FleaMoulds80 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) He's already stated that the reason he wants out is not contract related. I'm pretty sure that he's not happy with his role in this offense. He sees an ineffective QB and he probably sees that team going nowhere with the Packers, Lions, and Bears in that division. I dont think it'll happen but this would be great. Just the thought of Stevie, Harvin, Nelson, Graham, and Donald Jones out wide is pretty amazing. Edited August 17, 2012 by FleaMoulds80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I don't think it's happening, and I'm not sure if we want to rock the boat. I think our WRs are good enough for the system we run, I think TJ has the potential to be a similar playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) 2009 - 15 games played 2010 - 14 games played 2011 - 16 games played might wanna check your facts... He has played most of his games but those numbers are very misleading. I had him on some fantasy teams and followed him a lot and he wouldn't play the whole game, or he was hurt and still played and was ineffective, or was suffering from something and still got in the game. Granted, that was more the case in his first couple years than last year. Edited August 17, 2012 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 2009 - 15 games played 2010 - 14 games played 2011 - 16 games played might wanna check your facts... Good call. I knew he misses practices on occasion because of the headaches, but I think he has only missed a game or two. Last I heard he hasn't had that problem in a year or so that they found out the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Ill preface this with saying hes a GREAT athlete, but ill cave and give the run down on past incidents (and ill add migraines as a worry thats not behavior related - but also not as big as many think with him missing 3 games total from them, not the 3-8 per season earlier accused of) Kicked out of high school athletics in the state of virginia for a number of fights (suspended as a junior for unsportsmanlike conduct, again as a senior for contacting an official then banned due to a MAJOR fight that had to have a game called early because it was such a mess) Major issues with work ethic and authority at UF including choking a coach http://thevikingage.com/2012/04/10/percy-harvin-choked-his-receivers-coach-to-the-ground-at-florida/ tested positive for drugs at UF tested positive for drugs at the combine was accused of faking/exaggerating injuries by childress, at one point had to be seperated from him in a very heated argument over randy moss being traded, which was described as on the verge of coming to blows(i know, its brad childress and hes had issues too) just a cliff notes.... Edited August 17, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 From what I know, that quote from Bob's twitter is flat wrong. The Bills are not getting tired of Brad Smith one bit, in fact they are largely increasing his role. As far as Harvin goes, I have mixed feelings. He is a huge talent. He is not the kind of guy that Gailey and Nix have been assembling on this team though, and those kind of guys IMO are going to have a huge effect on the quality of the team over the next few years. Nelson needs to play in the slot to be effective, so Harvin would need to start as an outside WR for the Bills to utilize him enough, and I'm not sure he can do that. Sure he can play inside sometimes, and we often use two slot receivers, but that would greatly limit Chandler being on the field, and hinder Graham's ascension. I would imagine that Gailey would love a player like Harvin in theory. But because we already have a problem with how many balls are going to go to Fred Ex and Spiller, it may be a luxury we cannot afford, because those carries out the backfield are likely not to happen as much on the Bills. Not to mention that we already have a lot of high level returners. I like Harvin and his skill set. I wouldn't mind him at all. But I doubt the Bills go after him strong, even if his on the block rumor is true. Nix would for sure look into it, he would have to. But he also values his draft picks so much it's hard to imagine him giving anything up. Plus we need to re-sign Byrd, Levitre and Urbik. Totally agree. I'd rather have Byrd-Levitre than risk Harvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) True, but I don't see him as a Santonio Holmes type player. I met Santonio when he came into our offense a couple years ago and I could tell off the bat he had an EEEEGGGOOOOOOOO. To the millionth degree. Honestly Percy's been good and staying out of trouble as of late so why not? Winning cures a lot. If we can find a way to make his contract work, it'll be fine i think. he got in a fight with his coaches where he had to be seperated as it was described as being on the verge of coming to blows, and was accused of playing up injuries to get out of practice like a year ago. and thats not to mention the issues with missing events with "the flu" his rookie year... the stuff has never stopped. i can only imagine what we will hear once hes out of the organization and they dont have to protect their own reputations. and percy has had these issues while putting up state records in Virginia athletics, winning championships with UF, and going to the NFC championship with the vikings. winning has allowed coaches to enable his behavior and made it much worse, if anything. Edited August 17, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Well if Incarcerated Bob says it's true, book it. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 minny isnt getting the best out of him and i do agree that harvin in a offense under gailey would be pretty damn exciting. but im not sure the bill want to trade a high pick for him. i get the impression they value those picks a great deal. i could see a 3rd and some players maybe even a 4th and players. but minny is gonna get the short end. disgruntled players in final year of his contract and wanting big money and out of team. even tho hes a really solid player they wont get that much for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Great player. However, he has been a head case dating back to high school. He also has a hard time staying healthy. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 He has played most of his games but those numbers are very misleading. I had him on some fantasy teams and followed him a lot and he wouldn't play the whole game, or he was hurt and still played and was ineffective, or was suffering from something and still got in the game. Granted, that was more the case in his first couple years than last year. Let's see: The last three years average: Percy Harvin: 15 games 73 receptions 875 yards 6 touchdowns -also had 4 return TDs and 2 rushing TDs Stevie Johnson: 12 games 53 receptions 696 yards 5.6 Touchdowns Like someone else said, might wanna look up the stats before you make factly statements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Let's see: The last three years average: Percy Harvin: 15 games 73 receptions 875 yards 6 touchdowns -also had 4 return TDs and 2 rushing TDs Stevie Johnson: 12 games 53 receptions 696 yards 5.6 Touchdowns Like someone else said, might wanna look up the stats before you make factly statements yea, averaging stevie over 3 years was the way to establish a genuine comparison. good work there. this has to be one of the most intentionally intellectually dishonest posts ive seen in a while. lots of guys make mistakes based on reputations, or things they thought they heard, but using a season that stevie wasnt a starter is pretty blatantly manipulating the facts just for the sake of winning an argument. over the last 2 years stevies averages drop him around 80 catches about 1050 yards per season and 8.5 tds i believe amazing what happens when you drop one that he had 2 catches for 10 yards in. Edited August 17, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 You on crack? If we're in the market for a WR in next year's draft (which we will be), i'd fork over a 2nd round and something else for Percy. He can lineup ANYWHERE. RB, QB, WR, kick returns, punt returns. I've always said the Vikings are misusing him. They don't know how to use him and that's probably why he's growing frustrated up there. Who can blame him? He's better than any WR coming out of next year's draft and more versatile and he's still young. Just imagine what we could do with Spiller, Jackson and Percy. Chan would have a field day with those 3. I agree. I'd trade a 2nd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Let's see: The last three years average: Percy Harvin: 15 games 73 receptions 875 yards 6 touchdowns -also had 4 return TDs and 2 rushing TDs Stevie Johnson: 12 games 53 receptions 696 yards 5.6 Touchdowns Like someone else said, might wanna look up the stats before you make factly statements This has nothing to do with what Kelly the Dog had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 If it could be a conditional 4th that could bump up to a 3rd if Harvin plays all 16 and makes the probowl I am fine with it. If its going to be a 2nd pass. The Jets will likely overpay and give up a 2nd and a big contract for the guy. Its sad how desperate the Jets are for WR help. But if the price is right Harvin could be worth a gamble, he is exactly what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 This has nothing to do with what Kelly the Dog had to say. Not sure how you figure? Especially since he said: I had him on some fantasy teams and followed him a lot and he wouldn't play the whole game, or he was hurt and still played and was ineffective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Take it for what its worth, but incarcerated bob on twitter reports that the Bills are one of the teams in on Percy Harvin. **BREAKING NFL NEWS**Source: Vikings actively *SHOPPING* Harvin (Will not come cheap) Jets Front Runners! Cowboys/Browns/Bills also in it Is that supposed to be a link up there? Doesn't work.... Bleacher Report sez: "So there is a rumor—I won't be linking to it because the source isn't one I trust—that the Vikings were considering or working on a trade of Percy Harvin to the New York Jets." When a Bleacher Report piece starts out with "rumor" "source isn't one I trust", I wouldn't get all hot and bothered about the notion either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ill preface this with saying hes a GREAT athlete, but ill cave and give the run down on past incidents (and ill add migraines as a worry thats not behavior related - but also not as big as many think with him missing 3 games total from them, not the 3-8 per season earlier accused of) Kicked out of high school athletics in the state of virginia for a number of fights (suspended as a junior for unsportsmanlike conduct, again as a senior for contacting an official then banned due to a MAJOR fight that had to have a game called early because it was such a mess) Major issues with work ethic and authority at UF including choking a coach http://thevikingage....und-at-florida/ tested positive for drugs at UF tested positive for drugs at the combine was accused of faking/exaggerating injuries by childress, at one point had to be seperated from him in a very heated argument over randy moss being traded, which was described as on the verge of coming to blows(i know, its brad childress and hes had issues too) just a cliff notes.... Childress has to be the worst coach in the NFL. Who wouldn't want to get off the sinking Vikings ship. They are going NO WHERE in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 yea, averaging stevie over 3 years was the way to establish a genuine comparison. good work there. this has to be one of the most intentionally intellectually dishonest posts ive seen in a while. lots of guys make mistakes based on reputations, or things they thought they heard, but using a season that stevie wasnt a starter is pretty blatantly manipulating the facts just for the sake of winning an argument. over the last 2 years stevies averages drop him around 80 catches about 1050 yards per season and 8.5 tds i believe amazing what happens when you drop one that he had 2 catches for 10 yards. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Not sure how you figure? Especially since he said: I had him on some fantasy teams and followed him a lot and he wouldn't play the whole game, or he was hurt and still played and was ineffective So why are you even comparing Stevie with Percy? First of all, Stevie in 2009 played 5 games for a total of 10 yds so that'll throw off his average. If you want a fair comparison, average out the last 2 years and Stevie's numbers are a lot better than Percy. So whats the point of this comparison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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