after the season. A 1st if Buddy agrees swaps 3rd round picks I really thought during the first half of the year that Mario just didn't seem to have the intensity, the real 100% go all out, every play, intensity that makes the great defenders in the NFL great. He has the tools - but I just don't think he brings it all the time. I think his recent improvement in play is more a matter of image control - he didn't want to look like he was not really trying; granted, he was injured - but still, the people who knew him in Houston said he played down for stretches, and played up during the big stage games. I think he is good. I don't think he's worth the money we paid him. I think there will be a draftable player in this years, and next years (clowney) draft who would be much better, and I think that 100 million would have been better invested in a few players, or maybe a top notch QB, but it is what it is - he is a good player. I just think if his passion were greater he'd help raise the level of play around him more - like Ray Lewis does in Baltimore. That torn ligament in his wrist really made him lazy. He didnt miss one practice or game snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 you are now part of the TBD pop culture...... ralph and jay are cheap, F5, ground up and in the freezer, etc.... etc.....etc..... Maybe we get rid of Jay and keep Ralph. Die Jay Die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) With all the poor play Mario Williams had before the bye, he has been a force since it... Williams is tied for 8th in the NFL with 9.5 sacks, only a half sack away from being tied for 5th... Seems the Williams haters wil have to go into hiding for a while... So we shouldn't trade him for AZ's second string QB? Edited December 5, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I was a critic. He was getting owned. Don't forget the Jets game where he was owned by a practice squad guy. He has exactly 1 sack in 4 division games, and that was against Miami. Big games against Cleveland, Arizona and Indy. I'm glad he's here. I loved the signing and I still think it was the right thing to do. But he has underpeformed. I don't see any other way to look at it. And I don't buy the wrist bullschit, either. He "got better" because we started playing crappy teams, and/or teams with rookie QBs. I don't know if I'd go that far. IDK if it was the wrist, getting re-acclimated to the game, or some combination of those, but he definitely looks faster, stronger, & quicker off the snap than he did early. Plus, as far as playing easier teams, it's kind of like the garbage time argument to explain good stats: ever team gets them. I agree his first half was lousy, but that just makes the numbers he has in spite of that all the more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 So we shouldn't trade him for AZ's second string QB? I think he might be their 3rd now behind Ryan '10-31 71 yards" Lindley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yes, the D is coming on, and mario is leading the improvement. But, the other guys are helping. New guy at d end is helping some, and Carrington is making a few plays. Others also contributing. And, the D line can get even better, I make Darius as hurting with a shoulder arm problem, would not be surprised to hear about off season surgery to correct whatever it is, since he is playing through the situation. Watch him closely, his arm is hanging a lot.....this is soph slump for cause in my view. Kelsay may have played his last game for the Bills. And who figured McKelvin would steady the secondary when given the CB start. Agreed. With Aaron Williams out of the lineup, the secondary isn't getting torched big time like it was when AW was starting opposite Gilmore. Speaking of Gilmore, he is getting better each week. I would love to see Brooks develop as well. IMO, Gilmore & Brooks have the potential to be a great pair of shutdown corners (similar to Revis & Cromartie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I don't know if I'd go that far. IDK if it was the wrist, getting re-acclimated to the game, or some combination of those, but he definitely looks faster, stronger, & quicker off the snap than he did early. Plus, as far as playing easier teams, it's kind of like the garbage time argument to explain good stats: ever team gets them. I agree his first half was lousy, but that just makes the numbers he has in spite of that all the more impressive. All very good points. He has looked better. I have no concerns that he CAN be an elite pass rusher. My only concern is that he has the competetive "fire" (for lack of a better term) to want to play that hard every single week. I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Maybe we get rid of Jay and keep Ralph. Die Jay Die. If I do happen to die today you're gonna feel really guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Nobody has mentioned the fact that Mario has been very very good against the run as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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