Bills...would have to upgrade their stadium as well in the near future

[Just Jack]

Can you imagine trying to build a stadium at either site... that process would be slower than attempting to put up an international bridge.

Nowadays if you grease the right palm, they'll let them just push it in a corner and slap a parking lot over it "to cap it".

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

the downtown area by the stadium is not contaminated, and theres plenty of space there.

 

By Pilot Field?

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

Nowadays if you grease the right palm, they'll let them just push it in a corner and slap a parking lot over it "to cap it".

 

Buffalo needs to move beyond that 50s-70s mentality. A Bethlehem Steel site for a stadium is feasible... the location is quite good, but the ground contamination cleanup would take a long time.

 

Just knock down ECC South and put the stadium there.

[May Day 10]

They should build the stadium on grand island and call the team the grand island bills.

 

 

 

Niagara bills, niagara frontier bills, wny bills.... outta here with that s___

 

 

 

 

 

Its the buffalo bills

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

Yeah, Grand Island... I like that, those two bridges can fall into the river.

[wide_right]

By Pilot Field?

was referring to dt NF and meant "casino" ... sorry, use of "stadium" im already in the future tense

[Chef Jim]

DOMED STADIUM, DOWNTOWN NIAGARA FALLS. "NIAGARA FRONTIER BILLS"

BUILT WITH STIMULUS MONEY. GIVE OBAMA THE JOBS HE WANTS.

 

It's all there for the taking if we'd just freaking ask.

 

Let's see a stadium built with my tax dollars when I live in CA or one built with yours who live in WNY? I'll go with the second option thank you very much. It's going to be built with public funds one way or another.

[CodeMonkey]

Let's see a stadium built with my tax dollars when I live in CA or one built with yours who live in WNY? I'll go with the second option thank you very much. It's going to be built with public funds one way or another.

I agree. That's one thing Canada does right. If a team wants a stadium, they pay for it. None of this public funding bull ****.

[fconmy]

If we don't take the money someone else will. So we might as well grab some. Getting stimulus money for a new stadium is not a bad idea at all. It should be a dome and should be closer to Toronto. Right in Niagara Falls is not a bad place for it. In fact I could see actually getting a Super Bowl if the stadium were in the Falls right at the border. You'd have the hotels and entertainment attractions right there.

 

Instead of Canadian fans driving over, they could park in Canada and walk across the Rainbow Bridge. That would make border crossing that much easier. You could even build a covered heated walkway so it's more comfortable.

 

PTR

I can see the Grand Island bridges lined up back to the Peace Bridge on game days,if you think the traffic is bad now,that 8A.M. start in the morning wouldn't be to tailgate,it would be to get to the game on time.

[wide_right]

I can see the Grand Island bridges lined up back to the Peace Bridge on game days,if you think the traffic is bad now,that 8A.M. start in the morning wouldn't be to tailgate,it would be to get to the game on time.

i bet the transportation there is better than it is to the ralph, and dont forget the idea would be to draw in fans from canada and rochester who would take different routes.

[Bleed Bills Blue]

RWS is a dump? I've been too busy having fun at every home game for the last 20 years to notice!

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

What roadways would be the main ones to a Niagara Falls stadium?

 

Some through Grand Island... Niagara Falls Blvd.

 

I don't have a map in front of me but it kind of sounds like a big headache. Do a lot of people exit the 290 at Niagara Falls Blvd?

[Red]

I would love to see the Bills upgrade the stadium...to DOWNTOWN Buffalo on the waterfront.

 

Perhaps slightly south smack dab in all of those brown fields left behind by the steel companies. It would be right on the waterfront, clean up the area, and give downtown Buffalo another needed boost to spur some development and business in the city.

 

I don't know ultimately why Orchard Park was selected over Buffalo.

 

I guess it's the same flawed logic that had UB going to Amherst and not the waterfront.

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

UB should have been downtown. That was a monumental mistake.

 

A football stadium could be placed anywhere. It gets used 8-10 times a year. A large college campus gets use 365 days a year, allows for spin-off developments in associated fields of study, etc.

 

A football stadium sits and collects dust.

 

re: Niagara Falls... the Grand Island Bridges, Niagara Falls Blvd. and River Rd. any other approaches???

 

[Red]

UB should have been downtown. That was a monumental mistake.

 

A football stadium could be placed anywhere. It gets used 8-10 times a year. A large college campus gets use 365 days a year, allows for spin-off developments in associated fields of study, etc.

 

A football stadium sits and collects dust.

 

re: Niagara Falls... the Grand Island Bridges, Niagara Falls Blvd. and River Rd. any other approaches???

 

I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence? Are you suggesting those as possible sites, or are you commenting on the roadways....?????

 

I read a history book about Buffalo. City On The Edge, I believe it was called. It was amazing to read how the original plans and the overwhelming majority of local folk all planned and believed the waterfront was the ideal location for the UB campus.

 

It was all planned up, when for some reason, the NY State Regents board (in Albany) decided to pick Amherst; despite all of the planning, evidence, and insight suggesting the waterfront would have been better. A good reason why was never provided.

 

I say, let Niagara Falls become Las Vegas East. You already have a wonderful back-drop and reason why people will come every year. I don't see why (unless part of some ridiculous, socialist idea to "share the wealth" with Canada) the US side of the Falls has to be so crappy. For alot of people, the Falls will be the 1st time seeing the United States. Since we are supposed to be the leading proponent of a free market, shouldn't our side destroy the Canadian? Why is WNY not maximizing its dollars and income to the greatest dollar? Build as many Casinos in Niagara Falls as possible, providing that they return a good chunk to the City and region to support Fire, Police services and help to bulldoze all of the slums and build some nice homes and restaurants, and businesses in that area.

 

Then, if you want to build a high speed train, let it connect the Falls to a downtown Buffalo with the Bills, Sabres, and Bisons. And could you imagine the spillover to WNY from keeping these dollars in WNY?

 

Move the Bills stadium to downtown Buffalo.

[BillsVet]

One of Goodell's main responsibilities is to increase league revenue. And the best way to accomplish this remains for franchises to have new stadiums which typically charge more for tickets and include more high priced luxury boxes.

 

Over the past 15 years, 20 teams have constructed new stadiums. Additionally, KC, CHI, and GB have made huge renovations to existing parks. That's nearly 3/4 of the NFL with new or significantly upgraded homes.

 

NFL Stadiums

 

The commissioner is responsible for the league's health, not individual franchises like Buffalo. He'll step up the pressure on teams like SD, OAK, SF, and BUF to build new homes as a result. Problem is, we all know neither the state or local government have the funding to assist Buffalo. Unless the next owner is willing to spend their own money on a field (in addition to the team purchase price) I can't see the team remaining in WNY.

[PromoTheRobot]

I can see the Grand Island bridges lined up back to the Peace Bridge on game days,if you think the traffic is bad now,that 8A.M. start in the morning wouldn't be to tailgate,it would be to get to the game on time.

Niagara Falls is not on an island. You can drive there several ways:

 

Route 1

 

Route 2

 

Route 3

 

Route 4

 

I don't know how you drive to RWS but if you get caught in bad traffic you only have yourself to blame. I take Transit to Southwestern and I never see a backup ever. Stay off of 1-90/219.

 

PTR

[Red]

One of Goodell's main responsibilities is to increase league revenue. And the best way to accomplish this remains for franchises to have new stadiums which typically charge more for tickets and include more high priced luxury boxes.

 

Over the past 15 years, 20 teams have constructed new stadiums. Additionally, KC, CHI, and GB have made huge renovations to existing parks. That's nearly 3/4 of the NFL with new or significantly upgraded homes.

 

NFL Stadiums

 

The commissioner is responsible for the league's health, not individual franchises like Buffalo. He'll step up the pressure on teams like SD, OAK, SF, and BUF to build new homes as a result. Problem is, we all know neither the state or local government have the funding to assist Buffalo. Unless the next owner is willing to spend their own money on a field (in addition to the team purchase price) I can't see the team remaining in WNY.

 

It will be interesting to see what takes place in the next year or two.

 

On the one hand, the Bills could really use a move out of Orchard Park and into the actual City they are named after. The NFL is an entity, and as an entity needs to continually feed to survive.

 

That being said, with the economy of the nation as it is and looks to remain for some time (if not get worse), there simply may not be any option for the NFL to expand...holding a City hostage or not.

 

Ah heck...maybe China will step up to the plate.

[dwight in philly]

i do not want to sound like a broken record, but the ralph is a perfect venue. besides from having second to none places to tailgate, its a great place to watch a game. there are great sight lines. the people that say it is a "dump", take your elitist attitude and spend your sundays at the art gallery or darwin martin house. most people go to the ralph to tailgate and watch football. the hand wringers worrying about revenue sources , etc, your opinions will never matter, that will play itself out. we do not need psl's because the stadium is paid for. cannot see a problem

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence? Are you suggesting those as possible sites, or are you commenting on the roadways....?????

 

Roadways... I don't believe that could all possibly handle the volume whatsoever. Not a chance. Can you imagine Niagara Falls Blvd? With all the street lights... what a cluster**** that would be. Impossible.

[Fezmid]

I don't see why (unless part of some ridiculous, socialist idea to "share the wealth" with Canada) the US side of the Falls has to be so crappy

Political corruption.

[truth on hold]

Roadways... I don't believe that could all possibly handle the volume whatsoever. Not a chance. Can you imagine Niagara Falls Blvd? With all the street lights... what a cluster**** that would be. Impossible.

youre assuming everyone is coming from buffalo (ie south of the falls). plenty would come from canada (i.e. north) and rochester (northeast.) the falls area in general has capacity well beyond its current use due to population shrinkage. and you continue to act like getting in and out of the current stadium is some kind of 3 am drive on the thruway, when it most certainly isnt

[beerme1]

A couple of things to mention having read this thread.

 

1. The guy who compared RWS to Lambeau, uh knock knock. Hello? They just spent a massive amount of money renovating it. They are far better off than we are with their old dump.

 

2. Hey dwight in philly, despite the stadium having been paid for, we do have psl's on all of our club seats here.

 

I am not fond of the Ralph and nobodys doing anything more than we have to under the lease terms until Ralph goes away. Then if the team were to remain here (unlikely) I could see an infusion of 200 million and renovate the ralph being far more likely than building a new stadium and me, I would be more than alright with that.

[PromoTheRobot]

youre assuming everyone is coming from buffalo (ie south of the falls). plenty would come from canada (i.e. north) and rochester (northeast.) the falls area in general has capacity well beyond its current use due to population shrinkage. and you continue to act like getting in and out of the current stadium is some kind of 3 am drive on the thruway, when it most certainly isnt

Agreed. Compare it to RWS. There are basically 6 roads in. Abbot north and south, Southwestern east and west, and Big Tree east and west. And guess what, Chalkie...they all have STOP LIGHTS! To say it would be any worse to drive to the Falls for a game is ludicrous.

 

PTR

[Hammered a Lot]

The Spanos's are going to put up all of the money. The city just has to donate the land, which they would like to do, but the land was/is a city bus depot and the soil is contaminated. They are arguing who has to pay for the soil cleanup.

 

It is sad about selling the horses. As far as the horses go, I think the savings were more like 2 million though. It was either get rid of the horses and transfer those officers to squad cars or fire them. The horses lost.

To close a $179 million budget gap San Diego will save $243,000 a year by dumping the horses and 9 dogs.

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

youre assuming everyone is coming from buffalo (ie south of the falls). plenty would come from canada (i.e. north) and rochester (northeast.) the falls area in general has capacity well beyond its current use due to population shrinkage. and you continue to act like getting in and out of the current stadium is some kind of 3 am drive on the thruway, when it most certainly isnt

 

So you're assuming that people from Rochester are going to drive country roads westward? They're all coming down the 90 still, and they'll be merging onto the 290. And they will be using all the roads (Niagara Falls Blvd., River Rd. and the Grand Island bridges) that everyone from Tonawanda south (which is the vast majority) will be using.

 

Now, perhaps they will have the traffic run with the police conducting it. Will still need more than two lanes heading towards Niagara Falls. You also have to account for the large amount of Tonawanda/Amherst traffic (local), which is way more than the amount that's dealt with when considering Orchard Park.

[PromoTheRobot]

A couple of things to mention having read this thread.

 

1. The guy who compared RWS to Lambeau, uh knock knock. Hello? They just spent a massive amount of money renovating it. They are far better off than we are with their old dump.

 

2. Hey dwight in philly, despite the stadium having been paid for, we do have psl's on all of our club seats here.

 

I am not fond of the Ralph and nobodys doing anything more than we have to under the lease terms until Ralph goes away. Then if the team were to remain here (unlikely) I could see an infusion of 200 million and renovate the ralph being far more likely than building a new stadium and me, I would be more than alright with that.

This reminds me of Baltimore when they were trying to build the baseball stadium at Camden Yards. They used to play at Memorial Stadium, located in a residential neighborhood, and with so little parking cars had to be parked door-to-door and end-to-end!! (I couldn't believe it either.)

 

Still, if you asked any Orioles fan if they needed a new stadium, they would have all said "NO!" Memorial was perfect as it was. Slap a coat of paint on it maybe, nothing more. There was a columnist...his name escapes me but he would be like Larry Felser, the grand old man of the paper...who railed daily against the travesty of replacing a stadium with the character that Memorial had.

 

If you ever been to Memorial Stadium, it had all the character of a parking garage! Cold, leaky, exposed pipes and unadorned cement walls. Still fans loved the place. Of course they did build Camden Yards and, as if by magic, the same people who loved Memorial forgot all about that dump and beamed with pride over their new showplace.

 

Something tells me the same would happen with RWS.

 

PTR

[PromoTheRobot]

So you're assuming that people from Rochester are going to drive country roads westward? They're all coming down the 90 still, and they'll be merging onto the 290. And they will be using all the roads (Niagara Falls Blvd., River Rd. and the Grand Island bridges) that everyone from Tonawanda south (which is the vast majority) will be using.

 

Now, perhaps they will have the traffic run with the police conducting it. Will still need more than two lanes heading towards Niagara Falls. You also have to account for the large amount of Tonawanda/Amherst traffic (local), which is way more than the amount that's dealt with when considering Orchard Park.

Chalk, everything you say about driving to the Falls already happens every game day at Orchard Park, and yet the games still get played at the sun still rises. Stop exaggerating already. Unless you can cite some traffic study then it's all opinion.

 

PTR

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

Agreed. Compare it to RWS. There are basically 6 roads in. Abbot north and south, Southwestern east and west, and Big Tree east and west. And guess what, Chalkie...they all have STOP LIGHTS! To say it would be any worse to drive to the Falls for a game is ludicrous.

 

PTR

 

Yes, Niagara Falls Blvd. has a zillion street lights, you are correct. Once you get off the 290, you're bombarded with them for quite some time.

 

You get off the 219 at the Milestrip exit, you encounter a couple of them, then you turn left on Abbott and you're within site of the stadium. Same with Big Tree... you exit from the 219, you encounter one street light at California Rd. and then head to stadium parking lot.

 

I don't think you're even wanting to acknowledge the kind of complete cluster**** that would envelope Niagara Falls Blvd. from the 290... how far back do you want the traffic on the 290 to pull over to the shoulder, if they weren't going to build a new lane on the right hand side (approaching from the direction of the airport)? Even if they build a new lane, that wouldn't alleviate the problem completely.

 

How much of Grand Island gets backed up? The bridges themselves? Sounds like a recipe for disaster... considering it's the Buffalo area, that's probably why it would be considered.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Yes, Niagara Falls Blvd. has a zillion street lights, you are correct. Once you get off the 290, you're bombarded with them for quite some time.

 

You get off the 219 at the Milestrip exit, you encounter a couple of them, then you turn left on Abbott and you're within site of the stadium. Same with Big Tree... you exit from the 219, you encounter one street light at California Rd. and then head to stadium parking lot.

 

I don't think you're even wanting to acknowledge the kind of complete cluster**** that would envelope Niagara Falls Blvd. from the 290... how far back do you want the traffic on the 290 to pull over to the shoulder, if they weren't going to build a new lane on the right hand side (approaching from the direction of the airport)? Even if they build a new lane, that wouldn't alleviate the problem completely.

 

How much of Grand Island gets backed up? The bridges themselves? Sounds like a recipe for disaster... considering it's the Buffalo area, that's probably why it would be considered.

 

I think you are exaggerating. There are half a dozen ways to get to the Falls. This traffic nightmare you predict would never happen, certainly not 15 miles away like you suggest.

 

PTR

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

The 290 and the Grand Island bridges aren't 15 miles away from Niagara Falls.

 

Show me the half dozen... I saw three approaches to the Falls... Grand Island bridges, Niagara Falls Blvd. and River Rd.

 

(I'm assuming River Rd. would be viable).

[truth on hold]

The 290 and the Grand Island bridges aren't 15 miles away from Niagara Falls.

 

Show me the half dozen... I saw three approaches to the Falls... Grand Island bridges, Niagara Falls Blvd. and River Rd.

 

(I'm assuming River Rd. would be viable).

yet again, chawkie refuses to compare it to the continued mess which is getting in and out of the ralph

 

and continues to not acknowledge that a lot of fans WOULDNT be coming from Buffalo under the new plan

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

yet again, chawkie refuses to compare it to the continued mess which is getting in and out of the ralph

 

and continues to not acknowledge that a lot of fans WOULDNT be coming from Buffalo under the new plan

 

Are they coming from outer space? Is there a huge cult in Medina?

 

If you have a problem getting in and out of Ralph Wiggam Stadium, you should probably just hand in your license.

 

 

Ok, Niagara Falls is a ******* dump. You may as well put an NFL stadium in Gary, Indiana. Why in the hell would you put a stadium in Niagara County? Why are you insistent on kissing Kanada's ass???

 

 

 

And provide some actual, viable reasons as to why a stadium should go to Niagara Falls, NY, a glistening cesspool of toxic waste. Is it for your Kanadian friends? Is it because Jim Kelly may have uttered it once? You want to put a stadium in one of the ugliest, most downtrodden ****holes in this entire country. Fantastic. I will try and convince Jeff Lurie that he should build a new stadium across the Delaware and slap it down right in the middle of Camden, NJ.

 

Seriously, a stadium isn't going to be built in either Erie or Niagara Co.

[Just Jack]

Ask Patriot* fans how much fun it is trying to get out of Foxboro after a game. RWS is nothing compared to there.

[wide_right]

Are they coming from outer space? Is there a huge cult in Medina?

 

If you have a problem getting in and out of Ralph Wiggam Stadium, you should probably just hand in your license.

 

 

Ok, Niagara Falls is a ******* dump. You may as well put an NFL stadium in Gary, Indiana. Why in the hell would you put a stadium in Niagara County? Why are you insistent on kissing Kanada's ass???

 

Within walking distance of one the world's natural wonders and a major tourist attraction. WOW

[Russ 'Em]

Anyone who thinks that the NFL would bring the SuperBowl to blustery Western New York in February is mad. Why so people can sip cocktails on the beach while prancing around in there bathing suits. Or maybe they can take in some of our world class restaurants and clubs. Give me a break. Let the world come here and huddle in there hotel rooms or spend all there money at the indian run casinos. Fantastic idea. We might as well just rent a whole **** load of buses and send them to Toronto for the week. They can come back on Sunday and watch the game.

[dwight in philly]

Ask Patriot* fans how much fun it is trying to get out of Foxboro after a game. RWS is nothing compared to there.

i think the ralph clears out well, considering the amount of people consistently attending. i think the tailgating helps a great deal, both before and after games. i cannot imagine those snooty pat's fans, liberal new englander's , knowing how to tailgate. i am sure they are more concerned about the "dangers" of charcoal, than actually enjoying life!

[KD in CA]

Ask Patriot* fans how much fun it is trying to get out of Foxboro after a game. RWS is nothing compared to there.

 

At least it's not like the old days when the crowds would all walk across Route 1, blocking the cars trying to exit the lot.

[wide_right]

Anyone who thinks that the NFL would bring the SuperBowl to blustery Western New York in February is mad. Why so people can sip cocktails on the beach while prancing around in there bathing suits. Or maybe they can take in some of our world class restaurants and clubs. Give me a break. Let the world come here and huddle in there hotel rooms or spend all there money at the indian run casinos. Fantastic idea. We might as well just rent a whole **** load of buses and send them to Toronto for the week. They can come back on Sunday and watch the game.

Winter is a great time to view the ice covered falls. Gambling would be right next to the stadium. The Canadian side has been built up that its shows, shopping and sites rival anything out there. And oh yeah, The Canadian Ballet!

 

Theyve had Super Bowls in Detroit and Minnesota ... just as cold but no where near the attractions.

 

Super Bowl by the Falls would be amazing.

[truth on hold]

Winter is a great time to view the ice covered falls. Gambling would be right next to the stadium. The Canadian side has been built up that its shows, shopping and sites rival anything out there. And oh yeah, The Canadian Ballet!

 

Theyve had Super Bowls in Detroit and Minnesota ... just as cold but no where near the attractions.

 

Super Bowl by the Falls would be amazing.

I went to Bills -Skins in Minnesota. Had a great time. A lot more fun than the Bills - Boys I went to in Pasadena.