coseybedaman Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Too difficult to read your post....paragraphs are your friend. This team has plenty to weapons. More than we can use now. We Need a QB who can use the weapons we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 This team needs to take better advantage of the weapons it has. That starts with better coaching and a better QB. I don't care if we had 5 Megatrons, Fitz CAN NOT THROW THE DEEP BALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny3000 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Agree kind of, but its a little chicken and the egg. Some of those guys were developed and not necessarily expected to be elite from jump. Great QBs make their weapons elite. You could argue that Fitz helped make Stevie the weapon he is, but great QBs elevate more of their players. Good QBs may elevate a player or maybe 2. That's what we've got. A good QB, a HC who I like but might need to relinquish play calling to his actual OC to get his head out of the offensive weeds and into the 360 picture - doubt that tho.. It's a weird but not weird situation, thought we had finally turned the corner and were ready to compete but yet another buffalo head fake. I guess when you say it out loud, it's really not that weird at all but normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 5 megatrons and Fitz would still over/under throw them all day replace the qb now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Agree to some extent with the original poster. Our receivers do not scratch, claw and fight for the ball downfield. If it's not a perfect throw by FItz (and it rarely is)...they just give up or give little effort. I watched some other games yesterday and it stood out, especially for Green Bay and Atlanta that their receivers just go up and make plays...even on ugly passes that are well covered. They just make plays downfield. Our guys don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I thought thus thread was going to be about arming the defense with guns, knives, and clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I half agree with the OP. We do need better WRs. The thing is if we never throw the ball down field how do we know the WR can't catch them????? So now it is either Fitz unwilling to throw down field, or Gailey unwilling to let him throw down field. I case could me made that there isn't anyone open, but this is the NFL WR are rarely "open". Throw the ball and give your WR a chance to make a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Our 2 best weapons had a total of 12 touches yesterday. 12! Everyone talks about the two headed monster of a running game we have in the pregame every week and they each only got to run the ball 6 times. Weapons not needed; Coaching to your strengths is. Edited November 5, 2012 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) i suggest UzI's and UMP's.... id say a SAW but that seems like overkill for this situation Edited November 5, 2012 by PaattMaann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo_bills Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 CJ, Fjax, Stevie and Donald is turning into a nice WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 This team needs to take better advantage of the weapons it has. That starts with better coaching and a better QB. I don't care if we had 5 Megatrons, Fitz CAN NOT THROW THE DEEP BALL. He can, and he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloNick Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I agree that are WR are sub par but are QB is sub par too. With that being said, it starts with coaching and the GM. I am getting sick of hearing Chan say the same things after each and every game. Give it up and lets call a spade a spade. Lets be honest, I knew the staff over reacted when they gave Fitz his huge contract prior to the end of the season. No one in the NFL wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners. The two best players on this team are the first string RB and the second string RB, we still have no playmakers at WR and a tight end who is 6-7 but when he's not dropping passes plays like he's 6ft tall. We don't have the weapons not that teams fear but rather the QB knows he's always open. Gronkowski is of course the ultimate weapon, can't stop him and if and when Brady gets in trouble - Gronk's always open. To me Chan should have a ground and pound attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 He can, and he has. Yes he has thrown the deep ball, my apologies. I should have written that FITZ CAN NOT THROW THE DEEP BALL WITH ANY ACCURACY. He can't complete a pass over 30 yards to save his life. Seriously, when was the last time Fitz completed a go route for a TD? Does anyone know? I'm asking because I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 They're too easy to defend because defenses don't have to cover downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position. +1. And maybe we could use 1 or 3 linebackers.... But Fitz sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners. How do these guys become weapons? With a good quarterback. Give any elite quarterback in the league our offense around them and I promise you they would have no complaints. CJ and Freddy in the backfield? Stevie is constantly open, sure he drops a few but I have a feeling some of that comes from the fact that he has NO IDEA where the ball is gonna end up out of Fitzy's hands. Our WR YAC stat has to be absolutely abysmal. How many times do you see our WR falling to the ground, or having to stop their route in order to adjust to where the ball is. Fitzpatrick may have not thrown any INTs yesterday but he did not play a "good" game as you stated. Zero TD's in 60 minutes does not equal "good". 12 carries for our RBs does not equal "good". Coaching and QBing are our most pressing problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Use the freaking enter key, btw Fitz blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's the fans that need weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's the fans that need weapons. Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qblax16 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 CJ Spiller is a weapon... a 7.2 yards per carry weapon. I love Freddy, but this is the NFL. Gaily needs to have a quick sit down with Fred and say, you're a good guy, but this kid from Clemson is who we are going with the rest of the year. Two back system at a 75 - 25 split. Can't keep holding CJ back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 He can, and he has. I can. I have. It's the fans that need weapons. I got a good laugh from that one. My vote for post of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 CJ Spiller is a weapon... a 7.2 yards per carry weapon. I love Freddy, but this is the NFL. Gaily needs to have a quick sit down with Fred and say, you're a good guy, but this kid from Clemson is who we are going with the rest of the year. Two back system at a 75 - 25 split. Can't keep holding CJ back. Its my opinion that they are worried about CJ getting hurt if he carries the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i suggest UzI's and UMP's.... id say a SAW but that seems like overkill for this situation Give me my M-60 any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergonius Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Fitz sucks, you say we need more weapons but i dont think there are any 14ft tall receivers out there right now and since Fitz continues to put the ball where his WRs cant get it, it doesnt matter who we have. so stop kissing Fitzpatricks ass, he sucks admit it and lets move on and get a qb of the future in April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 What ever weapons we settle on, let's not pick tomatoes or rocks because we don't have anyone who can throw them far enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 5 megatrons and Fitz would still over/under throw them all day replace the qb now Oh come on. If all 5 Megtrons were in the same area of the field, even Fitz could hit one. It might not be the one he was aiming for, but he should hit one of them. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextera15 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I want to agree with you; however Fitz is not the answer at all. He is good to keep a team in the mix but not a true starter. He has tried and just doesn't have it. I'm not one to bash him as he can play much better than I but if we compare qb's he is not good enough. Look at the stats to see how and what makes him. Chan is doing what he can to give him better numbers but Chan and even Buddy know they need a qb. I also agree they need another receiver. Nelson seems to be a good target and when he was lost it showed as Fitz was on the same page with Nelson and that happens. But you can'r agrue that Fitz choked against the Jets and he choked against the pats. The defense did the same thing and I also think Wanny is gone this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 OK, I agree, this team needs weapons, but also they need a guy like Plaxico Burris to demonstrate proper use of the weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners. You lost me when you started defending Fitz. There is NO LOGICAL argument anyone can ever make to validate Fitz as a solution rather than a problem. Not one. I am also so sick and tired of whiney Fitz ball washers coming on here and the shout box every time Fitz FINALLY makes one good pass or FINALLY has a game where he doesnt turn the ball over 3+ times. His entire body of work says he is not good enough, and go back and watch the game yesterday. Look a the WIDE open SJ running to the sidelines on a route that would be good for a first down where Fitz has plenty of time and misses him by 7 yards forcing us to Punt rather than get a first down. He does that ALL the time. He is GROSSLY inaccurate, always has been, and has no touch on his deeper throws, under throws all the time when going down field, puts the ball in places that will get his receivers killed, misses wide open throws all the time, makes TERRIBLE decisions week in and week out that result in turnovers or punts, etc etc. Anyone who thinks he is not a problem on this team has no idea what a QB is supposed to look like or do out there. That is not even debatable. I mean even Nix is saying we need a true starting QB now. This guy is in no way good enough for this team. Is he the ONLY problem...of course not, but he is a MAJOR problem on this team. Tom Brady and McNabb led their teams to constant division titles, SB's, and SB trophies (Brady) with FAR less talent on their offense than we have, and yet our inept QB still gets excuses made for him as if its the talent around him as to why he sucks. Brady would have busted a nut to get someone like SJ on those SB teams...McNabb would have too considering he really only had one year with a true WR in TO and spent the rest of his career throwing to jokes like Fred Ex and Todd Pinkston. Steve Johnson would have been the #1 WR on all of NE SB victories, would have been the #1 WR on all of McNabbs teams except the one year he had TO on good behavior, and yet Fitz doesnt have enough weapons? Maybe, just Maybe, Fitz just isnt good enough to get the ball to his guys? Fitz sucked with a motivated and behaving TO and Evans to throw too...He sucked with Evans and SJ...He sucks with SJ and whoever else we roll out there. He just sucks way more often than he doesnt...and thats the cold hard facts. Edited November 6, 2012 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position. I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position. Agreed, what sticks in my mind the last few games is watching Stevie and others get wide open 15 yards down feild and the ball sailing out of bounds and 10 feet over their heads, you rarely see good QB's doing this unless the ball slips out of their hands or something, unacceptable! Edited November 6, 2012 by Tu-Toned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Naw we have weapons.. We don't have a quarterback.. You really like Shitz? Why? He cant throw a pass more than 5 yards, he can't complete a comeback, he can't motivate his team, he can barley scramble, he's very inaccurate. I mean why do you like him? Why do you want him as the Buffalo Bills QB. Im baffled right now, I just don't get it. Good QBs make there talent around them better.. example: Payton Manning 10' Edited November 6, 2012 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Switchblades,brass knuckles, nickel plated belt buckles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Good QBs make there talent around them better.. example: Payton Manning 10' Somehow, from the tone of the post-game interview, I don't think Fitzpicks has anywhere remotely close to the control over this offense that Peyton has over his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Switchblades,brass knuckles, nickel plated belt buckles? What is "Where the 40oz" for $300 Alex? Somehow, from the tone of the post-game interview, I don't think Fitzpicks has anywhere remotely close to the control over this offense that Peyton has over his. It doesn't matter about the control over the offense it's how he makes stars out of average players by placing the ball in the place that nobody but they can get it. Shitz puts it in a place nobody can get it... Edited November 6, 2012 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 It doesn't matter about the control over the offense it's how he makes stars out of average players by placing the ball in the place that nobody but they can get it. Shitz puts it in a place nobody can get it... The point is that Peyton gets his players in the right match-ups. You don't have to believe it, but it does make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrules Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Our 2 best weapons had a total of 12 touches yesterday. 12! Everyone talks about the two headed monster of a running game we have in the pregame every week and they each only got to run the ball 6 times. Weapons not needed; Coaching to your strengths is. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 What is "Where the 40oz" for $300 Alex? Very, Very good !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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