JPicc2114 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 For what D. Nelson does, he seems to play the role of the tight end in the Bills offense. He never goes deep and just does 5 to 10 yard curls and slants. So people saying that the Bills need to get the tight end more involved, what would the tight end do that David Nelson isn't doing now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Yes. If he puts on a few pounds, he actually might become a good TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 If he puts on a few pounds, he actually might become a good TE. ??? A tall, lanky WR isn't generally where one looks to find your next TE. Height - good, lanky - bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 No, he is what he is, a possession #4 WR and a pretty good one. Put it this way, he doesn't do anything a TE needs to do to be a good TE in this league other than catch short passes in seams over the middle, although for a WR he is a pretty good blocker (that does not at all translate to being a good enough blocker to play TE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epper Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I thought the exact same thing watching yesterdays game. Bulk him up and maybe he could be converted into one. I'd love to see him on the field more, in any way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 IMO, we really need to weed-out these lanky, one-dimensional tight ends all together. We need tight ends who can both block effectively and catch passes. This would add another dimension to our offense. I know, I know....we run a rootin tootin spread offense and have no need for power formations. It would be nice, however, to be able to line up in a power set and be a legitimate threat to throw the ball. Keep the defense honest in those short yardage situations. Shawn Nelson....too one dimensional. David Martin....below average blocker, essentially useless as a receiver. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I also thought that about him basically being the Tight End for the offense, but could he bulk up enough to be a legit TE? I doubt it, he just doesn't have the body-type. Keep him where he is, he may be the most consistent receiver on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 It would be nice, however, to be able to line up in a power set and be a legitimate threat to throw the ball. Keep the defense honest in those short yardage situations. Time to move on. When Stevie Johnson dropped the game-winning TD pass, the Bills were lined up in a "power" (i.e, running) formation on first down and sent only one WR (Johnson) out on a route. He was wide open. Is that enough of a "legitimate threat" for ya? Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 When Stevie Johnson dropped the game-winning TD pass, the Bills were lined up in a "power" (i.e, running) formation on first down and sent only one WR (Johnson) out on a route. He was wide open. Is that enough of a "legitimate threat" for ya? Time to move on. +1!! Does anybody actually watch the games? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_phelaN1 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) +1!! Does anybody actually watch the games? PTR No, they are just like the sports writer's out there. Let's just throw a previously determined opinion of a team's capabilities out there and comment on it without looking at the facts. Remember how god awful the Bills were in the media beginning this season? Now all of the sudden we are the "play every team hard" Bills who "fight to the end." Now you can't go anywhere without hearing THAT statement. Same thing here. Edited November 29, 2010 by Van_phelaN1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 When Stevie Johnson dropped the game-winning TD pass, the Bills were lined up in a "power" (i.e, running) formation on first down and sent only one WR (Johnson) out on a route. He was wide open. Is that enough of a "legitimate threat" for ya? Time to move on. Wow...you sure set me straight buddy!! So...you are disagreeing with my point that having legitimate, multi-dimensional (pass catching/blocking) tight ends would be beneficial to this offense? Did you happen to see how the Patriots offense dismantled the Steelers defense a couple weeks ago? Please, know what you're arguing about before you spout-off like a jerk. +1!! Does anybody actually watch the games? PTR Yeah, I did watch the game, and that play certainly was the exception to the rule. Let me ask you this, how much production has the Bills offense received from the tight end position this season? Go ahead...look it up. No, they are just like the sports writer's out there. Let's just throw a previously determined opinion of a team's capabilities out there and comment on it without looking at the facts. Remember how god awful the Bills were in the media beginning this season? Now all of the sudden we are the "play every team hard" Bills who "fight to the end." Now you can't go anywhere without hearing THAT statement. Same thing here. Well stated....I could almost understand what you wrote. So what exactly did I post that cannot be supported by the stats? Quote my initial post, and then site some stats which illustrate how effective our tight ends are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 According to the game announcers he is - they referred to him as Shawn Nelson multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 In addition to in-line blocking, a good tight end is like a chess piece that you move around to draw linebackers and safeties out of areas you want to open up for WRs. Nelson surely can play that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) IMO, we really need to weed-out these lanky, one-dimensional tight ends all together. We need tight ends who can both block effectively and catch passes. This would add another dimension to our offense. I know, I know....we run a rootin tootin spread offense and have no need for power formations. It would be nice, however, to be able to line up in a power set and be a legitimate threat to throw the ball. Keep the defense honest in those short yardage situations. Shawn Nelson....too one dimensional. David Martin....below average blocker, essentially useless as a receiver. Time to move on. Kyle Rudolph is this year's combo plate blocker/receiver TE. We'd probably need to trade someone for the pick, as he's likely to go in the #17-27 range. I'm willing to give McKelvin to Baltimore for their RD1. Luke Stocker in RD3 is more do-able. Edited November 30, 2010 by Astrobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Kyle Rudolph is this year's combo plate blocker/receiver TE. We'd probably need to trade someone for the pick, as he's likely to go in the #17-27 range. I'm willing to give McKelvin to Baltimore for their RD1. Luke Stocker in RD3 is more do-able. Thank you for the cogent post Astrobot. I certainly would love for us to land a guy like Kyle Rudolph, but I doubt it will happen. Your probably right, he won't last until our pick in the second round, and we have to trade back into the first to nab him. We have too many needs to fill for that to happen. I would send McGee off for a pick/trade-up, but I like McLovin's potential too much to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) For what D. Nelson does, he seems to play the role of the tight end in the Bills offense. He never goes deep and just does 5 to 10 yard curls and slants. So people saying that the Bills need to get the tight end more involved, what would the tight end do that David Nelson isn't doing now? No. He is a WR. I would like to see us acquire a real multi-purpose TE that does it all. Edited November 30, 2010 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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