Malazan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) I guess the "to valuable" part is something I just don't see. He sucks as a kickoff returner wait let me rephrase that he Really sucks The wildcat a silly overpriced fad gimmick. 3rd and 1: Wildcat had a 60% success rate. Smith was only stopped one time. 3rd and 2: Wildcat was 100% successful. You are welcome to keep denying the numbers all you want. It doesn't change them. I'd like to meet the NFL coach who if you told him, you had a 3rd down back that was just under %100 on 3rd and 2 or less, that he'd think 4 million a year is a dealbreaker. It was a bad decision to overpay this guy. Show me his value at his salary level. it's not there. That's why the Jets let him walk. Why is this a concern? He's producing on 3rd down when he is called on. If you cut every player that didn't live up to their contract, there would be very few players. Mario Williams is unlikely to ever live up to his contract, should we cut him? It's not my $$$$ but it could be added to the Merriman savings to land a receiver or someone not pulled out of the dumpster. Who's this receiver that was unavailable to the Bills due to money? Edited August 24, 2012 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Bills fans are cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhickedWilliams Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 This is the first year Channix has the chance to implement smith into the offense 100%, cast judgments after this season. Be reasonable, and just hate on thiggy-pen-boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Belucheese Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 no one has addressed whether keeping Brad Smith is more important than Potter's leg or VY's bombs down the field. If we can keep the opposition pinned at the twenty we can take risks w our blitz and line stunts. I thought our major concern has been Defense. Do we want a kick off specialist that keeps Brady and company on thier own 20 to start their series? The wild cat has been successful but what about an offense that doesnt need it or simply aintain it w/ Young? its about the trade off not necessarily the effectivness of the wild cat on 3rd and short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 He actually has quite a gift for getting yards. He also has a fun-to-watch ability to be deceptively fast. I just looked at a highlight reel--he's elusive. Maybe he just hasn't been used effectively for the Bills. Seems to me he's simply a Swiss Army knife--WR, HB, KR--and not a backup QB. I'm inclined to wait and see what he delivers next season. Chan on Brad: http://www.nfl.com/v...-and-Brad-Smith Jets highlight reel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKUkffXl6Sg (several against the Bills). These Brad Smith highlights are awesome. He looked nothing like that last year. In that video, he was hitting the hole fast, breaking tackles, outrunning defenders, etc. He even zipped in a nice TD pass (against the Bills). If he does that for us, that's great. If he played like he did last year, he needs to go. We don't need someone who can run for 2 yards per carry. We need the guy in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 The wild cat has been successful but what about an offense that doesnt need it or simply aintain it w/ Young? its about the trade off not necessarily the effectivness of the wild cat on 3rd and short. That offense does not exist outside of imagination. I'd be interested in more theories on it though and how those theories compare and contract to the stats from last year. If he played like he did last year, he needs to go. We don't need someone who can run for 2 yards per carry. We need the guy in the video. Every NFL coach disagrees with you. Every team needs the guy who can pickup 3rd and 2. Teams often have a 3rd down specialist. I notice that instead of bringing up stats and numbers, you're relying on the 'feeling' argument and also ignoring the question of what does getting rid of him, 'gain'. How does *not* having Brad Smith in the 3rd QB slot help. You're proposing to remove him for Tyler Thigpen (please note, his roster spot is Thigpen's spot. The Kicker, Potter will not take the '3rd QB spot'. If it's not Brad Smith, it's Tyler Thigpen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 no one has addressed whether keeping Brad Smith is more important than Potter's leg or VY's bombs down the field. If we can keep the opposition pinned at the twenty we can take risks w our blitz and line stunts. I thought our major concern has been Defense. Do we want a kick off specialist that keeps Brady and company on thier own 20 to start their series? The wild cat has been successful but what about an offense that doesnt need it or simply aintain it w/ Young? its about the trade off not necessarily the effectivness of the wild cat on 3rd and short. Yeah, Potter's leg is an interesting issue. Do you keep one less OL? One less LB? What positional depth do you sacrifice for long kickoffs? Gailey probably won't give up the #3 QB position which is unique. If the NFL is going to allow you suit up an extra player on game day as long as that player is your emergency (#3) QB, then you ought to take advantage of that. We cannot call Potter or some RB the #3 QB. The NFL wouldn't allow it. The #3 QB has to be an actual QB. That's why Nix quickly went after Brad Smith and paid him a pretty penny. We get a guy we can legitimately label our #3 QB but will get on the field in other ways. I'm really impressed that the Bills immediately understood the possibilities of the new rule and took advantage of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) It's that all the talk about Brad Smith as the #3 QB was a half-truth at best. Smith has never impressed me. What has he done to earn such a certain spot on the roster? He's a below average receiver, an average Wild Cat QB, above average at best, and a below average QB. If Fitz were to be injured right now, who would start? Thigpen. I know he's nothing to get excited about but he knows the offense and can get you through a few games. Brad Smith at QB? No, not going to help you. Jackson is going to need at least four weeks to truly get up to speed enough to actually start a game. Besides, how many reps have we seen Smith take at WR and QB? He didn't even get many reps at camp despite a lot of talk about it. I'm not sure what his value is on the roster and I suspect that he will be the "surprise cut" this year. It'll be Fitz, Jackson, Thigpen. I had hoped we'd draft a QB in this last draft and I know the Bills intended to but their guy(s) were taken before they had a chance, according to Nix after the draft, but I hope they learned a lesson there. If you like a guy at QB, you have to be willing to pay up to make sure you get him. The Bills need a good young strong-armed prospect to serve as a backup... Edited August 31, 2012 by nodnarb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I expect him to make the team....then get cut in a couple weeks when tjack is familiar with the playbook. Cutting thigpen at this point would be a mistake IMO (even though I believe he stinks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Gailey said after the game tonight that the QB situation has not changed at all concerning Brad Smith, who will be the #3, even after the groin injury which he said was not serious although they are going to look at him again tomorrow morning. How many times can Gailey and Nix say the exact same thing before people believe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's that all the talk about Brad Smith as the #3 QB was a half-truth at best. Smith has never impressed me. What has he done to earn such a certain spot on the roster? He's a below average receiver, an average Wild Cat QB, above average at best, and a below average QB. If Fitz were to be injured right now, who would start? Thigpen. I know he's nothing to get excited about but he knows the offense and can get you through a few games. Brad Smith at QB? No, not going to help you. Jackson is going to need at least four weeks to truly get up to speed enough to actually start a game. Besides, how many reps have we seen Smith take at WR and QB? He didn't even get many reps at camp despite a lot of talk about it. I'm not sure what his value is on the roster and I suspect that he will be the "surprise cut" this year. It'll be Fitz, Jackson, Thigpen. I had hoped we'd draft a QB in this last draft and I know the Bills intended to but their guy(s) were taken before they had a chance, according to Nix after the draft, but I hope they learned a lesson there. If you like a guy at QB, you have to be willing to pay up to make sure you get him. The Bills need a good young strong-armed prospect to serve as a backup... I think you should have titled it surprise cuts. As it stands it looks like surprise to make the roster. Anyway Smith stinks and they should trade him if possible if not cut him and TJ run the wild cat. Another surprise cut could be kirk Morrison, not that he is bad but they may want to keep the younger guys who are less expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeyBomb Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I am truly unsure if he makes the team or not. But I hope he doesn't. He didn't help his chances this offseason that's for sure. Has the guy ever made much of an impact besides a short yardage RB specialist in the wild-cat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I think you should have titled it surprise cuts. As it stands it looks like surprise to make the roster. Anyway Smith stinks and they should trade him if possible if not cut him and TJ run the wild cat. Another surprise cut could be kirk Morrison, not that he is bad but they may want to keep the younger guys who are less expensive Agree about Morrison. What has he really done since he's been here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 having smith allows us to keep " potential prospects" he is the emergency 3rd qb, special teams, wildcat, rb, wr, etc... you guys act like everyone should be a star, thats not the point with smith, its being smart about ur roster... ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Pressure to carry 4 QBs (given how decent Thigpen looked, and how green Jackson is, + Chan's commitment to keep Smith), and desire to keep more WRs on the 53 gets Lindell waived in favor of Potter. Keeping 2 kickers is stupid. Take the guy who isn't limited, especially with the shorter kickoff rules. Potter's a perfect 8 for 8 on no returns. Edited August 31, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Pressure to carry 4 QBs (given how decent Thigpen looked, and how green Jackson is, + Chan's commitment to keep Smith), and desire to keep more WRs on the 53 gets Lindell waived in favor of Potter. Keeping 2 kickers is stupid. Take the guy who isn't limited, especially with the shorter kickoff rules. Potter's a perfect 8 for 8 on no returns. Potter's accuracy on field goals is way under Lindell's so they both stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 zero chance the cut lindell. in fact its less that zero. its negative zero divided by zero for a team trying to break a bakers dozen playoff jinx you dont put game on the line kicks in the hands of a rookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 suprise player not cut- thigpen suprise player cut- gonna say dwan edwards. dont think that will happen, but carrington looked better vs detroit, and has more upside, and power/size... carrington as the 4th dt is just as good and allows us to keep the upside of gilbert as ur 9th swing dlineman... dwan was playing late in the 4th, and spencer was not so.... thats my suspicion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 zero chance the cut lindell. in fact its less that zero. its negative zero divided by zero for a team trying to break a bakers dozen playoff jinx you dont put game on the line kicks in the hands of a rookie The guys a kick off liability and its not he's always Mr clutch either. Has had his share of misses. If you have to tie up another roster spot to offset his weakness I'd sure as heck be looking elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Personally, I would cut B Smith. He is a third string QB who can't throw the ball, a return man who is slow (probably the third or fourth best returner on the team), a WR with no speed and mediocre route running and the team's second best wildcat RB (after F Jackson). He makes a ton of money for this. The only reason that he is "versatile" is because Gailey uses him in all these roles, not because he is good at them. I would also think hard about keeping Potter. On average, the Bills opponents started their drives on the 21 yard line last season. Is one yard really worth a roster spot? I would also cut McGee. The guy has just broken down physically. I know all these guys are supposed to make the team, but can the Bills really keep 4 QBs, 2 kickers and a DB who will only play half the season (at best)? What will happen to the young, developing players at the other positions? Edited August 31, 2012 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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