cage Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Patriots drafting of Gronk...while slightly controversial at the time-is further evidence that they are a superior organization to just about every organization in the NFL. They just make a higher % of good decisions than the Buffalos and Clevelands. That said(sounds Seinfeldish)-the non-drafting of Gronk in itself is nothing to beat the Bills organization up about. In this case their draft pick stockpiling strategy really showed it value... they pick Gronkowski because they have the luxury to do so, they later pick Hernandez as a hedge in case the Gronk pick doesn't work out. Then as both picks work out for them it helps them change their offense to take advantage of it into this 2 TE attack... who needs Randy Moss anymore. Brilliant strategy that we can never pull off. We trade away high priced first rounders (Magahee, Evans) for 3rd/4th round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 He must have done some damage dancing after the SB Ankle surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Right now in New England there is a huge controversy over Gronk dancing shirtless after the Pats lost the Super Bowl. Couple that with the fact that he caused a pick, blew it big time on the Hail Mary and they already have Aaron Gonzalez and we may be looking at a young star on the trading block. We also know the Pats love stockpiling future picks. Gronk is from Buffalo. Do you think we'd give a 2nd plus a 2013 2nd? In a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 There is a blog on BuffaloBills.com today speculating that Melvin Ingram, at 6'2", 276 lbs. may run a 4.6 40. Buffalo needs a strong side OLB, one that can defend the run, rush the passer, and defeat TE's. If Ingram is as fast as expected and if he is nimble footed, i.e., able to turn and run, he might be the player that can neutralize Gronkowski. Buffalo has to be able to defeat New England if it ever expects to win the AFC East. A big part of that is dealing with the Gronk. Watching him at the Combine is high on my to-do list. If he does as expected and both he and Coples are there for Buffalo at #10, Buffalo will need every second of those fifteen minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Yesterday some here had Gronkowski being traded because he was partying with his shirt off and dates porn stars. That said once upon a time the Bills actually did draft to keep control of the AFCE. Haven't seen that type of thinking in a long time within the organization. These days it more like plugging holes with warm body's or rehabbing players. Edited February 10, 2012 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 There is a blog on BuffaloBills.com today speculating that Melvin Ingram, at 6'2", 276 lbs. may run a 4.6 40. Buffalo needs a strong side OLB, one that can defend the run, rush the passer, and defeat TE's. If Ingram is as fast as expected and if he is nimble footed, i.e., able to turn and run, he might be the player that can neutralize Gronkowski. Buffalo has to be able to defeat New England if it ever expects to win the AFC East. A big part of that is dealing with the Gronk. Watching him at the Combine is high on my to-do list. If he does as expected and both he and Coples are there for Buffalo at #10, Buffalo will need every second of those fifteen minutes. Are you kidding me? Did you not see Gronk on the dance floor? There isnt a LB on the planet who can keep up with that footwork! Actually, i find this very interesting. Im interested in reading what the draft experts on this board have to say about it. (I dont know squat about the draft or draft prospects) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Is Ingram known for cover skills? I had hoped for Zach Brown for the same reason (cover TEs) but if Ingram can cover & rush the passer that's a pretty sweet combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Buffalo has to be able to defeat New England if it ever expects to win the AFC East. A big part of that is dealing with the Gronk. Watching him at the Combine is high on my to-do list. If he does as expected and both he and Coples are there for Buffalo at #10, Buffalo will need every second of those fifteen minutes. True. But we also need to be able to defeat NYJ, and MIA. Both of whom SWEPT us this season. I use the word "swept" here, but the truth is that they both kicked our a$$es handily. I think we need to focus on scoring points first and foremost. Unless Ingram can throw, catch, or block, I want nothing to do with him in the first round. -NOTHING. I really like the Wannstedt promotion, but I don't think he'll have all the answers in the first year. In the meantime, I'd like for us to be able to 1)MOVE THE CHAINS and 2)Get in the end-zone. YES, we need a pass-rush. YES, Melvin Ingram is talented, but NO he can't be successful if he's always on the field. Personally, I'd prefer Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus, -a kid who made his mark by creating tons of turnovers, and forced fumbles. Mercilus has those long, wrap-around arms, and a relentless motor. That's truly the spark a defense needs. -A turnover specialist. As opposed to just raw speed and athleticism. Edited February 10, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 There is a blog on BuffaloBills.com today speculating that Melvin Ingram, at 6'2", 276 lbs. may run a 4.6 40. Buffalo needs a strong side OLB, one that can defend the run, rush the passer, and defeat TE's. If Ingram is as fast as expected and if he is nimble footed, i.e., able to turn and run, he might be the player that can neutralize Gronkowski. Buffalo has to be able to defeat New England if it ever expects to win the AFC East. A big part of that is dealing with the Gronk. Watching him at the Combine is high on my to-do list. If he does as expected and both he and Coples are there for Buffalo at #10, Buffalo will need every second of those fifteen minutes. I don't see the relationship here. I don't think that there is any chance that Ingram at 276 lbs can cover Gronkowski effectively. There is (a lot) more to coverage than straight line speed. I don't think anyone sees Ingram as a 4-3 OLB - *maybe* a 3-4 OLB. Now, I agree that Ingram looks to be a very good athlete for his size, but I doubt that coverage is his specialty. Besides, if he is truly as good an athlete as he appears, his best asset may well be pass rushing be it from 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Ingram is really an amazing talent....I watched some video on the guy....he has hands like a receiver and incredible speed....i guess he knock on him is short arms....SC used him on the hands team....fake punts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsSD Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) I think we should have someone with AIDS sleep with Gronks pornfriend and then he will be neutralized once and for all. Edited February 11, 2012 by BuffaloBillsSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I think we need to focus on scoring points first and foremost. Unless Ingram can throw, catch, or block, I want nothing to do with him in the first round. -NOTHING. I really like the Wannstedt promotion, but I don't think he'll have all the answers in the first year. In the meantime, I'd like for us to be able to 1)MOVE THE CHAINS and 2)Get in the end-zone. YES, we need a pass-rush. YES, Melvin Ingram is talented, but NO he can't be successful if he's always on the field. So this is code for DeCastro right Why wouldn't Ingram be successful if he's on the field all the time? You think he's just some kind of situational pass rusher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I don't see the relationship here. I don't think that there is any chance that Ingram at 276 lbs can cover Gronkowski effectively. There is (a lot) more to coverage than straight line speed. I don't think anyone sees Ingram as a 4-3 OLB - *maybe* a 3-4 OLB. Now, I agree that Ingram looks to be a very good athlete for his size, but I doubt that coverage is his specialty. Besides, if he is truly as good an athlete as he appears, his best asset may well be pass rushing be it from 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. I'd venture somewhere between half and two thirds of the board doesn't get the difference between 34 and 43 olbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Right now Ingram is a 15-25 pick and 4.75 is the break even for him to remain there, a 4.6 moves him up to 10-15 area or maybe even a little better, 4.8 or worse could drop him into the second or third round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 There is a blog on BuffaloBills.com today speculating that Melvin Ingram, at 6'2", 276 lbs. may run a 4.6 40. Buffalo needs a strong side OLB, one that can defend the run, rush the passer, and defeat TE's. If Ingram is as fast as expected and if he is nimble footed, i.e., able to turn and run, he might be the player that can neutralize Gronkowski. Buffalo has to be able to defeat New England if it ever expects to win the AFC East. A big part of that is dealing with the Gronk. Watching him at the Combine is high on my to-do list. If he does as expected and both he and Coples are there for Buffalo at #10, Buffalo will need every second of those fifteen minutes. I don't really see any LB's covering Gronkowski. The way to defend against him is to hit him at the LOS, keep him in front of you and hit him harder in the short area near the LOS, and most importantly your safeties need to provide good deep middle coverage. Short of having a HOF-type safety, George Wilson is a relatively decent matchup in coverage compared to what most teams have. I disagree with the poster that claims that the Bills haven't drafted specifically to defeatt the Patriots. Whitner, McKelvin, Lynch......these guys were drafted to pass defend and run the ball and control the clock against the Pats. If Whtiner had turned out to be Troy Polomalu and McKelvin had turned out to be Darelle Revis the Bills would obviously be a lot better. Why didn't it work that way? Whitner and McKelvin were both drafted higher than Polomalu and Revis, respectively. It didn't happen because the team was clearly focused on filling a need instead of taking the best difference making player available. Marv Levy made no bones about it, admitting that they were drafting for need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Will there be a day this week where we don't have a new Gronkowski thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mEAz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Ingram is a 4-3 de...he won't be covering any te's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 So much for my 1000 post rule.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'd venture somewhere between half and two thirds of the board doesn't get the difference between 34 and 43 olbs Neither does the management at OBD. But just to clarify when the same player stands up in a 3-4 om first and second down and then rushes the passer with his hand down on 3rd down in a 4 man rush is the player a 3-4 or 4-3 OLB? I don't really see any LB's covering Gronkowski. The way to defend against him is to hit him at the LOS, keep him in front of you and hit him harder in the short area near the LOS, and most importantly your safeties need to provide good deep middle coverage. Short of having a HOF-type safety, George Wilson is a relatively decent matchup in coverage compared to what most teams have. I disagree with the poster that claims that the Bills haven't drafted specifically to defeatt the Patriots. Whitner, McKelvin, Lynch......these guys were drafted to pass defend and run the ball and control the clock against the Pats. If Whtiner had turned out to be Troy Polomalu and McKelvin had turned out to be Darelle Revis the Bills would obviously be a lot better. Why didn't it work that way? Whitner and McKelvin were both drafted higher than Polomalu and Revis, respectively. It didn't happen because the team was clearly focused on filling a need instead of taking the best difference making player available. Marv Levy made no bones about it, admitting that they were drafting for need. And the NY Giants beat the Patriots by pass rushing not pass defending and throwing to multiple WR's with the worst rushing offense(statistically) in the NFL. So not only were the player choices poor, in retrospect the entire philosophy on how to beat them was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 So this is code for DeCastro right Why wouldn't Ingram be successful if he's on the field all the time? You think he's just some kind of situational pass rusher? I don't think I need code to plug DeCastro. I do believe Ingram is a situational pass rusher, but even if he turns out to be great 4-3DE, guys get tired. Persisitent three-and-outs get old even for the stoutest of defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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