LOST...Season 6

[Mark Vader]

Wow, this show continues to suck you in and leaves you wanting more.

 

I will miss Lost when it ends.

 

I have no idea how they will explain the alternate universe with the 815 not crashing. With the island being underwater, it makes me wonder what has become of all the inhabitants of the island. We saw Desmond on the plane, but what has become of Ben, Rousseau, Richard etc. in this alternate world?

 

Where did Desmond disappear to when Jack came back to his seat?

 

The writers explained why Shannon was not on board 815, but why was Michael not on board?

 

I am in agreement with Sayid being Jacob. I do not think that Smokey possesses other people, but rather he takes the form of other people. Otherwise he would have taken over John's body after Ben had killed John. Remember how Smokey disappeared when Jacob's bodyguards went after him? Also Smokey took the form of Mr. Eko's brother, before he killed Eko. I still wonder why he killed Eko, was he a threat to him?

 

Can't wait to see what happens.

[extrahammer]

I agree with the lots of you, this was probably one of the best episodes since season 1. Definitely better than the premiere last year.

 

I do have a question/thought on the Sayid Jacob matter. If Jacob turned into Sayid, where is Sayid's dead body? Wouldn't the rules be similar to that of MIB looking like Locke even though Locke's dead body is there on the island? Sayid just woke up...

[ricojes]

I agree with the lots of you, this was probably one of the best episodes since season 1. Definitely better than the premiere last year.

 

I do have a question/thought on the Sayid Jacob matter. If Jacob turned into Sayid, where is Sayid's dead body? Wouldn't the rules be similar to that of MIB looking like Locke even though Locke's dead body is there on the island? Sayid just woke up...

I was thinking the same thing and just feel the Sayid/Jacob connection is just too obvious, and this show has been anything but obvious from the beginning.

 

I did get a good chuckle when Jack approached the leader of the pyramid people and he flattened Jack in a second flat, yet they still continued to point guns at them the whole time. I really don't think they could have done anything against them, just found that a bit humorous.

 

I watched the 1 hour recap episode last night and they must have mentioned the Richard "appears" not to age a half dozen times. The "appears" mention has my mind wandering as much as the "chains" comment from Locke to Richard.

 

Someone mentioned a possible Richard flash back. I thought I read that all the flash backs and back stories are done, or maybe it was just the first episode. I would think we'd have to know more about Richard, Jacob, & MIB via flash backs. Anyone else read or hear anything like that?

 

Anyway, another episode with more questions than answers. But a lot to think about...

[UConn James]

What about Ben's mother? As it was the vision of his mother (now the question is was this vision Jacob or Mib/Esau?) that caused young Ben to venture into the woods and find The Others. Another thing I forgot to bring up and probably it's obvious but with the ash circles it appear likely that Jacob was in the cabin and The Others were trying to protect him from Mib/Esau and likely why only Ben and Richard were the only ones that were supposed to meet with him.

 

 

I just watched it again and the the quote was, "I know who they are. They were on the first plane, Oceanic 815, along with me". As I originally stated, I think the obvious connection is to think 815 vs 316 but again I just wonder... I mean if Oceanic Flight 815 lands in LA like we see in 2004 the question still remains why are Lostaways are on the island in 2007 and why would Sawyer be ranting about things didn't work when it appears it did when we see him in the LA airport and of course this is what we'll find out in the next few weeks.

 

1) Or it could be that MiB had been in the cabin, unable to get out beyond the ash.

 

2) Yeah, if time had been altered, then there would have been no 815 crash to mention. And Cindy wouldn't be there.... Which makes me think back to one of Faraday's lines --- that light is really weird on the island... that it comes from different angles. I think the island acts as a kind of absorber of things that happen in all timelines. So, even if/when 815 doesn't crash, the graves will still be at the beach. It also absorbs the sunlight from different timelines.

 

I agree with the lots of you, this was probably one of the best episodes since season 1. Definitely better than the premiere last year.

 

I do have a question/thought on the Sayid Jacob matter. If Jacob turned into Sayid, where is Sayid's dead body? Wouldn't the rules be similar to that of MIB looking like Locke even though Locke's dead body is there on the island? Sayid just woke up...

 

The show just seems to have a different feel now, judging from the premiere eps. It's the difference b/w the action-oriented and the storytelling-oriented. But there's also our own input and excitement of watching. Since the Incident, it's been edge-of-your-seat & no time to relax... just watch things as they happen.

 

Good point in the second graph. Not sure there's a hard-and-fast rule about body possession vis-a-vis that the body must be a duplicate.

 

I watched the 1 hour recap episode last night and they must have mentioned the Richard "appears" not to age a half dozen times. The "appears" mention has my mind wandering as much as the "chains" comment from Locke to Richard.

 

Someone mentioned a possible Richard flash back. I thought I read that all the flash backs and back stories are done, or maybe it was just the first episode. I would think we'd have to know more about Richard, Jacob, & MIB via flash backs. Anyone else read or hear anything like that?

 

Anyway, another episode with more questions than answers. But a lot to think about...

 

There will be a Richard-centric ep in 6.09 where we get info on his past in what has to be flashback form. I believe the 'no more flashbacks' thing was for the Lostaways proper --- not MiB, Jacob or Richard.

 

Had a new thought this morning... Re: the water in the Temple's spring going all brown and the Japanese guy and the hippie being absolutely surprised at this... Where else have we seen muddied water? Ben pulling the plug in the secret chamber within the secret chamber off of his Barracks house. That happened in the 2007 universe last season in "Dead is Dead."

 

What was the deal with the spring? I didn't catch it b/c it happened quickly. Did the Japanese guy's hand heal when he stuck it in the (brown) water?

 

Also, is ABC going to show repeats of the previous ep right before the new ones?

ON EDIT: To answer my own question, yes they are. We'll get "LA X: Part 2" next Tuesday before "What Kate Does."

[YOOOOOO]

Ben after waking up from his trip to "The Temple" said the same thing Sayid did "what happen".

 

I dont think Jacob possessed Sayid...

 

 

But I do believe that the island is now in Sayid....

[plenzmd1]

1) Or it could be that MiB had been in the cabin, unable to get out beyond the ash.

 

 

 

 

 

Had a new thought this morning... Re: the water in the Temple's spring going all brown and the Japanese guy and the hippie being absolutely surprised at this... Where else have we seen muddied water? Ben pulling the plug in the secret chamber within the secret chamber off of his Barracks house. That happened in the 2007 universe last season in "Dead is Dead."

 

What was the deal with the spring? I didn't catch it b/c it happened quickly. Did the Japanese guy's hand heal when he stuck it in the (brown) water?

 

That hippie was Sol Star in Deadwood. MIB was also in Deadwood.

 

In terms of the spring, I thought his hand did not heal and that is why they said something to the effect of 'this could be dangerous". My thought was the water being brwon signified some sort of change, but they were scared to mess with the instructions on how the spring worked by keeping Sayid for the full amount of the hr glass, even though it looked like he was better.

[The Jokeman]

That hippie was Sol Star in Deadwood. MIB was also in Deadwood.

 

In terms of the spring, I thought his hand did not heal and that is why they said something to the effect of 'this could be dangerous". My thought was the water being brwon signified some sort of change, but they were scared to mess with the instructions on how the spring worked by keeping Sayid for the full amount of the hr glass, even though it looked like he was better.

 

It didn't heal from what I remember either, I also one of the Templetons (I don't know what else to call them) mentioned that the spring wasn't clear so it only recently become brown. Perhaps another effect of the H-bomb?

[Hazed and Amuzed]

It didn't heal from what I remember either, I also one of the Templetons (I don't know what else to call them) mentioned that the spring wasn't clear so it only recently become brown. Perhaps another effect of the H-bomb?

 

 

Or perhaps it was Jacoby Jacobsons death that did it. At least that was my feeling.

[UConn James]

Or perhaps it was Jacoby Jacobsons death that did it. At least that was my feeling.

 

Like I wrote, it was like a drainplug that Ben pulled out in the secret chamber, and the muddy water ran out down a hole. Where did it (and presumably, more) go? In an island fraught with connections, this would be my best guess.

 

In other thoughts, it's just a little disconcerting that in the ALT-world, people we've come to know will be totally changed without their island experience. They don't get the redemption the island afforded them:

 

- I suppose we had seen Kate be like that in flashbacks, so her beating up the marshal and commandeering the taxi with Claire inside didn't come as a surprise. But from her current path, she doesn't get to stop running and be a positive force.

- Sawyer was back to being the con man... seemed interested once he heard about Hurley winning the lotto. Covered for Kate in the elevator. All the personal growth, and being a better man is gone off-island.

- Jack & Locke is an interesting scenario. Their ALT experience in Jack potentially treating Locke might be the ALT of their acrimony on the island.

- Sayid off-island might find the love that eluded him on-island.

 

It will be interesting to see if and how they plan to make these characters likable again. Heck of a risk to totally throw out characters that had so much development time. Tgreg, you say it's heading for convergence.... I hope so.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Like I wrote, it was like a drainplug that Ben pulled out in the secret chamber, and the muddy water ran out down a hole. Where did it (and presumably, more) go? In an island fraught with connections, this would be my best guess.

 

In other thoughts, it's just a little disconcerting that in the ALT-world, people we've come to know will be totally changed without their island experience. They don't get the redemption the island afforded them:

 

- I suppose we had seen Kate be like that in flashbacks, so her beating up the marshal and commandeering the taxi with Claire inside didn't come as a surprise. But from her current path, she doesn't get to stop running and be a positive force.

- Sawyer was back to being the con man... seemed interested once he heard about Hurley winning the lotto. Covered for Kate in the elevator. All the personal growth, and being a better man is gone off-island.

- Jack & Locke is an interesting scenario. Their ALT experience in Jack potentially treating Locke might be the ALT of their acrimony on the island.

- Sayid off-island might find the love that eluded him on-island.

 

It will be interesting to see if and how they plan to make these characters likable again. Heck of a risk to totally throw out characters that had so much development time. Tgreg, you say it's heading for convergence.... I hope so.

 

Yes it almost definitely is. Why else would they show the scene with Jack looking at his hickey in the mirror? Foreshadowing is my guess. But to what? My guess is they are going to sacrifice quite a bit i.e. possible death for the whole crew in order to save the Island and as a reward the universe hits the reset button back in 1977 when Juliet hits the nuke therefore putting the island in the drink and letting the rest of the world going on with there business. The only reason the plane didn't crash in the new universe was because the Island had already been demolished leaving only remnants like "Pockets" as Capt. Norris said.

 

Mark my words these timelines will converge. Desmond will be all of their constant to help them fit into the new digs...

[cåblelady]

Yes it almost definitely is. Why else would they show the scene with Jack looking at his hickey in the mirror? Foreshadowing is my guess. But to what?

Funny you should mention that. That one little scene keeps popping back into my head.

[Scraps]

1) Or it could be that MiB had been in the cabin, unable to get out beyond the ash.

 

Except the smoke monster had been seen at numerous locations around the island.

[ricojes]

- I suppose we had seen Kate be like that in flashbacks, so her beating up the marshal and commandeering the taxi with Claire inside didn't come as a surprise. But from her current path, she doesn't get to stop running and be a positive force.

- Sawyer was back to being the con man... seemed interested once he heard about Hurley winning the lotto. Covered for Kate in the elevator. All the personal growth, and being a better man is gone off-island.

- Jack & Locke is an interesting scenario. Their ALT experience in Jack potentially treating Locke might be the ALT of their acrimony on the island.

- Sayid off-island might find the love that eluded him on-island.

These are their paths had they not went down obviously, so you have to think of these characters as they would have been, not as how they have changed through the years on the island. Sawyer doesn't "go back" to being a con man, he continues to be a con man. Sayid probably will find his love again, as he did when he left the island last time, but this time years earlier and she probably doesn't get run over. But he has a dark past and I think the island helped him come to accept it and move on, it will be interesting to see his internal struggle. Kate continues to run from the law and is still a fugitive at large. Jack and Locke as "lost", they do not know there purpose and seem to be searching for a reason to live. It's interesting having these dual lives, not quite sure if I like it yet, but definitely different.

 

One thing I found pretty interesting is that while the smoke monster could not break the barrier of the ash, but it could cause an outside interference to knock someone or something out of the ash circle. Which got me thinking about the Pyramid people laying the ash after they found out that Jacob was dead. I am beginning to think it is more likely that Sayid is the MIB than Jacob. It would be interesting, if that were the case. Then he would actually be confined in the temple, due to the ash, and would need someone to break the ash to get out, maybe Ben?

 

I am also thinking about Jacob and MIB's agreement that they cannot kill one another. I am wondering if by Jacob touching certain lostie's, does that then make them off limits as well? That would really be interesting, especially if Sayid is indeed the MIB. That's all I can handle for now...

[Terry Tate]

Final season of lost promises to make fans more annoying than ever.

[linksfiend]

Yes it almost definitely is. Why else would they show the scene with Jack looking at his hickey in the mirror? Foreshadowing is my guess. But to what?

Was that a hickey? I thought it was some sort of wound. Didn't he dab at it with a paper towel?

[linksfiend]

Final season of lost promises to make fans more annoying than ever.

I hate the new Onion. Stick with the snarky comments in print format. These stupid videos with commercials are damn annoying.

[DrDawkinstein]

Was that a hickey? I thought it was some sort of wound. Didn't he dab at it with a paper towel?

 

hickey, wound, same dif.

[UConn James]

Some good critical discussion:

 

EW | LOST: Your mythology-free review of the premiere

• Jack is now shouldering the greatest amount of guilt, shame, depression, and despair of any character in contemporary broadcast television. (I’m leaving myself a loophole in that phrasing for about five characters I could name in The Wire. And a few in The Shield.) For two hours last night, Jack went from one sucks-to-be-him scenario to another, and Fox really rose to the challenge, giving shadings not only in his line-readings, but in his glances, his winces, his careful movements. Along with the writers and producers, he’s created a character of tragic heroism; he’s like Job with vodka.

 

Jeff "Doc" Jensen's Lost Recap

Haven't perused this yet (it's quite long), but for the past few seasons, these recaps have been required reading for this thread.

[RU Serious]

Going back to an episode from a previous season. Hurley was sitting in a financial advisers office, and if I remember correctly he was the majority shareholder in a box company. Possibly the one Locke worked for. I always thought after that episode that Jack would operate on Locke, curing him and Hurley would turn the operations of the company to Locke, where he would walk in and totaly tear that little pimple of a boss he had a new one. This was probably not going to happen now because I think they are going in another direction, with hurley owning the Chicken franchise now.

[UB2SF]

Not sure if this has been discussed somewhere else in this thread (or the other seasons' threads), but I'm curious about the parallels between MiB/Jacob and Widmore/Ben. Both pairs appear to be playing lifelong games with unwritten rules and sometimes dire consequences. Anyone have any insight on these parallels?

 

Forgive me if this is obvious or already resolved... this show leaves me a bit... well... LOST.

[DrDawkinstein]

Not sure if this has been discussed somewhere else in this thread (or the other seasons' threads), but I'm curious about the parallels between MiB/Jacob and Widmore/Ben. Both pairs appear to be playing lifelong games with unwritten rules and sometimes dire consequences. Anyone have any insight on these parallels?

 

Forgive me if this is obvious or already resolved... this show leaves me a bit... well... LOST.

 

great observation! its definitely been discussed, but i dont think we're even close to resolving what this "game" is. why people are playing? what are they playing for? how do they play it?...

 

some people think it's God vs the Devil... in whatever non-denominational form you want to picture them in.

 

i sometimes think that the show is going a step further. they say that this "game" has been going on for a very long time. what if they are showing what INSPIRED the classic story of God and the Devil, Good and Evil, etc.?!?

 

As in, some ancients (Egyptians? even earlier?) happened upon the island like our more recent visitors. some of them returned to their home and shared the story of this magical island (Eden?), with these 2 beings who were playing a game for our souls? The evil, or dark one, would tempt humans and play on their emotions to manipulate them into doing "bad" things. He would often take the shape of other people or animals to tempt them. The other, the good one, believed in free will and could/would not do anything to directly effect them, but he could arrange it so they had to make certain decisions.

 

Isnt this the basic story of Evil vs Good that goes back thousands of years?

 

Perhaps this is the truth behind that story?

 

 

 

 

 

i often think the name of the series has very little to do with being stranded on an island, and is more an adjective to describe the viewers experience! but that's why i love it!

[Hazed and Amuzed]

great observation! its definitely been discussed, but i dont think we're even close to resolving what this "game" is. why people are playing? what are they playing for? how do they play it?...

 

some people think it's God vs the Devil... in whatever non-denominational form you want to picture them in.

 

i sometimes think that the show is going a step further. they say that this "game" has been going on for a very long time. what if they are showing what INSPIRED the classic story of God and the Devil, Good and Evil, etc.?!?

 

As in, some ancients (Egyptians? even earlier?) happened upon the island like our more recent visitors. some of them returned to their home and shared the story of this magical island (Eden?), with these 2 beings who were playing a game for our souls? The evil, or dark one, would tempt humans and play on their emotions to manipulate them into doing "bad" things. He would often take the shape of other people or animals to tempt them. The other, the good one, believed in free will and could/would not do anything to directly effect them, but he could arrange it so they had to make certain decisions.

 

Isnt this the basic story of Evil vs Good that goes back thousands of years?

 

Perhaps this is the truth behind that story?

 

 

 

 

 

i often think the name of the series has very little to do with being stranded on an island, and is more an adjective to describe the viewers experience! but that's why i love it!

 

We think alike you and I. I was just having this same conversation this morning. I also brought up the Eden thing, could Eden have originally been located in Tunisia? I know that a lot of people say it was located in the Middle east but is Tunisia considered that to be in the ME? Just a theory I'm working on(every read Paradise lost?). I get the feeling that a story like the Bible is being told and we are the witnesses.

[extrahammer]

I think I've mentioned this before ... but Jeff is a close college friend of two of the exec producers on the show. He gets the best info because he's really the only media guy that's inside the inner circle of Bad Robot. He always gets the scoop on their projects, LOST being the most prominent. Anything that comes from him really comes from Bad Robot. (No offense to Jeff's journalistic integrity. He's a good writer and a good guy in his own right).

 

You, UConnJames, Jokeman, huey, and a few others make THIS THREAD really good as well.

 

Btw..

 

Tonight's episode is called "What Kate Does"...

[UConn James]

Guide Listing

 

LOST | Episode 6.02 | "LA X (Part 2)" Repeat | ABC 8 p.m.

 

The aftermath from the detonation of the hydrogen bomb is revealed.

 

LOST | Episode 6.03 | "What Kate Does" | ABC 9 p.m.

 

Kate is on the run while Jack must do something that could jeopardize the life of a friend.

[UConn James]

- Our ABC station was running an obnoxiously large school cancellation widget that took up the bottom 1/3 of the screen through the whole show. F--kers. One had a message below it where they usually list length of delay info, replaced to a "We're sad we won't see you tomorrow :-/". Seriously? An text emoticon on a school cancellation notice? Grow up, people.

 

- There's been some nice moments of Arzt at LAX. Tonight: "I'm walkin' here! I'm walkin' here!!

 

- This ep. centered on the Kate-Claire connection. What formed on the island is replicated in LA. Claire is still preggers in the sideways flash. The adoptive parents have split up (how did the psychic not see that that coming?!? Or maybe, again, he did) and Claire has labor pains much earlier than on the island, 36 weeks... then doesn't.

 

Then the shoe drops. Dr. Goodspeed?!!?? So, when Oceanic doesn't crash, 3 years later, Ethan just happens to be in LA. Nope. As I wrote last week, I'm getting the feeling that all of this since the S3 finale was the desired/known effect of the "Secondary protocol."

 

- Aldo fell for the "Wookie prisoner gag" in S3, and now, to prove how good he is, he gets owned by Kate and shot by a very Rousseau-like Claire.

 

- As Miles said, Hurley's in charge now? We've got Sawyer blaming himself for Juliet's death... b/c it all started when he talked her out of taking the sub in '74 "Because I didn't want to be alone." We've got Jack saying, "I don't trust myself!"... enough to be making decisions, b/c he's made a lot of bad ones lately. As Doc Jensen wrote, there's a crisis of leadership among the group. Jack and Sawyer both acted for selfish reasons which led to their current situation.

 

Sawyer had a ring hidden underneath the floorboards, and throws it, Desmond-style into the drink. Anybody with Tivo and the DVD for "Flashes Before Your Eyes"... Am I mistaken or did that look like the same ring? Again, the conceit of the mysterious box with unknown contents appears. As I linked to in last season's thread, this is a favorite device of JJ Abrams. Video link that is well worth watching. Speaking of JJ... tgreg, for a little insider info, is it definite that he's still hands-off of the series now that it's down to the wire? Do he and Lindelof/Cuse talk?

 

- Dogen and Lennon don't seem to have many friggin' translations for the most important things we want to know. Again, we get "infected" and now, we get that Sayid has been "claimed" apparently by the smoke monster side. And they try to kill him. Not cool, Dogen & Lennon. Not cool at all. Claire too, they say.

 

Speaking of leadership issues before, Dogen has some of his own. Explains that he uses the language barrier to "distance" himself from his people when they don't like his decisions. Jack wouldn't know anything about that, man. Slightest thing happens, he's there with a speech. Interesting baseball connection b/w the two (it is evidently Jack's favorite game, per his conversation with Lapidis in S4).

 

Their test of Sayid looked pretty familiar, no? At least the electrocution part. I don't know where we are in the curve, but it's continuing to follow the pattern of general themes happening backward/mirrored. What happened b/w Jin's flashes on the French team... (or afterward)? Did Rousseau learn how to test for the "sickness" from the Others? Perhaps she was she diagnosed the same way?

[Ramius]

Interesting episode again, after what i thought was a lackluster premiere. I think i liked this episode much better because they went back to story development as opposed to the straight "introduction" mode of the premiere.

 

That being said, i'm not sold on Dogen's group at the Temple. They are all too creepy and sketchy, in a season 1-2 "others" kind of way. Maybe its Dogen's way of acting, or the fact that they all follow what exactly he says without questioning it. there's something very odd about that group. I think there's a serious conflict of what they deem as "good" versus what The Losties deem as "good". They've got that whole attitude towards the Losties as "you're not supposed to be here, but since you are, you're not leaving" that we saw from the Others in earlier seasons. Thusfar, the Losties seem to be the onyl group of people involved with the island to consider themselves "special". Dharma, Others, and the Templites all feel like or think they are "chosen" to be on the island.

 

Interesting appearance of Ethan tied in again with Aaron. In one way/time or another, he's hell bent on being around or getting his hands on that kid. Obviously fate has shown that the paths of the sideways reality Losties was destined to cross paths in very similar ways to their island life. I'm not sure yet how this is going to tie in with the Island losties, or if it is going to be a direct link or an indirect/alternate type of interaction. On a somewhat related note, i wonder if they are going to re-visit or make note of Claire and her psychic with the "dont let someone else raise him" angle.

 

Claire on the jungle was a bit of a shock. She looked like rosseau and acted like her too. Perhaps Claire is searching for Aaron in the same way that Rosseau was searching for Alex? I think Claire is under the "dark" influence. She followed Christian into the jungle when we last saw her, and i got a good feeling that Christian (throughout the series on the island) is the "Dark man" in disguise.

 

Finally, i've got a hypothesis on the series end. I was talking with the girlfriend while watching it, and she thinks that the surprise ending if going to be that the Losties stay "happily ever after" on the island. After all, that would be a shocker. Playing off that, and since the series has been about repeating/recurring themes, i think that the Losties are going to become the new "Others" and that the series is going to end with some new group arriving on the island and the Losties acting like the original Others did when the Losties arrived.

[extrahammer]

Finally, i've got a hypothesis on the series end. I was talking with the girlfriend while watching it, and she thinks that the surprise ending if going to be that the Losties stay "happily ever after" on the island. After all, that would be a shocker. Playing off that, and since the series has been about repeating/recurring themes, i think that the Losties are going to become the new "Others" and that the series is going to end with some new group arriving on the island and the Losties acting like the original Others did when the Losties arrived.

 

That's probably one of the most interesting theories I've heard. And I think it would be a good ending as well.

 

Kinda interesting last night how the handled the Kate/Sawyer thing. I think they've put it to rest as Sawyer is after Juliet, not Kate. And Kate was after Sawyer I think, but she got a cold dose of reality last night. Sorry to get all soapy.

[The Jokeman]

Then the shoe drops. Dr. Goodspeed?!!?? So, when Oceanic doesn't crash, 3 years later, Ethan just happens to be in LA. Nope. As I wrote last week, I'm getting the feeling that all of this since the S3 finale was the desired/known effect of the "Secondary protocol."

 

- Dogen and Lennon don't seem to have many friggin' translations for the most important things we want to know. Again, we get "infected" and now, we get that Sayid has been "claimed" apparently by the smoke monster side. And they try to kill him. Not cool, Dogen & Lennon. Not cool at all. Claire too, they say.

 

I'm glad you took notice of Ethan's last name as starting to wonder, Ethan Goodspeed, Goodwin Stanhope and Tom Friendly, a coincidence or are they writers trying to tell us something?

 

Were they trying to kill Sayid or perhaps the darkness inside him? As I harken back to Lennon's first quote to Jack et all that if your friend here dies we're in a mess of trouble.

 

In terms of the episode, I was thinking that the couple were going to somehow be related to the island. Yet it could still happen since we have yet to see who the woman's husband is.

 

Other things that struck me was Aldo telling Justin to stay quiet about Rousseau's death, why? I think the Claire resembling Rousseau is obvious but she also reminded me of a young Eloise Hawking perhaps because she resembles her physically but just something I wanted to bring up but might not mean a thing.

 

That's probably one of the most interesting theories I've heard. And I think it would be a good ending as well.

 

Kinda interesting last night how the handled the Kate/Sawyer thing. I think they've put it to rest as Sawyer is after Juliet, not Kate. And Kate was after Sawyer I think, but she got a cold dose of reality last night. Sorry to get all soapy.

 

I was also kind of expecting Jack to kiss Kate before she went after Sawyer but that didn't materialize either. All and all the episode was good not great or earth shattering as did move the plot along and answer some questions but to be honest it didn't thrill me as much as the first hour of the premier.

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm glad you took notice of Ethan's last name as starting to wonder, Ethan Goodspeed, Goodwin Stanhope and Tom Friendly, a coincidence or are they writers trying to tell us something?

 

Goodspeed is Horace's last name. What I take from this is that Ethan and his mom evacuated the island, and he was never taken by the Others like he was in the first timeline. So it turns out that Ethan's real name is Goodspeed, Rom probably just fit with what the writers were trying to do (Ethan Rom = Other Man) in Season 1 without being able to plan for Seasons 5 and 6. I'd like to think they had this actually planned out, but that would be some real forward thinking.

 

In terms of the episode, I was thinking that the couple were going to somehow be related to the island. Yet it could still happen since we have yet to see who the woman's husband is.

 

oohhh, very good thought. i wonder if anything will ever come of it?

[Andrew in CA]

I really liked that episode, even if we didn't advance the Fake Locke (or as Jensen called him, the Locke-ness Monster) storyline.

 

My main thought after this one is- is the Dogan/Jacob team really the good team and Fake Locke's the bad? I'm starting to wonder if Jacob et al can be trusted. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Charles Widmore is sided with one or the other of these factions, just not sure which. Him being with Alpert in 1954 points to Team Jacob, but he did get kicked off the island, so maybe he went with Team Fake Locke...

[YOOOOOO]

I really liked that episode, even if we didn't advance the Fake Locke (or as Jensen called him, the Locke-ness Monster) storyline.

 

My main thought after this one is- is the Dogan/Jacob team really the good team and Fake Locke's the bad? I'm starting to wonder if Jacob et al can be trusted. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Charles Widmore is sided with one or the other of these factions, just not sure which. Him being with Alpert in 1954 points to Team Jacob, but he did get kicked off the island, so maybe he went with Team Fake Locke...

 

 

Widmore recruited Miles

 

Bram told Miles he was on the wrong team.....

 

Bram = jacob's "body guard"

 

 

not sure what all that means.....

 

sooooooo

[YOOOOOO]

A great ending would be:

 

Jack and real Locke(resurrected of course) sitting on the beach...watching a boat coming to the island(like the Jacob/MIB scene)

[The Jokeman]

Goodspeed is Horace's last name. What I take from this is that Ethan and his mom evacuated the island, and he was never taken by the Others like he was in the first timeline. So it turns out that Ethan's real name is Goodspeed, Rom probably just fit with what the writers were trying to do (Ethan Rom = Other Man) in Season 1 without being able to plan for Seasons 5 and 6. I'd like to think they had this actually planned out, but that would be some real forward thinking.

 

I really liked that episode, even if we didn't advance the Fake Locke (or as Jensen called him, the Locke-ness Monster) storyline.

 

My main thought after this one is- is the Dogan/Jacob team really the good team and Fake Locke's the bad? I'm starting to wonder if Jacob et al can be trusted. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Charles Widmore is sided with one or the other of these factions, just not sure which. Him being with Alpert in 1954 points to Team Jacob, but he did get kicked off the island, so maybe he went with Team Fake Locke...

 

Let me try this again, I'm glad you took notice of Ethan's last name as starting to wonder, Ethan Goodspeed, Goodwin Stanhope and Tom Friendly, a coincidence or are they writers trying to tell us something?

[linksfiend]

Then the shoe drops. Dr. Goodspeed?!!?? So, when Oceanic doesn't crash, 3 years later, Ethan just happens to be in LA. Nope. As I wrote last week, I'm getting the feeling that all of this since the S3 finale was the desired/known effect of the "Secondary protocol."

Remember, in the sideways timeline the island is at the bottom of the ocean - I'm guessing as of the nuclear explosion of 77. So it's not that Ethan is in LA "3 years later" but his whole story has changed - maybe he never went to the island or became an Other.

[linksfiend]

- The adoptive parents have split up (how did the psychic not see that that coming?!? Or maybe, again, he did)

Again, are we to assume that all the "flashbacks" we were originally shown that occurred between '77-'04 occur in the sideways timeline? Would Claire have even seen a psychic? I don't know how to process this information yet.

[The Jokeman]

Remember, in the sideways timeline the island is at the bottom of the ocean - I'm guessing as of the nuclear explosion of 77. So it's not that Ethan is in LA "3 years later" but his whole story has changed - maybe he never went to the island or became an Other.

As noted earlier Ethan is Horace's son and in fact was born on the Island, remember Juliette helped with the birth ironically also in '77? Yet we never learned why he joined the hostiles/The Others.

[ricojes]

Remember, in the sideways timeline the island is at the bottom of the ocean - I'm guessing as of the nuclear explosion of 77. So it's not that Ethan is in LA "3 years later" but his whole story has changed - maybe he never went to the island or became an Other.

Exactly my thought, I don't believe it's a backup plan or secondary protocol. I believe the sideways timeline is life as if none of the losties and some of the others never went to the island, but shortly we will find out what would happen had they not gone. My guess is it's something of catastrophic proportions. It is kind of interesting how the losties, or maybe in a sideways timeline "not losties", seem to have a sense of déjà vu or at least a recognition of sorts of the other losties...

[UConn James]

Remember, in the sideways timeline the island is at the bottom of the ocean - I'm guessing as of the nuclear explosion of 77. So it's not that Ethan is in LA "3 years later" but his whole story has changed - maybe he never went to the island or became an Other.

 

Still trying to fit that stuff together. In the original timeline, (baby) Ethan stayed on the island even when the woman and children were evacuated. He then became a Ben acolyte... and was evidently a part of the Purge that killed his father, Horace.

 

I don't think we know whether the Left-Behinders changed things when Miles said to get the women and children off the island. Was Ethan included in the evacuation c. '77? By his appearance here, it looks like he was.

 

Or, how he got into this spot could be something entirely different.

 

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Question: what happened to Faraday's journal after they removed the bomb core? Did Jack take it with him or did Eloise Hawking still have it?

 

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Very interesting theory here.

 

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Doc Jensen's recap of "What Kate Does."

 

I'm just getting into reading it....

 

The stuff I loved: Josh Holloway's wrenching acting as he revealed the heartbreaking disclosure that he intended to propose to Juliet; the intrigue of ''infected'' and ''claimed'' Sayid; the hilarious irony of Dr. Ethan Goodspeed; the notable camaraderie of the Temple-stuck castaways, determined to survive their latest ordeal with ''live together, die alone'' idealism and great, knowing humor. (Hurley: ''You're not a zombie, right?'' Sayid: ''No, I am not a zombie.'') And don't look now, kids, but is Jack Shephard actually getting really likable again? I loved his sincere concern for Kate and Sayid, his willingness to accept Sawyer's seething anger, and his humbled self-awareness. When he told Dogen, ''I don't even trust myself,'' Jack may have uttered the most heroic statement of his wannabe hero life, because it was so painfully honest. Superman of Science? No. Superman of Faith? No. Just Jack. And in the end, one wonders if that's exactly what he needs to be to save the day for himself and his friends.

[UConn James]

Exactly my thought, I don't believe it's a backup plan or secondary protocol. I believe the sideways timeline is life as if none of the losties and some of the others never went to the island, but shortly we will find out what would happen had they not gone. My guess is it's something of catastrophic proportions. It is kind of interesting how the losties, or maybe in a sideways timeline "not losties", seem to have a sense of déjà vu or at least a recognition of sorts of the other losties...

 

Per the Jensen write-up:

We've been told not to view the Sideways stuff as an inconsequential ''What if...?'' fairy tale about an uncrashed Oceanic 815.

 

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Also wondering about the marshal's briefcase. Kate was so hot for it (the toy plane, as it turned out) on-island, yet in this sideways-flash it's right there and she doesn't even glance at it. Hmm.

[ricojes]

We've been told not to view the Sideways stuff as an inconsequential ''What if...?'' fairy tale about an uncrashed Oceanic 815.

I don't think it's inconsequential at all, and definitely not a fairy tale ending. But I think it will become crystal clear as to why the losties needed to go to the island very soon. I also think that Aaron flat lining was a significant scene, lots of possibilities there...

 

Also wondering about the marshal's briefcase. Kate was so hot for it (the toy plane, as it turned out) on-island, yet in this sideways-flash it's right there and she doesn't even glance at it. Hmm.

Another thing that struck me was the whale inside of Claire's bag, didn't Aaron have a similar whale when Kate and Jack were his "parents"?