ThurmasThoman Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 No head coach has won a Super Bowl with more than one team. A few have taken multiple teams to a SB (Parcells, Vermeil, Shula, etc) however. Hmmmm... this is quite remarkable, never knew this to be the case. I think there are 2 ways one could look at this data: either a) winning a championship is an incredibly lucky conflux of the right qb, the right coach, the right coordinators, the right schedule, the right division, the right season, the right calls by the refs, and the right bounces of a ball--something that a "system" may be able to recreate several times (ie, a dynasty, like the early 2000 patriots) but something that is nearly impossible to recreate in difference scenarios (like scott pioli, from said patriots dynasty, going to the chiefs.) or b) this is just a random statistical anomoly, one that has occurred because coaches have either retired shortly after winning a ring (vermiel,) have stuck around for awhile with the same team after winning a ring, but never wanted to go elsewhere (shula,) or, have taken over incredibly bad teams because of their "i can fix anything and win anywhere" ego, and because the teams have been so bad, they were behind the 8 ball from the get go. I tend to think it's more of a "b" scenario, and eventually, the odds will even out, and a coach who has won a super bowl with one team, will win one with a different organization. its sort of like walking into a casino, sitting down at the roulette table, and hearing that the number 23 has never, EVER, hit. wouldnt you put a good deal of chips on 23? because of that, it behooves us to go after a super bowl winning coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Hmmmm... this is quite remarkable, never knew this to be the case. I think there are 2 ways one could look at this data: either a) winning a championship is an incredibly lucky conflux of the right qb, the right coach, the right coordinators, the right schedule, the right division, the right season, the right calls by the refs, and the right bounces of a ball--something that a "system" may be able to recreate several times (ie, a dynasty, like the early 2000 patriots) but something that is nearly impossible to recreate in difference scenarios (like scott pioli, from said patriots dynasty, going to the chiefs.) or b) this is just a random statistical anomoly, one that has occurred because coaches have either retired shortly after winning a ring (vermiel,) have stuck around for awhile with the same team after winning a ring, but never wanted to go elsewhere (shula,) or, have taken over incredibly bad teams because of their "i can fix anything and win anywhere" ego, and because the teams have been so bad, they were behind the 8 ball from the get go. I tend to think it's more of a "b" scenario, and eventually, the odds will even out, and a coach who has won a super bowl with one team, will win one with a different organization. its sort of like walking into a casino, sitting down at the roulette table, and hearing that the number 23 has never, EVER, hit. wouldnt you put a good deal of chips on 23? because of that, it behooves us to go after a super bowl winning coach. Both. A system can leave you more likely to win it all but it still takes a ton to go right in what isn't a huge window of time. It would take a young coach to win one, run out his time with that team (atleast a few more years) come back to another team, and have everything go right relatively quickly. When you couple that with single elimination playoffs, a lot of luck needed, and even coaches normally demanding too much personnel authority which isn't the way they got the first.... A second is tough with a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Not so fast, my friend.... NFL says it has made no determination on Sean Payton’s contract status for 2013 The league’s official statement, via Albert Breer of NFL Network, takes no position on Payton’s status beyond 2012. “Our office has made no determination on Sean Payton’s contract status with the Saints for next year,” the league told Breer. “All contracts between clubs and their employees must be approved by the Commissioner, and we do not comment on specific terms of individual contracts.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/04/nfl-says-it-has-made-no-determination-on-sean-paytons-contract-status-for-2013/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Nix has already said Chan has another year to right the ship. This is moot unless the team completely crashes and burns, which I don't think is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbillsfan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 And the next coach of the Dallas cowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) No head coach has won a Super Bowl with more than one team. A few have taken multiple teams to a SB (Parcells, Vermeil, Shula, etc) however. Didnt Vermeil do it with Philly? Edit: just looked it up. Guess not. Wow. I'm baffled by this stat as well. Edited November 4, 2012 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) Not so fast, my friend.... NFL says it has made no determination on Sean Payton’s contract status for 2013 The league’s official statement, via Albert Breer of NFL Network, takes no position on Payton’s status beyond 2012. “Our office has made no determination on Sean Payton’s contract status with the Saints for next year,” the league told Breer. “All contracts between clubs and their employees must be approved by the Commissioner, and we do not comment on specific terms of individual contracts.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/04/nfl-says-it-has-made-no-determination-on-sean-paytons-contract-status-for-2013/ Yup - like I said, 14 months after signing the leagues saying "maaaaaybe" That's ridiculous. It's been over a year without an answer Edited November 4, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Ok, a few things. 1st... There is absolutely no way in hell Payton comes here. Not because of the state of the organization, not because of the city, but because he could go back to Dallas. 2nd... I read the whole article and I still don't get the whole situation. Was it me or was this thing written terribly? Is he a FA because the NFL said he was? Or because he wants to be? There's a difference. I get that the contract is or would be voided part. But that doesn't mean anything if Payton wants to stay in New Orleans and they want him back. 3rd... I called it when all this was going down originally. Not that his contract would be voided by the NFL but that it would be voided by the Saints. Either way, if he doesn't come back to the Saints, he would not be asked to come back. The whole situation with the bounty is a mess, and I'm sure there is a ton of information that we and the media are not privy to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) Nix has already said Chan has another year to right the ship. This is moot unless the team completely crashes and burns, which I don't think is going to happen. You mean like last year's 1-8 finish? Well, going 1-9 in 2008 didn't get Jauron fired, so even crashing and burning probably means the same cast returns next year. Edited November 4, 2012 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Does anyone here really think would the Bills fire Chan Gailey after we win our first Superbowl, just to hire Sean Payton??? GO BILLSSS!!!! 15 and 4 baby!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He has won a championship, I think there are only a few coaches who have won a superbowl with more then one team. Plus, I look at the situation he had in New Orleans and wonder what assistants would want to work with him. We don't have Brees and I do not want us reaching arm over leg to try to find one and being set back. Plus, without Williams, his defenses sucked. Actually, with Williams, his defense absolutely sucked. Anyway, there's not enough Vicodin all of Buffalo to lure Payton here. But as much of an A-hole he is, I would take him in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Bring the Brees with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Yup - like I said, 14 months after signing the leagues saying "maaaaaybe" That's ridiculous. It's been over a year without an answer http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8592214/sean-payton-deal-new-orleans-saints-voided-nfl-sources-say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 That would mean they would have to pay him. Got luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Getter done Nix....err Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Maybe there will be a domino effect. He'll go somewhere and that coach gets fired, then that coach goes somewhere so another coach gets fired, etc. After about 10 coaches get fired, maybe one of them will agree to come to Buffalo. We'll undoubtedly get the one no one else wants. That seems to be how we role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) We'll undoubtedly get the one no one else wants. That seems to be how we role. For !@#$'s sake, its roll. It's not even being a grammar nazi; this stuff isn't hard. Edited November 5, 2012 by Offsides Number 76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 For !@#$'s sake, its roll. It's not even being a grammar nazi; this stuff isn't hard. Whoops. Too many beers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgbe Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Am I the only one tipsy and not at all phased by the bills loss today? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Per Adam Schefter on twitter. http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=8592214 Now THAT would be an acceptable head coaching candidate to me. If we get a real QB maybe he will, but Nix will have to go to bc he plans on sticking with Chan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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