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I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners.

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Agree kind of, but its a little chicken and the egg. Some of those guys were developed and not necessarily expected to be elite from jump. Great QBs make their weapons elite. You could argue that Fitz helped make Stevie the weapon he is, but great QBs elevate more of their players. Good QBs may elevate a player or maybe 2. That's what we've got. A good QB, a HC who I like but might need to relinquish play calling to his actual OC to get his head out of the offensive weeds and into the 360 picture - doubt that tho.. It's a weird but not weird situation, thought we had finally turned the corner and were ready to compete but yet another buffalo head fake. I guess when you say it out loud, it's really not that weird at all but normal.

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Agree to some extent with the original poster. Our receivers do not scratch, claw and fight for the ball downfield. If it's not a perfect throw by FItz (and it rarely is)...they just give up or give little effort. I watched some other games yesterday and it stood out, especially for Green Bay and Atlanta that their receivers just go up and make plays...even on ugly passes that are well covered. They just make plays downfield. Our guys don't.

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I half agree with the OP. We do need better WRs. The thing is if we never throw the ball down field how do we know the WR can't catch them????? So now it is either Fitz unwilling to throw down field, or Gailey unwilling to let him throw down field. I case could me made that there isn't anyone open, but this is the NFL WR are rarely "open". Throw the ball and give your WR a chance to make a play.

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Our 2 best weapons had a total of 12 touches yesterday. 12! Everyone talks about the two headed monster of a running game we have in the pregame every week and they each only got to run the ball 6 times. Weapons not needed; Coaching to your strengths is.

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I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position.

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I agree that are WR are sub par but are QB is sub par too. With that being said, it starts with coaching and the GM. I am getting sick of hearing Chan say the same things after each and every game. Give it up and lets call a spade a spade. Lets be honest, I knew the staff over reacted when they gave Fitz his huge contract prior to the end of the season. No one in the NFL wanted him.

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I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners.

 

The two best players on this team are the first string RB and the second string RB, we still have no playmakers at WR and a tight end who is 6-7 but when he's not dropping passes plays like he's 6ft tall. We don't have the weapons not that teams fear but rather the QB knows he's always open. Gronkowski is of course the ultimate weapon, can't stop him and if and when Brady gets in trouble - Gronk's always open. To me Chan should have a ground and pound attack

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He can, and he has.

Yes he has thrown the deep ball, my apologies. I should have written that FITZ CAN NOT THROW THE DEEP BALL WITH ANY ACCURACY. He can't complete a pass over 30 yards to save his life. Seriously, when was the last time Fitz completed a go route for a TD? Does anyone know? I'm asking because I don't know

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I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position.

 

+1. And maybe we could use 1 or 3 linebackers.... But Fitz sucks.

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I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners.

 

How do these guys become weapons? With a good quarterback. Give any elite quarterback in the league our offense around them and I promise you they would have no complaints. CJ and Freddy in the backfield? Stevie is constantly open, sure he drops a few but I have a feeling some of that comes from the fact that he has NO IDEA where the ball is gonna end up out of Fitzy's hands. Our WR YAC stat has to be absolutely abysmal. How many times do you see our WR falling to the ground, or having to stop their route in order to adjust to where the ball is. Fitzpatrick may have not thrown any INTs yesterday but he did not play a "good" game as you stated. Zero TD's in 60 minutes does not equal "good". 12 carries for our RBs does not equal "good". Coaching and QBing are our most pressing problems.

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CJ Spiller is a weapon... a 7.2 yards per carry weapon. I love Freddy, but this is the NFL. Gaily needs to have a quick sit down with Fred and say, you're a good guy, but this kid from Clemson is who we are going with the rest of the year.

 

Two back system at a 75 - 25 split. Can't keep holding CJ back.

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CJ Spiller is a weapon... a 7.2 yards per carry weapon. I love Freddy, but this is the NFL. Gaily needs to have a quick sit down with Fred and say, you're a good guy, but this kid from Clemson is who we are going with the rest of the year.

 

Two back system at a 75 - 25 split. Can't keep holding CJ back.

 

Its my opinion that they are worried about CJ getting hurt if he carries the load.

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Fitz sucks, you say we need more weapons but i dont think there are any 14ft tall receivers out there right now and since Fitz continues to put the ball where his WRs cant get it, it doesnt matter who we have. so stop kissing Fitzpatricks ass, he sucks admit it and lets move on and get a qb of the future in April

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5 megatrons and Fitz would still over/under throw them all day

 

:thumbdown: replace the qb now

Oh come on. If all 5 Megtrons were in the same area of the field, even Fitz could hit one. It might not be the one he was aiming for, but he should hit one of them. LOL.

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I want to agree with you; however Fitz is not the answer at all. He is good to keep a team in the mix but not a true starter. He has tried and just doesn't have it. I'm not one to bash him as he can play much better than I but if we compare qb's he is not good enough. Look at the stats to see how and what makes him. Chan is doing what he can to give him better numbers but Chan and even Buddy know they need a qb. I also agree they need another receiver. Nelson seems to be a good target and when he was lost it showed as Fitz was on the same page with Nelson and that happens. But you can'r agrue that Fitz choked against the Jets and he choked against the pats. The defense did the same thing and I also think Wanny is gone this year as well.

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I am so sick of everyone blaming Fitzpatrick for this team being terrible. Fitzpatrick played a really good game yesterday against the best defense in the NFL. However, this laughing stock of a receiving corps we have on this team is just embarrassing. I cant stand how the blame is always on the QB when there is no shots down field in this offense, there is no receivers who can make big plays, and there are no receivers on this team that dont drop balls that are right in their hands. Ive got news guys. TEAMS DONT WIN WITH STEVIE JOHNSON, DONALD JONES, TJ GRAHAM, and SCOTT CHANDLER! They win with Julio Jones, Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Rob Gronkowski, etc etc etc. Everyone expects Fitzpatrick to be a top level QB with low level talent around him. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN THE NFL GUYS! You can draft all the first round QBs you want, but as long as guys like Mike Jenkins, Golden Tate, Cecil Shorts, Brian Hartline, are the "go to guys" they will NEVER PAN OUT! Virtually 99.9% of the elite QBs in the NFL were not able to become elite until they had weapons. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, the list goes on and on. Lets draft the next Russell Wilson, Christian Ponder, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, etc etc. We will all be sitting here in 3 years wondering why they didnt turn us into winners.

 

You lost me when you started defending Fitz. There is NO LOGICAL argument anyone can ever make to validate Fitz as a solution rather than a problem. Not one. I am also so sick and tired of whiney Fitz ball washers coming on here and the shout box every time Fitz FINALLY makes one good pass or FINALLY has a game where he doesnt turn the ball over 3+ times. His entire body of work says he is not good enough, and go back and watch the game yesterday. Look a the WIDE open SJ running to the sidelines on a route that would be good for a first down where Fitz has plenty of time and misses him by 7 yards forcing us to Punt rather than get a first down. He does that ALL the time. He is GROSSLY inaccurate, always has been, and has no touch on his deeper throws, under throws all the time when going down field, puts the ball in places that will get his receivers killed, misses wide open throws all the time, makes TERRIBLE decisions week in and week out that result in turnovers or punts, etc etc.

 

Anyone who thinks he is not a problem on this team has no idea what a QB is supposed to look like or do out there. That is not even debatable. I mean even Nix is saying we need a true starting QB now. This guy is in no way good enough for this team.

 

Is he the ONLY problem...of course not, but he is a MAJOR problem on this team. Tom Brady and McNabb led their teams to constant division titles, SB's, and SB trophies (Brady) with FAR less talent on their offense than we have, and yet our inept QB still gets excuses made for him as if its the talent around him as to why he sucks. Brady would have busted a nut to get someone like SJ on those SB teams...McNabb would have too considering he really only had one year with a true WR in TO and spent the rest of his career throwing to jokes like Fred Ex and Todd Pinkston. Steve Johnson would have been the #1 WR on all of NE SB victories, would have been the #1 WR on all of McNabbs teams except the one year he had TO on good behavior, and yet Fitz doesnt have enough weapons? Maybe, just Maybe, Fitz just isnt good enough to get the ball to his guys?

 

Fitz sucked with a motivated and behaving TO and Evans to throw too...He sucked with Evans and SJ...He sucks with SJ and whoever else we roll out there. He just sucks way more often than he doesnt...and thats the cold hard facts.

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I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position.

I disagree with the OP completely. When your QB is completely useless throwing passes over 15 yards you're offense is easy to gameplan against. Sure, we could have had a couple extra first downs if our recievers made a couple easy catches, but we still would have lost. We were in the scoring position a few times yesterday and I can't remember one throw into the end zone. That's because our QB sucks and refuse to let him throw into the end zone. I don't blame them either. The guy has ZERO touch. He's ok at firing a 1-10 yard pass, but any pass thrown with a trajectory is a duck with no accuracy. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Our QB is limited and additional weapons would be a waste until we upgrade the position.

Agreed, what sticks in my mind the last few games is watching Stevie and others get wide open 15 yards down feild

and the ball sailing out of bounds and 10 feet over their heads, you rarely see good QB's doing this unless the ball

slips out of their hands or something, unacceptable!

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Naw we have weapons.. We don't have a quarterback.. You really like Shitz? Why? He cant throw a pass more than 5 yards, he can't complete a comeback, he can't motivate his team, he can barley scramble, he's very inaccurate. I mean why do you like him? Why do you want him as the Buffalo Bills QB. Im baffled right now, I just don't get it.

 

Good QBs make there talent around them better.. example: Payton Manning 10'

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Switchblades,brass knuckles, nickel plated belt buckles?

 

What is "Where the 40oz" for $300 Alex?

 

Somehow, from the tone of the post-game interview, I don't think Fitzpicks has anywhere remotely close to the control over this offense that Peyton has over his.

 

It doesn't matter about the control over the offense it's how he makes stars out of average players by placing the ball in the place that nobody but they can get it. Shitz puts it in a place nobody can get it...

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It doesn't matter about the control over the offense it's how he makes stars out of average players by placing the ball in the place that nobody but they can get it. Shitz puts it in a place nobody can get it...

 

The point is that Peyton gets his players in the right match-ups. You don't have to believe it, but it does make a difference.

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Our 2 best weapons had a total of 12 touches yesterday. 12! Everyone talks about the two headed monster of a running game we have in the pregame every week and they each only got to run the ball 6 times. Weapons not needed; Coaching to your strengths is.

 

This!

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