zazie Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 You could not have found cheaper hires than Brandon (St. John Fisher grad, groomed and promoted in house) Nix (70 year old with no previous experience at this level, ever; been a scout before and a long time high school coach) Gailey (out of work mediocre college coach; working for less than even Frazier would have I am sure) There is no significant hire RW ever makes that is not 100% financia related. 10 years of no playoffs. You get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 You could not have found cheaper hires than Brandon (St. John Fisher grad, groomed and promoted in house) Nix (70 year old with no previous experience at this level, ever; been a scout before and a long time high school coach) Gailey (out of work mediocre college coach; working for less than even Frazier would have I am sure) There is no significant hire RW ever makes that is not 100% financia related. 10 years of no playoffs. You get what you pay for. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/2...ms-start-at-top The reason for the institutional mediocrity of the Bills and Raiders lies with their respective aged owners. As the article notes the view from the NFL establishment is that each owner is the primary cause for the organization's inability to function in a competitive manner. Both Ralph Wilson and Al Davis are very proud and both are very stubborn. They are not going to defer to anyone when they want to enact their peculiar whims. The organizational structure of the Bills is constructed in a way that allows for the owner to intervene when he is in the mood to intervene. There is no strong GM personality which would deter him from enacting some of his odd ideas. As much as the owner complains about money that is the least of this organization's problems. The core reason for the organizational disaray and resulting dismal record revolves around the ineptitude of an out of touch owner. Not only is it sad that this fading owner has a strangle hold on this franchise but it has gotten to be very tiresome to have to deal with such persistent foolishness. Can the Bills get better and become a more entertaining product? Yes they can. But the ceiling for the Bills will not get them to the point where you will see the team participating in the playoffs. There is just too much ownership baggage weighing the organization down to move ahead of its divisional foes. As long as Ralph Wilson is the owner New England, the Jets and Miami will be ahead of us because they have immensely better ownerships and organizational strength. There comes a time when it is appropriate to move on and let others take over from the old. It's simply the cycle of life. Until the tired owner comes to that realization there will be no meaningful change. It is sad. So sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/2...ms-start-at-top The reason for the institutional mediocrity of the Bills and Raiders lies with their respective aged owners. As the article notes the view from the NFL establishment is that each owner is the primary cause for the organization's inability to function in a competitive manner. Both Ralph Wilson and Al Davis are very proud and both are very stubborn. They are not going to defer to anyone when they want to enact their peculiar whims. The organizational structure of the Bills is constructed in a way that allows for the owner to intervene when he is in the mood to intervene. There is no strong GM personality which would deter him from enacting some of his odd ideas. As much as the owner complains about money that is the least of this organization's problems. The core reason for the organizational disaray and resulting dismal record revolves around the ineptitude of an out of touch owner. Not only is it sad that this fading owner has a strangle hold on this franchise but it has gotten to be very tiresome to have to deal with such persistent foolishness. Can the Bills get better and become a more entertaining product? Yes they can. But the ceiling for the Bills will not get them to the point where you will see the team participating in the playoffs. There is just too much ownership baggage weighing the organization down to move ahead of its divisional foes. As long as Ralph Wilson is the owner New England, the Jets and Miami will be ahead of us because they have immensely better ownerships and organizational strength. There comes a time when it is appropriate to move on and let others take over from the old. It's simply the cycle of life. Until the tired owner comes to that realization there will be no meaningful change. It is sad. So sad. yep that nails it-and this guy made the Hall of Fame, why? Because he bailed out another sh*t franchise, great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 LOL! Money hasn't been the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/2...ms-start-at-top The reason for the institutional mediocrity of the Bills and Raiders lies with their respective aged owners. As the article notes the view from the NFL establishment is that each owner is the primary cause for the organization's inability to function in a competitive manner. Both Ralph Wilson and Al Davis are very proud and both are very stubborn. They are not going to defer to anyone when they want to enact their peculiar whims. The organizational structure of the Bills is constructed in a way that allows for the owner to intervene when he is in the mood to intervene. There is no strong GM personality which would deter him from enacting some of his odd ideas. As much as the owner complains about money that is the least of this organization's problems. The core reason for the organizational disaray and resulting dismal record revolves around the ineptitude of an out of touch owner. Not only is it sad that this fading owner has a strangle hold on this franchise but it has gotten to be very tiresome to have to deal with such persistent foolishness. Can the Bills get better and become a more entertaining product? Yes they can. But the ceiling for the Bills will not get them to the point where you will see the team participating in the playoffs. There is just too much ownership baggage weighing the organization down to move ahead of its divisional foes. As long as Ralph Wilson is the owner New England, the Jets and Miami will be ahead of us because they have immensely better ownerships and organizational strength. There comes a time when it is appropriate to move on and let others take over from the old. It's simply the cycle of life. Until the tired owner comes to that realization there will be no meaningful change. It is sad. So sad. If meddling ownership were the sole cause of the problem nearly every team in the league would be in the toilet. The let's call ralph meddling and cheap bandwagon is so easy to jump on. What the Bills need, and have not had since Bill Polian, is a GM who is strong enough to call the shots and has a very solid "football mind." Time will tell if Nix has this. The other ingredient that is very hard to come by is a QB. In any given year there are only about 4-6 QB's that can truly carry a team. Add to this that you have to have an O-line and reasonably stout defense to go anywhere. The Bills problems relate back to a decade of futility at QB and o-line as much as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Was wondering what time of the day you normally make your "Ralph is cheap" post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Sometimes I feel that Ralph is playing "Monopoly The Depression Era Version" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If meddling ownership were the sole cause of the problem nearly every team in the league would be in the toilet. The let's call ralph meddling and cheap bandwagon is so easy to jump on. What the Bills need, and have not had since Bill Polian, is a GM who is strong enough to call the shots and has a very solid "football mind." Time will tell if Nix has this. The other ingredient that is very hard to come by is a QB. In any given year there are only about 4-6 QB's that can truly carry a team. Add to this that you have to have an O-line and reasonably stout defense to go anywhere. The Bills problems relate back to a decade of futility at QB and o-line as much as anything. But it is the Bills main problem, as well as the Raiders and Redskins, but not every team. Jerry Jones handed the reigns over to Bill Parcells and Parcells got the Cowboys back on the right track. Besides Snyder, you can't get much more meddlesome than Jerry Jones. Wilson has made all the wrong moves starting with Polian's firing. No one looks at the Bills as a viable franchise and will not until new ownership is in place, or if Nix is a miracle worker. Flutie had success with the Bills because he could escape pressure and he was a field general. The OL protection was not as important for him. Bledsoe and Edwards were statues and needed a strong OL. Losman could run, but he is just a moron. You're right somewhat with your last statement, but again, we traded up for Losman, yet we could have had Aaron Rodgers the next season. Bad GM moves. Our problem is 90-95 percent a meddling owner who got what he paid for in the front office and on his coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If meddling ownership were the sole cause of the problem nearly every team in the league would be in the toilet. The let's call ralph meddling and cheap bandwagon is so easy to jump on. What the Bills need, and have not had since Bill Polian, is a GM who is strong enough to call the shots and has a very solid "football mind." Time will tell if Nix has this. The other ingredient that is very hard to come by is a QB. In any given year there are only about 4-6 QB's that can truly carry a team. Add to this that you have to have an O-line and reasonably stout defense to go anywhere. The Bills problems relate back to a decade of futility at QB and o-line as much as anything. The Bills did have a strong GM type after Polian: It was Tom Donahoe. But he didn't work out. So the moronic owner responded by having a weak GM and division of labor front office system installed so he wouldn't have to engage with someone who would deter him from meddling. That is why the very weak Levy was hired. When he left the marketing guru, Russ Brandon, took over the football operations. The point I'm making is that the owner is responsible for the organizational structure of this franchise. On the point about not having a franchise qb and the paucity of them that is where a good GM comes into play. The Saints got Brees in free agency. The Vikings got Fauvre is free agency (came out of his so fraudulent retirement). The Cardinals got Warner off the market. Houston got Shaub in a trade. The Seahawks got Hasslebeck in a trade. The Dolphins drafted Henne in the second round. The Jets moved up in the draft to get Sanchez. The Ravens maneuverd back into the first round to take Flacco. Many teams draft their franchise qb. The point I'm making is that is where the GM earns his money. He goes out and finds a qb suitable to lead his team. There is no one way to do it. The Bills have not had a credible franchise qb since Jim Kelly, almost a generation. That is an absurdity. But when an owner is not going to invest in a quality GM and front office then you shouldn't be surprised that the organization can't identify an adequate qb. The problem with the Bills isn't so much that they are a bad team as much as they are a bad organization headed by an incompetent buffoon owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 In other breaking news, the sky is blue and the earth is round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 If meddling ownership were the sole cause of the problem nearly every team in the league would be in the toilet. The let's call ralph meddling and cheap bandwagon is so easy to jump on. What the Bills need, and have not had since Bill Polian, is a GM who is strong enough to call the shots and has a very solid "football mind." Time will tell if Nix has this. The other ingredient that is very hard to come by is a QB. In any given year there are only about 4-6 QB's that can truly carry a team. Add to this that you have to have an O-line and reasonably stout defense to go anywhere. The Bills problems relate back to a decade of futility at QB and o-line as much as anything. Your point on meddling is valid. Look at two of the better known meddlers. Snyder and Jones. They may be meddlers and you can question their results, but you can't question their passion and commitment to doing what it takes to build a winning team. This is what Bills ownership lacks, commitment. The team talked a good game about evaluating the organization and making changes but in the end came up small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Sigh...Nothing changes till Ralph passes on. He won't sell, he wont' change his ways. Nothing else left to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 Was wondering what time of the day you normally make your "Ralph is cheap" post? Post is from awhile ago actually. Stil feel the same way about it though, the players salary is paid out of a mandated CBA; coaches and GMs come from pocket of RW. So the argumant that because the Bills are not on the bottom in terms of player payroll is indicative of RWs willingness to spend, does not hold water. He keeps under the cap. When it comes to things that cost money that actually comes out of his pocket, his depression are roots really show, sadly. Why do you concern yourself with my day? I don't care about yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 So the PFT article that is once again filled with incredible sourcing and jouralistic standards that are usually only reserved for a message board is upset that the Bills won't be moving to LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfbillsfan Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 You could not have found cheaper hires than Brandon (St. John Fisher grad, groomed and promoted in house) Nix (70 year old with no previous experience at this level, ever; been a scout before and a long time high school coach) Gailey (out of work mediocre college coach; working for less than even Frazier would have I am sure) There is no significant hire RW ever makes that is not 100% financia related. 10 years of no playoffs. You get what you pay for. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I agree that is one of the biggest problems, but I wouldn't call it an absurdity as there are many other teams in similar boat. You list a handful that have worked out, but for everyone one that's worked out, there are three failures. Look at the last twenty years in places like Detroit, Chi, Cleve, KC, NO to name a few. Even both NE and Indy are two teams that for years floundered with different QB's then they got lucky. A few teams like the Jets had an OK guy for a few years in Peddington, but was hurt to much. Same you could say about Warner going to StL, good for awhile till he left and now Az. However if Warner does retire though that team may go from 1st to last in one year. The Bills haven't failed for trying, just bad choices. Would a better GM help, likely yes. But the one problem unique to QB is there are 32 teams in the league but there are NOT 32 good starting quality NFL QB's out there. I'd give it a dozen or so,and another dozen ones you can maybe get by with. There's always going to be a certain amount of luck needed in getting a good QB. Was NE really smart in getting Brady, no way, jusy lucky. What was he a sixth rounder? If NE really knew he'd be good, you'd have picked him earlier. They just got lucky and had a strong team around him. The Bills have not had a credible franchise qb since Jim Kelly, almost a generation. That is an absurdity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Its interesting that the other two meddling owners are at least willing to spend the money to try and make their franchises competative.......it has worked to some degree with Jones and it hasn't with Snyder. But Ralph is both meddling AND doesn't go after the top free agents or coaches. That makes it pretty hard to compete. What is funny is I think Ralph may have lucked into a good situation starting this year with Nix and Gailey. Just like he lucked into Polian years back. At least I hope that is the situation. These will be the last GM/HC combo in the Ralph Wilson era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 That's the problem in Buffalo, there's little room for error. Any FA signings need to work out as we i.e. RW isn't as willing as a JJ to just eat the contract and move on. Its interesting that the other two meddling owners are at least willing to spend the money to try and make their franchises competative.......it has worked to some degree with Jones and it hasn't with Snyder. But Ralph is both meddling AND doesn't go after the top free agents or coaches. That makes it pretty hard to compete. What is funny is I think Ralph may have lucked into a good situation starting this year with Nix and Gailey. Just like he lucked into Polian years back. At least I hope that is the situation. These will be the last GM/HC combo in the Ralph Wilson era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uforesircher Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 You could not have found cheaper hires than Brandon (St. John Fisher grad, groomed and promoted in house) Nix (70 year old with no previous experience at this level, ever; been a scout before and a long time high school coach) Gailey (out of work mediocre college coach; working for less than even Frazier would have I am sure) There is no significant hire RW ever makes that is not 100% financia related. 10 years of no playoffs. You get what you pay for. another day and another one of your ralph is cheap posts - what a surprise you and xerox have the same thing in common - neither of you do anyting original your posts are just horrible - all of them - you honestly have no credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 how very insightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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