jjmac Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I can't believe the posters that actually would want Buddy to give up more than the Redskins did to move up to #2. We need those #1s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Anyone care to wager which team is farther ahead 5 years down the road? The Rams will be making playoff appearances and Washington will be chasing the next big name FA. The Redskins have turned into Raiders east. This is my opinion. RGIII may end up amazing, but an amazing QB on a ****ty team isn't going to be all that great. The Rams now have two first round picks for the next 2-3 years (depending on the report), and they'll likely be pretty high picks for a year or two. They'll be picking up solid young talent if they draft right pretty damned quickly. I can't believe the posters that actually would want Buddy to give up more than the Redskins did to move up to #2. We need those #1s. I agree with this. It would be nice to get an awesome prospect, but at what cost? Football is a team game, we have various needs *now*, a QB isn't high on the list. No one seems to remember that our offense was doing pretty good before injuries set in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 so in order to move up they swap number 1's this year. the premium paid to move up is an additional two #1's and a #2. if this was for Andrew Luck...i would do it in a heartbeat. i've watched alot of his full games. i have not watched RG III games....just highlights. but "IF" he is as good....and obviously the Redskins think so.....you make this move for a "franchise" QB. or look at it another way....would you rather have Mark Sanchez at $13 mil/yr, Matt Flynn at $9 mil/yr or RG III at $6 mil/yr ?? as far as Wash gutting their future by giving up those draft picks.....all they did was free up salary cap space for proven free agents. This- now they can go into free agency and grab a couple of WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 This is my opinion. RGIII may end up amazing, but an amazing QB on a ****ty team isn't going to be all that great. Exactly. Look at...the Rams (although the jury is still out on whether 1st overall pick Bradford is "amazing"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 This- now they can go into free agency and grab a couple of WRs People knee jerk trades with first rounders but really.... 3 firsts and a second you figure you'd realistically net 1 top tier player 1 solid starter 1 contributor 1 bust over the course of 3 years Now they hopefully have 1 top tier qb and can sign that starter and contributor, come out even on cash and not break the bank on the qb If he hits, it's a great trade still. If he busts it's hardly gutting the franchise. The issue with trade ups was the cash and financial obligation to that qb if he busted, the picks were not nearly the issue. Hence you used to see big trades more often before salaries went nuts for rookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 If he puts up Cam Newtons numbers as a rookie will he be worth it? I would say yes, but not if he does any worse. Cam is far and away going to be the greatest QB moving forward anyway so it's moot. It's Cam's league we just haven't realized it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I dont care if Griffin is the second coming of Christ they waaaay overpayed for this pick. Now instead of having first round picks to fill inevitable needs with top tier talent they will have to sign overpriced free agents. Oh wait they have done that before...how did that work for you little Danny Snider?...glad we are doing it the way Nix is . I know our patience is thin for 12 yrs of bumbling ineptitude but I can honestly say the Bills are moving in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I dont care if Griffin is the second coming of Christ they waaaay overpayed for this pick. Now instead of having first round picks to fill inevitable needs with top tier talent they will have to sign overpriced free agents. Oh wait they have done that before...how did that work for you little Danny Snider?...glad we are doing it the way Nix is . I know our patience is thin for 12 yrs of bumbling ineptitude but I can honestly say the Bills are moving in the right direction. So they might have 1-2 extra holes to fill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 As always, it all depends what the team does with the #1's. I would've traded Lil Donte, Marshawn, McKelvin, and Maybin for RG3 lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 As far as the (assumed) RGIII trade goes, doing this deal makes more sense for some teams than others. While I commend the Redskins for their aggressiveness, I am skeptical that they will be able to quickly and effectively build around RGIII. It might take more than the standard 3 years. Shanahan has not proven to be a franchise builder although Bruce Allen is the GM so there is some hope that they'll make all the right moves. But the Redskins roster IMO still has many holes. Filling those holes via free agency will quickly deplete cap space. If a team like the Seahawks had made this trade, it would be very different because one can argue that the Seahawks have everything except a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 So they might have 1-2 extra holes to fill? The Redskins? They have a lot more than 1-2 holes to fill. This will be the third "reboot" by Snyder. Starting in one direction for a year or two, then hitting the "reboot" button when they don't win. The most consistently successful teams are the ones that have the most continuity and stability. Snyder changes front office staff and coaches like some people change shoes. Go back and read the pre-draft hype about Jamarcus Russell. He was going to save the Raiders. I'm not saying RGIII is Russell, but three first rounders is too much for an unproven player. Snyder thinks football is like "Madden". Just plug in some names, make a dream team and pop the chamagne. Doesn't work that way in real football, see the 2011 Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Look back at all the QBs you mentioned and show me where the consensus from everyone was they would succeed in the NFL. Now look this season and show me anyone who does not think this kid is the real deal. By anyone, I mean qualified, respected opinions. Funny. I seem to recall folks drooling over every one of these turds. Capt. Hindsight is right when he says once-in-a-lifetime QBs come along every year. Last year it was Cam. This year we have TWO with Luck and Griffin. BTW how funny would it be if the Colts took RGIII? PTR Edited March 10, 2012 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The Redskins? They have a lot more than 1-2 holes to fill. This will be the third "reboot" by Snyder. Starting in one direction for a year or two, then hitting the "reboot" button when they don't win. The most consistently successful teams are the ones that have the most continuity and stability. Snyder changes front office staff and coaches like some people change shoes. Go back and read the pre-draft hype about Jamarcus Russell. He was going to save the Raiders. I'm not saying RGIII is Russell, but three first rounders is too much for an unproven player. Snyder thinks football is like "Madden". Just plug in some names, make a dream team and pop the chamagne. Doesn't work that way in real football, see the 2011 Eagles. while all this is true.....and shanahan left denver with $29 mil of dead money.....Snyder has let shanahan do his thing to where Wash is currently almost $40 million under the cap (the bills are about $18 mil under). now they don't have to set aside $5-6 mil/yr for next two years #1 pick.....and can use that money to sign a proven veteran. a "franchise" QB is worth that price......all thats left to argue is wether RG III will turn into one. Funny. I seem to recall folks drooling over every one of these turds. Capt. Hindsight is right when he says once-in-a-lifetime QBs come along every year. Last year it was Cam. This year we have TWO with Luck and Griffin. BTW how funny would it be if the Colts took RGIII? PTR it's a slow day....someone should start a thread on that.....laffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Funny. I seem to recall folks drooling over every one of these turds. Capt. Hindsight is right when he says once-in-a-lifetime QBs come along every year. Crazy that people don't remember these moments. The only year o remember people/scouts/gms drooling over the top qb was the year Matt Ryan came out. Other than that, every year someone gets labled as a once in a lifetime qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 while all this is true.....and shanahan left denver with $29 mil of dead money.....Snyder has let shanahan do his thing to where Wash is currently almost $40 million under the cap (the bills are about $18 mil under). now they don't have to set aside $5-6 mil/yr for next two years #1 pick.....and can use that money to sign a proven veteran. a "franchise" QB is worth that price......all thats left to argue is whether RG III will turn into one. You make excellent points but the other thing to argue is whether they will be able to build a roster via free agency. As the point has been made several times now, the Redskins roster resembles a block of Lorraine Swiss. The path the Redskins have chosen has at least two pitfalls… both mentioned in this post. Perhaps some of our DC guys can shed light on the state of the Redskins roster but my impression was that they have a long way to go with many holes to fill. I'm not saying it's a bad trade for them but I am saying that the trade ensures nothing… even if RGIII becomes an excellent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 This is my opinion. RGIII may end up amazing, but an amazing QB on a ****ty team isn't going to be all that great. The Rams now have two first round picks for the next 2-3 years (depending on the report), and they'll likely be pretty high picks for a year or two. They'll be picking up solid young talent if they draft right pretty damned quickly. I agree with this. It would be nice to get an awesome prospect, but at what cost? Football is a team game, we have various needs *now*, a QB isn't high on the list. No one seems to remember that our offense was doing pretty good before injuries set in... You don't seem to remember that our "pretty good" offense before injuries featured exactly zero 1st rounders at skill positions. The only one was at...center. Talent is in every round nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I would never make a deal like this. There are 11 guys on team and you need all of them. Making a mega deal for one player rarely works out. The Skins lead the NFL in off-season Super Bowls. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 You make excellent points but the other thing to argue is whether they will be able to build a roster via free agency. As the point has been made several times now, the Redskins roster resembles a block of Lorraine Swiss. The path the Redskins have chosen has at least two pitfalls… both mentioned in this post. Perhaps some of our DC guys can shed light on the state of the Redskins roster but my impression was that they have a long way to go with many holes to fill. I'm not saying it's a bad trade for them but I am saying that the trade ensures nothing… even if RGIII becomes an excellent QB. to me, RG III is the next Michael Vick.....without the baggage. He will be one of the most entertaining and exciting players in the game. Tremendous speed, he can engineer big plays with both his arm and his legs. he will put fanny's in the seats....i really applaud washington for being bold. the record setting price they paid ensures this will be looked at for years to come judging which franchise made out best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I would never make a deal like this. There are 11 guys on team and you need all of them. Making a mega deal for one player rarely works out. The Skins lead the NFL in off-season Super Bowls. PTR This type of criticism is being leveled by sone, but there is no logic to it. None of the "11 guys" is being sacrificed. They have bargained for a top prospect at the absolutely most cteirical position in professional sports. They still have all of their other picks every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Anyone care to wager which team is farther ahead 5 years down the road? The Rams will be making playoff appearances and Washington will be chasing the next big name FA. The Redskins have turned into Raiders east. So true. This makes the Carson Palmer trade seem almost decent, and that was the worst trade in years. Rams fans should be dancing in the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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