Beerball Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Lynch falls into group "D" Jackson falls into group "E" link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Sounds about right. Jackson, no matter what Bills fans will tell you, is about mid-level in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Sounds about right. Jackson, no matter what Bills fans will tell you, is about mid-level in the NFL. Perhaps, but not as good as Lynch? Anyone paying attention in Buffalo clearly saw Jackson repeatedly outperform Lynch, who does have occasional flashes, but is generally mediocre. He made one good run for Seattle all year, but it happened to be on the national stage. He will be back to his 3.2 yds per carry ususal self again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) Perhaps, but not as good as Lynch? Anyone paying attention in Buffalo clearly saw Jackson repeatedly outperform Lynch, who does have occasional flashes, but is generally mediocre. He made one good run for Seattle all year, but it happened to be on the national stage. He will be back to his 3.2 yds per carry ususal self again this year. Meh, kinda hard to judge based on Lynch's time on the Bills. He was here through some really piss-poor OLines and I think he was under-utilized on the Bills. Get him into a power running offense, and get him 20+ carries so he can get into a pounding rhythm. Id say they are about even, and the edge goes to Lynch because of age. edit: IMO, obviously Edited May 31, 2011 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) I see your point but I thought Lynch had plenty of opportunity here, and Jackson ran behind the same lines. His performance is Seattle last year was very similar to his time here. Time will tell, but I do not think Lynch will ever amount to much more. Also just my opinion of course. Edited May 31, 2011 by MDFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Meh, kinda hard to judge based on Lynch's time on the Bills. He was here through some really piss-poor OLines and I think he was under-utilized on the Bills. Get him into a power running offense, and get him 20+ carries so he can get into a pounding rhythm. Id say they are about even, and the edge goes to Lynch because of age. edit: IMO, obviously Before last year (when Lynch was traded) Jackson and Lynch spent 3 seasons with the Bills… they were rookies the same year. Jackson had a better yards per carry in all 3 of those years. Jackson had a better yards per reception in 2 of those 3 years. Jackson has always performed better than Lynch, behind the same offensive line and in the same offense. IMO, it's pretty obvious that Lynch has zero vision and instincts whereas Jackson always seems to know how to maximize what the blocking scheme gives him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think if there is any daylight between the two, its minimal. They are both ranked where they should be, the bottom tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see, "CJ Spiller" on that list. Not even in Group I... I also think that Danny Woodhead is more valuable than BenJarvus Green-Ellis and that Lynch and Jackson are both better backs than Green-Ellis and a couple of others above them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Lynch falls into group "D" Jackson falls into group "E" link The amazing Buffalo Bills' Naysayers ... now it's Fred Jackson's turn? I know that Kirwan is wrong but he seems focused on the number of 10 yard plus runs rather than overall play ... Jackson clearly belongs in at least group D, he is far better than Lynch in every aspect of his game, and if you take his blocking ability into consideration he might be edging even higher. He has a career 4.4 yards per carry and 8 yards per reception. 2009 1062 yards rushing with 46 receptions 2010, when he was behind Lynch to start the year 927 yards rushing plus 31 receptions He may not be a SUPERSTAR but to dismiss his abilities as some are doing already just proves once again that all too many posters just don't watch the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 The amazing Buffalo Bills' Naysayers ... now it's Fred Jackson's turn? I know that Kirwan is wrong but he seems focused on the number of 10 yard plus runs rather than overall play ... Jackson clearly belongs in at least group D, he is far better than Lynch in every aspect of his game, and if you take his blocking ability into consideration he might be edging even higher. He has a career 4.4 yards per carry and 8 yards per reception. 2009 1062 yards rushing with 46 receptions 2010, when he was behind Lynch to start the year 927 yards rushing plus 31 receptions He may not be a SUPERSTAR but to dismiss his abilities as some are doing already just proves once again that all too many posters just don't watch the game. He focuses on 10+ plays because those change games. Jacksons longest run was 39 yards, good for 44th in the league behind a qb, punter, and a bunch of WRs. The premier backs all have long runs, higher ypc etc etc. But I agree with you that at most he could be in the next highest group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think Jackson and Lynch are underrated, especially Jackson. With few holes to run through, they've both put up decent numbers. Jackson #3 in the league in forced missed tackles (#2 in the NFL in forced missed tackles per touch) and #2 most elusive. He also has a high Yards After Contact figure. Numbers courtesy of Pro Football Focus. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/24/elusive-rating-2010/ Forced Missed Tackles, Top 10 Player Team Att. Rush.MT Rec. Rec.MT Total MT Adrian L. Peterson MIN 283 46 36 7 53 Michael Turner ATL 334 46 12 5 51 Fred Jackson BUF 222 42 31 9 51 LeGarrette Blount TB 201 50 5 0 50 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG 276 42 47 8 50 Chris D. Johnson TEN 316 44 44 5 49 Arian Foster HST 327 31 66 18 49 Rashard Mendenhall PIT 324 42 23 6 48 Peyton Hillis CLV 270 31 61 11 42 Darren McFadden OAK 222 30 47 12 42 Elusive Rating, Top 10 Player Team Att. Yds YCo YCo / Att. MT Rec. Rec.MT Elusive Rating LeGarrette Blount TB 201 1007 739 3.7 50 5 0 89.8 Fred Jackson BUF 222 939 646 2.9 42 31 9 58.5 Ryan Torain WAS 164 744 536 3.3 28 18 4 58.0 Darren McFadden OAK 222 1157 766 3.5 30 47 12 54.6 Mike Goodson CAR 103 439 288 2.8 18 36 9 54.4 Marshawn Lynch SEA 165 573 440 2.7 30 21 7 53.7 Adrian L. Peterson MIN 283 1298 877 3.1 46 36 7 51.5 Jonathan Stewart CAR 178 770 484 2.7 30 8 4 49.4 Mewelde Moore PIT 33 99 96 2.9 4 26 6 49.2 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG 276 1239 829 3.0 42 47 8 46.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Honestly I dont see how anybody would rate Lynch over Jackson....not based off of skill set and numbers Jackson was also the better receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Jackson is clearly a better RB than lynch. One playoff run made his grade IMO. I think Jackson is a top 15 RB in the league currently. He does everything well, except he doesnt have game breaking speed. I guess that's a big "con" in kirwins eyes. Put Jackson on the packers and he's an all pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I am in the minority but I always thought Lynch was better ( must put too much emphasis on scoring touchdowns). We had terrible blocking and I think Jackson was able to play off of that better than Lynch – who I always felt was expecting his OL to actually block people. When there was a hole Lynch would crush. Don’t forget those runs vrs Cleveland and Miami early in his career where he broke 12-13 tackles to score. That’s another thing – Lynch was light years better at short yardage, yet Stupid Jauron would put Jackson in. WTF dude? Lynch was only stopped once or twice in his entire time in Buffalo on short yardage and Jackson was less than 50% I would estimate. Even with that Lynch had 5x the touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I think Jackson and Lynch are underrated, especially Jackson. With few holes to run through, they've both put up decent numbers. Jackson #3 in the league in forced missed tackles (#2 in the NFL in forced missed tackles per touch) and #2 most elusive. He also has a high Yards After Contact figure. Numbers courtesy of Pro Football Focus. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/24/elusive-rating-2010/ Forced Missed Tackles, Top 10 Player Team Att. Rush.MT Rec. Rec.MT Total MT Adrian L. Peterson MIN 283 46 36 7 53 Michael Turner ATL 334 46 12 5 51 Fred Jackson BUF 222 42 31 9 51 LeGarrette Blount TB 201 50 5 0 50 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG 276 42 47 8 50 Chris D. Johnson TEN 316 44 44 5 49 Arian Foster HST 327 31 66 18 49 Rashard Mendenhall PIT 324 42 23 6 48 Peyton Hillis CLV 270 31 61 11 42 Darren McFadden OAK 222 30 47 12 42 Elusive Rating, Top 10 Player Team Att. Yds YCo YCo / Att. MT Rec. Rec.MT Elusive Rating LeGarrette Blount TB 201 1007 739 3.7 50 5 0 89.8 Fred Jackson BUF 222 939 646 2.9 42 31 9 58.5 Ryan Torain WAS 164 744 536 3.3 28 18 4 58.0 Darren McFadden OAK 222 1157 766 3.5 30 47 12 54.6 Mike Goodson CAR 103 439 288 2.8 18 36 9 54.4 Marshawn Lynch SEA 165 573 440 2.7 30 21 7 53.7 Adrian L. Peterson MIN 283 1298 877 3.1 46 36 7 51.5 Jonathan Stewart CAR 178 770 484 2.7 30 8 4 49.4 Mewelde Moore PIT 33 99 96 2.9 4 26 6 49.2 Ahmad Bradshaw NYG 276 1239 829 3.0 42 47 8 46.4 Excellent find my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Jackson is a mid level NFL RB nothing wrong with a group D-E certification BUT Lynch would have been E-F rating if he didn't have that playoff run. Not taking anything away from that epic run BUT you can't let one play overrate the guy whose resume is of a mid level NFL RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I am in the minority but I always thought Lynch was better ( must put too much emphasis on scoring touchdowns). We had terrible blocking and I think Jackson was able to play off of that better than Lynch – who I always felt was expecting his OL to actually block people. When there was a hole Lynch would crush. Don’t forget those runs vrs Cleveland and Miami early in his career where he broke 12-13 tackles to score. That’s another thing – Lynch was light years better at short yardage, yet Stupid Jauron would put Jackson in. WTF dude? Lynch was only stopped once or twice in his entire time in Buffalo on short yardage and Jackson was less than 50% I would estimate. Even with that Lynch had 5x the touchdowns. Agreed. People forget how good Lynch was when he was able to see just a little daylight instead of being met in the backfield. I remember specific runs against Jacksonville and Denver where he ran through multiple tacklers much like this year's playoff run against NO. I think Jackson is just better at turning nothing into something by finding an alternative route when the hole isnt there. And even then, he didnt look much better than Lynch when he took over the majority of the carries. That's why I say they are about even, with Lynch getting the slightly higher grade because of his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Sounds about right. Jackson, no matter what Bills fans will tell you, is about mid-level in the NFL. He's also 30 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 He's also 30 now. Thus the drafting of a good running back in the 5th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Sounds about right. Jackson, no matter what Bills fans will tell you, is about mid-level in the NFL. I disagree. While most Bills fans overrate Bills players...I feel that Jackson is one of the better running backs in the game even at his age. Its a shame he didn't get started earlier in the NFL.--Lynch(2 yards and a cloud of dust)carried his mediocrity onto Seattle.One run doesn't make a season. Before last year (when Lynch was traded) Jackson and Lynch spent 3 seasons with the Bills… they were rookies the same year. Jackson had a better yards per carry in all 3 of those years. Jackson had a better yards per reception in 2 of those 3 years. Jackson has always performed better than Lynch, behind the same offensive line and in the same offense. IMO, it's pretty obvious that Lynch has zero vision and instincts whereas Jackson always seems to know how to maximize what the blocking scheme gives him. Right on the money. It was glaringly obvious that Jackson was the better runner.Hard to believe some Bills fans couldn't recognize that when it was staring them in the face. Edited June 2, 2011 by Tcali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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