LOST...Season 6

[UConn James]

Started re-watching Season 5 last night so the gf could catch up. We were up until 3am, and are planning our Saturday night around finishing it. LOL

 

CAN. NOT. WAIT. FOR. TUESDAY!!

 

although, the first 4 minutes of the Season 6 premier has been sent out by the producers. I'm not going to watch it though. I'm also guessing that it is mostly what we've seen already.

 

But if you are interested...

 

 

Awesome. Yeah, without question, that's a MAJOR spoiler.

 

But I want as many freakin' spoilers as I can get.

 

Spoiler-y discussion yellow-fonted: This was something I've read about for a while now --- that the explosion resets the timeline. As Faraday explained in the DVD bonus 'extended scene,' all of the Left Behinders are variables. Anything they do affects the future (and with that, Sayid shooting Ben, etc. didn't happen originally)... But most of the things they do aren't big/important enough to change the course of events. As Faraday draws the metaphor, it's like throwing a pebble in the stream --- its effect is minimal. But destroying the Swan site/energy is like dropping a huge boulder in the stream --- it's effect on the course of events is a major "course correction." This clip still introduces some questions in the meantime. 1) Why did the plane still shake at that moment? 2) Do Jack et al remember what happened in the alternate timeline? I believe the answer to #2 is yes... for those Losties whom Jacob touched, if only b/c a blank slate at this point in the series is a total cop-out.

 

I would also guess that Juliet's prolonged absence (in the real world, for her new show, "V") will be explained by her being transported akin to when Ben and Locke moved the "frozen donkey wheel." Altho her exit point will not be Tunisia, like it was for the Orchid's energy. In one way, Juliet's story might be similar to Desmond's when he turned the Swan key (since Juliet is over the Swan's energy). The "exit" for the Swan appears to be the island. When she will show up is the question.

 

[UConn James]

Just caught ~ the last 15 minutes of the season 6 premiere. Yeah, you read that right.

 

Someone put up a crappy internet feed of the "Sunset on the Beach" LOST premiere party in Hawai'i. A big screen was set up. 'Course, somebody had to keep revving up their friggin' motorcycle during a 5-minute span. Probably Lindelof!

 

It was kind of what I expected, and then again, it wasn't.

 

W/o giving away its context, the highlight quote of this ep: "I'm sorry you had to see that."

[YOOOOOO]

Epi 1 season 6 is floating around the interwebs....

 

 

seen it

 

 

 

were in for a ride

[plenzmd1]

Epi 1 season 6 is floating around the interwebs....

 

 

seen it

 

 

 

were in for a ride

 

Dam, now do i wait??haven't watched any of the clips yet or read any spoilers...I am waiting till Tuesday for big screen and good sound

[UConn James]

There is now a fuller S6 preview video available.

 

This was released by ABC yesterday, but it's located on a spoiler site, so don't say I didn't warn you. I would expect that it will be the after-ep 'next week' preview.

 

After hearing so long that no one was going to see a bit of the premiere until 2/2, this is a bit discombobulating. There's now a big part of me that's saying not to snoop around any more, and enjoy each bite we've got left w/o getting a look at it being made in the kitchen. But then, there's the part of me that figures I'm already 'LOST Impure' so I might as well go for broke. I'm pretty sure I'm going to avoid the Web stuff from this point on. It just makes discussion easier not to be full of spoiler material that I'd have to hold back on.

[duey]

Oh baby...I can't friggin' wait!!!

[DrDawkinstein]

this close to the premier, im not going to bother with spoilers and leaked scenes.

 

im just going to take it as it comes. but once the season starts, you can bet ill be all over the boards, trying to dig up info!!

 

ONE MORE DAY!!

[UConn James]

19 1/2 hours!

 

Didn't realize that the premiere party was so well-attended. Quite a few who flew especially for it. Hawai'i is really going to miss the show, economically. The millions spent on production, etc. You'd be surprised how many tourists it helps attract, or at least puts people over the tipping point of deciding on it over, say, Florida.

 

Also, the Top 25 "LOST" quotes, according to some dude. My personal favorite?

"Those things had to happen to me. That was my destiny. But you'll understand soon enough that there are consequences to being chosen... because, destiny, John, is a fickle B word." -- Benjamin Linus, Cabin Fever

[DrDawkinstein]

19 1/2 hours!

 

Didn't realize that the premiere party was so well-attended. Quite a few who flew especially for it. Hawai'i is really going to miss the show, economically. The millions spent on production, etc. You'd be surprised how many tourists it helps attract, or at least puts people over the tipping point of deciding on it over, say, Florida.

 

Also, the Top 25 "LOST" quotes, according to some dude. My personal favorite?

 

9.5 more hours!! im getting giddy like a kid on xmas eve

 

ive had a few friends vacation in hawaii and get some great pics at recognizable locations.

 

the field where hurly and co. were golfing (season1) is pretty open territory. i need to make a pilgrimage

[Hazed and Amuzed]

9.5 more hours!! im getting giddy like a kid on xmas eve

 

ive had a few friends vacation in hawaii and get some great pics at recognizable locations.

 

the field where hurly and co. were golfing (season1) is pretty open territory. i need to make a pilgrimage

 

 

I'm with you on this one, I even took the night off(something I used to do when the Bills were good and would have a playoff game). This is the closest I've had to that feeling since.

[UConn James]

Well, here we go with the guide listing...

 

LOST | "Final Chapter" re-cap | ABC, 8 p.m.

 

A chapter in the crash of Oceanic flight 815 on the mysterious island spotlights inhabitants, questions that have been answered, and those that remain a mystery.

 

LOST | "LA X (Parts 1 & 2)" | ABC 9-11 p.m.

 

The aftermath from the detonation of the hydrogen bomb is revealed.

[plenzmd1]

Well, here we go with the guide listing...

 

T - 4.14 . Lord, I am finding it so hard not to look at that preview. Actually, I usually will not start watching until about 20 minutes in, so I can skip the commercials, but tonight may have to not start until 8.45 or so. That will give me time to skip commercials and prolly end up pretty close to 11.

[CosmicBills]

The work put in on this final season is mind blowing. It's a credit to all the hard working, behind the scenes folks (and of course Damon and Carlton). The results will speak for themselves.

 

It's going to be a lot of fun!

[Andrew in CA]

I can't concentrate on anything today... I don't think I've been this excited since I was a little kid! I'll also be refraining from using internet or looking at text messages until it finishes here on the West Coast- can't take any chances, I'm living spoiler-free.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Okay, so I'm guessing that the Airplane/Airport "Flash" is a flash-forward to how the show ends. Has FuManChu been there the whole time? Where is "Home" to Smokie and why is he disappointed in everyone?

[TheMadCap]

Sayid isn't here Mrs. Torrance...

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Sayid isn't here Mrs. Torrance...

 

 

Nope I think it's Jacob.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Disappointing premiere, if you ask me. Poorly written and poorly acted, compared to the standards we're accustomed to.

[RayFinkle]

Disappointing premiere, if you ask me. Poorly written and poorly acted, compared to the standards we're accustomed to.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Dude....did you start watching at 10, because it started at 9.

[UConn James]

Also, a bit of shop talk, Matthew Fox has announced that post-LOST, he will not be doing TV work anymore. And Evangeline Lily has announced that post-LOST, she will be walking away from acting, totally.

 

The work put in on this final season is mind blowing. It's a credit to all the hard working, behind the scenes folks (and of course Damon and Carlton). The results will speak for themselves.

 

It's going to be a lot of fun!

 

[UConn James]

- On 815, Jack has noticeably longer hair than in the original pilot ep. In a show as meticulous as this wrt appearance, this can't be accidental.

 

- 815 still shakes before the pilot says it was "rough air." Was it just turbulence? Island is now ~20 ft. underwater in this Alt World. I don't get how that could happen.

 

- Des on 815. Holy crap! I'm thinking his appearance may be similar to how Eloise Hawking showed up to him in 1996. Or how Ethan walked past Juliet in "Not in Portland." Something weird to it... My thoughts at the time were that it creates a constant to prevent the aneurysm effects.

 

- "I'm sorry you had to see me like that." If there was any doubt left that Flocke = Smoke monster = MIB, that doubt was removed.

 

- Why does Jack linger on 815? It's almost like he and the other Losties sense something, but they don't remember... at least not yet. It'd be disappointing if all the histrionics of the past 5 seasons are gone. But, as it's happening, these peoples' lives are interconnected. There's nothing they can do to change their paths crossing. I guess we'll just see if they can "change the equation" now that they have a second chance.

 

- If they're "back" in 2007(?) why did Richard tell Sun last season that he 'saw them all die' in 1977?

 

- How did Juliet know that the bomb worked before she died... right after she said that it didn't work? "Fickle B word" even in death? ... Or was that sentence she said about "Let's get a cup of coffee sometime. We'll go Dutch" a bit of 'course correction'/temporal shift talk? e.g. how Charlotte said she "couldn't have chocolate before dinner" during the flashes, and then we later saw young Charlotte say that line to Daniel. (Her mind had to catch up with what was changed in the timeline).

 

- MIB - "I want to go home." Where is home? Maybe more importantly, when is home? He kicks Richard's ass, and from the comment, it appears that Richard was on the "Black Rock" in some capacity or other.

 

- I think it's fairly obvious, but Sayid = Jacob.

 

We've finally seen some of the interior Temple.

[udonkey]

Nope I think it's Jacob.

 

Has to be - unless the other guy can be 2 places at once.

[UConn James]

Has to be - unless the other guy can be 2 places at once.

 

To some degree, he may be. From Flocke's talk with Ben about Locke's life and his "I don't understand" thought as he died, it's like he was lurking inside of Locke from the beginning. Add in his "Do you have any idea what I've been through to be here?" and I suspect that at least a part of the smoke monster/MIB has inhabited Locke since his birth. It's not like it took over Locke completely. Iit was like... a virus. But it did seem to influence Locke's enjoyment of games, history, hunting, and his anger.

[Andrew in CA]

Disappointing premiere, if you ask me. Poorly written and poorly acted, compared to the standards we're accustomed to.

I don't know what you were watching- that was the strongest premiere the series has ever had, including the pilot.

[Andrew in CA]

OK- so wtf is up with these 2 timelines? What's real and what's not? Obviously, something is up with the airplane/LAX timeline, as not only is Jack's hair much longer, as UConn noted, but Desmond on the plane (and then not?), Shannon not on it, and Jack looking like he knows something's off.... just what the hell is going on?! I knew that Carlton and Damon said they had a new narrative going this season, but this is mindblowing right now- just can't figure out what is happening, especially with the island underwater in the LA timeline.

 

These writers know how to drag you in and make you want more and more.

 

Great to finally see the temple and those who were taken from the tail section, and great to see some of the old crew back [boone, Charlie, and Claire]. And I hope this is the end of Juliet once and for all- the worst character on Lost, IMO.

 

Sayid's gotta be Jacob. Also, why didn't the Jacob bodyguard crew just ice Fake-Locke when he came out of the statue, or at least when he laid the beat down on Alpert?

 

It's great to see Ben in this new role of total pawn, totally confused and clueless- it's so unlike him and it's about time.

[DrDawkinstein]

where to even begin?!?!

 

first off, another great premier. if there is one thing they do well in this series its their premiers and finales. ...i guess that's two things technically. ha!

 

ok, the bomb "worked"!

 

I think what we will end up seeing is that Juliet had a Desmond-like experience when she detonated the bomb. What was an instant flash for the rest of the group, might have been a much longer journey for Juliet, until she woke up under the hatch. It's quite possible that during this journey, she either witnesses the other time line, or Mrs Hawking tells her that it worked.

 

now how they are going to explain the alternate time-line, i have no idea. whether it's going to be an alternate universe thing. or a case where the LOSTies are now stuck on the island forever because there are "other" versions of them living in real life. i dont know.

 

wrt MiB knowing Locke's last thoughts. We know that Smokey reads people minds. I'm fairly certain that he can read people's memories even if they are dead. so my guess is that he got to Locke's body in the cargo hull and extracted his most recent memories. it's just my opinion, but i doubt that he was "in" Locke anytime before the return to the island. Locke was simply a manipulated pawn who had his faith played, i dont think he was a "costume" for MiB until the return.

 

lots more to talk about, but my boss is currently watching me type this so i need to wrap it up!

 

back later to discuss more!

[The Jokeman]

To me the "it worked" comment likely a comment of preventing 815 from crashing.

 

Yet the questions lingers why don't the 2007 Lostaways acknowledge this. Yet the stewardess from 815 at the Temple mentioned that Jack et all were from the "first" flight" not sure if this means anything more then they weren't part of the new crew from 316 or not but it's a line that stuck with me. Another line that stuck with me was Charlie commenting that he was supposed to die.

 

Agreed that Smokey is reading people's thoughts after their dead as think is "it's" way of convincing other people that it's human. As starting to believe that Smokey is the devil and Jacob is God/Jesus or whatever you want to call your "Good deity" whereas Smokey is obviously the bad. White vs Black etc. As also remember comments about stuck on a rock could mean the island but think more of a comment about earth itself. Smokey's home ultimately might be hell.

 

Smokey's commenting about seeing Richard in chains opens up that we could see the Richard back story episode, that I for one and sure many others crave.

 

Locke's discussion with Jack at the end was touching and opens up the idea that perhaps Jack can fix Locke. Yet again questions remain about the purpose of the island etc.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

To me the "it worked" comment likely a comment of preventing 815 from crashing.

 

 

Remember that right before Juliet told Sawyer that she had something important to say she said that they should "go get coffee" and that they should "go dutch" if you add that with how strange Miles acts after channelling her and his vague response "It worked" I want to believe that Juliet becomes stuck in between universes like Desmond became stuck through time. Geez that was a long sentence.

[RayFinkle]

Remember that right before Juliet told Sawyer that she had something important to say she said that they should "go get coffee" and that they should "go dutch" if you add that with how strange Miles acts after channelling her and his vague response "It worked" I want to believe that Juliet becomes stuck in between universes like Desmond became stuck through time. Geez that was a long sentence.

Agreed. It sounded like Juliet was asking out Sawyer in the "real world".

[geggytah]

So why exactly are we "certain" that Sayid = Jacob? Sorry if it's obvious but I clearly didn't think enough or missed something if it is that obvious.

[DrDawkinstein]

... Well, we're led to believe it's Jacob because Jacob asked Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple and told the Others that if Sayid died, there would be dire consequences. Plus, there was a very clear allusion to Christ being carried off the cross when Sayid was pulled from the spring and laid to rest on the cloth.

 

Since we know that Smokey possessed Locke, and that the MIB and Jacob are kind of equals when it comes to supernatural powers, we can assume that Jacob needed a body to inhabit once Ben killed him. Enter Sayid.

 

further on this, i would then think that the "people" we have seen Jacob and Smokey as originally (when they were on the beach together) does not actually represent who or what they are either.

 

the person that we have seen Jacob as, could have been a previous island visitor that got possessed as well.

[DrDawkinstein]

With one exception, everyone that Smokey (or Jacob) has "embodied" has been dead and brought to the island (Eko's brother, Jack's father, Locke). The only exception has been Walt -- but that could be because Walt wasn't possessed at all but he was just "special".

 

Oh, and I guess Kate's horse counts too. That would be another exception to this rule.

 

indeed, i should have stated a "deceased" previous island visitor.

 

depending on how Sci-Fi they really want to take it, Jacob and Smokey could easily be aliens whose ship (island) crashed here long ago.

[UConn James]

To me the "it worked" comment likely a comment of preventing 815 from crashing.

 

Yet the questions lingers why don't the 2007 Lostaways acknowledge this. Yet the stewardess from 815 at the Temple mentioned that Jack et all were from the "first" flight" not sure if this means anything more then they weren't part of the new crew from 316 or not but it's a line that stuck with me. Another line that stuck with me was Charlie commenting that he was supposed to die.

 

Agreed that Smokey is reading people's thoughts after their dead as think is "it's" way of convincing other people that it's human. As starting to believe that Smokey is the devil and Jacob is God/Jesus or whatever you want to call your "Good deity" whereas Smokey is obviously the bad. White vs Black etc. As also remember comments about stuck on a rock could mean the island but think more of a comment about earth itself. Smokey's home ultimately might be hell.

 

Smokey's commenting about seeing Richard in chains opens up that we could see the Richard back story episode, that I for one and sure many others crave.

 

Locke's discussion with Jack at the end was touching and opens up the idea that perhaps Jack can fix Locke. Yet again questions remain about the purpose of the island etc.

 

... Well, we're led to believe it's Jacob because Jacob asked Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple and told the Others that if Sayid died, there would be dire consequences. Plus, there was a very clear allusion to Christ being carried off the cross when Sayid was pulled from the spring and laid to rest on the cloth.

 

Since we know that Smokey possessed Locke, and that the MIB and Jacob are kind of equals when it comes to supernatural powers, we can assume that Jacob needed a body to inhabit once Ben killed him. Enter Sayid.

 

Darlton said on Jimmy Kimmel last night that the Sayid=Jacob idea is basically right, but there will be some fine-tuning of this yet to come.

 

Some things that have bothered me a bit... 1) Rousseau's baby was stolen from her in 1988, by Ben and Ethan. Ben was then back in Dharmaville in 1992 for the Purge. What's up with that? Was it like a Others Reserve weekend for Ben?

2) There's also Faraday's assertion that exploding the H-bomb over the Swan will stop the freighter from ever coming to the island. Is that necessarily so? Or could all of what happened with the O6, etc. --- all of it --- been part of the "secondary protocol"? I dunno what to make of the situation of the island being underwater in the Alt world. W/Could Widmore's intentions still be accomplished?

 

Also, it seems a pretty good guess now that the box Ben took out of the motel vent before 316 left was his ankh.

[linksfiend]

I have a few comments and a few questions:

 

C1: I love reading this board then rewatching the episode over the weekend. Most of your comments are very insightful.

 

C2: I'm intrigued by Jokeman's comment highlighting Cindy's "first flight" statement. I'm guessing that Christian's body disappeared during the turbulence of the second flight. So that first flight / second flight comment could be revealing.

 

Q1: So now if there are two realities with two flights, where does the underwater island fit in?

[linksfiend]

Oh, my other question was:

 

Q2: If Jacob took over Sayid's body like Smokey took over Locke's when Locke was dead, doesn't that mean Sayid is also dead? And, if Sayid is dead, then isn't everyone in "deep trouble" or whatever Jacob said would happen if Sayid died? Thus, I wouldn't be too positive that it is Jacob in Sayid's body.

[DrDawkinstein]

I have a few comments and a few questions:

 

C1: I love reading this board then rewatching the episode over the weekend. Most of your comments are very insightful.

 

C2: I'm intrigued by Jokeman's comment highlighting Cindy's "first flight" statement. I'm guessing that Christian's body disappeared during the turbulence of the second flight. So that first flight / second flight comment could be revealing.

 

Q1: So now if there are two realities with two flights, where does the underwater island fit in?

 

if anyone is able to rewatch that clip now, can we clarify whether she said "first flight" or "first plane"?

 

remember there have now been TWO plane crashes on the island. Flights 815 and 316.

 

i was under the impression that she meant "the plane i was on from 3 years ago, not the one that crashed a couple days ago". but i could be wrong....

[TheMadCap]

I immediately thought that both Jacob and his "brother" are beings who continually resurrect into new bodies when they die to continue their struggles. This spring facillitates this process. It is highly possible that they have both done this several times, and the the men we know as Jacob and his nemesis (should be call him Esau?) are past visitors to the island that were possessed by the White and the Black?

 

Does it also follow that while Esau is the smoke (aka monster, or evil, black presence), the animated dead people seen throughout the series (boone, walt, christian) are manifestations of Jacob (white, the light, good) trying to help the islanders?

 

Seeing the island underwater also, for some reason, made me think of Walt appearing to Shannon soaking wet...

[DrDawkinstein]

I immediately thought that both Jacob and his "brother" are beings who continually resurrect into new bodies when they die to continue their struggles. This spring facillitates this process. It is highly possible that they have both done this several times, and the the men we know as Jacob and his nemesis (should be call him Esau?) are past visitors to the island that were possessed by the White and the Black?

 

Does it also follow that while Esau is the smoke (aka monster, or evil, black presence), the animated dead people seen throughout the series (boone, walt, christian) are manifestations of Jacob (white, the light, good) trying to help the islanders?

 

Seeing the island underwater also, for some reason, made me think of Walt appearing to Shannon soaking wet...

 

great catch!!

[The Jokeman]

I immediately thought that both Jacob and his \"brother\" are beings who continually resurrect into new bodies when they die to continue their struggles. This spring facillitates this process. It is highly possible that they have both done this several times, and the the men we know as Jacob and his nemesis (should be call him Esau?) are past visitors to the island that were possessed by the White and the Black?

From their conversation on the beach it's obvious that Jacob and MiB/Esau have done this game in the past. As perhaps they bring people to the island to test humanity. Yet think we saw Esau tell Ben in Locke form that he's tired of the game and wants to go home and might be why he killed Jacob. Yet appears Jacob is going to one up him and reappear as Sayid.

 

 

With one exception, everyone that Smokey (or Jacob) has \"embodied\" has been dead and brought to the island (Eko\'s brother, Jack\'s father, Locke). The only exception has been Walt -- but that could be because Walt wasn\'t possessed at all but he was just \"special\".

 

Oh, and I guess Kate\'s horse counts too. That would be another exception to this rule.

What about Ben's mother? As it was the vision of his mother (now the question is was this vision Jacob or Mib/Esau?) that caused young Ben to venture into the woods and find The Others. Another thing I forgot to bring up and probably it's obvious but with the ash circles it appear likely that Jacob was in the cabin and The Others were trying to protect him from Mib/Esau and likely why only Ben and Richard were the only ones that were supposed to meet with him.

 

if anyone is able to rewatch that clip now, can we clarify whether she said \"first flight\" or \"first plane\"?

 

remember there have now been TWO plane crashes on the island. Flights 815 and 316.

 

i was under the impression that she meant \"the plane i was on from 3 years ago, not the one that crashed a couple days ago\". but i could be wrong....

I just watched it again and the the quote was, "I know who they are. They were on the first plane, Oceanic 815, along with me". As I originally stated, I think the obvious connection is to think 815 vs 316 but again I just wonder... I mean if Oceanic Flight 815 lands in LA like we see in 2004 the question still remains why are Lostaways are on the island in 2007 and why would Sawyer be ranting about things didn't work when it appears it did when we see him in the LA airport and of course this is what we'll find out in the next few weeks.

[Justice]

I'm with you on this one, I even took the night off(something I used to do when the Bills were good and would have a playoff game). This is the closest I've had to that feeling since.

 

I said the same exact thing to my brother.

 

I don't know what you were watching- that was the strongest premiere the series has ever had, including the pilot.

 

Seriously, that dude is on some s**t. I loved every minute of the premiere. I thought it was masterfull.

 

 

where to even begin?!?!

 

first off, another great premier. if there is one thing they do well in this series its their premiers and finales. ...i guess that's two things technically. ha!

 

ok, the bomb "worked"!

 

I think what we will end up seeing is that Juliet had a Desmond-like experience when she detonated the bomb. What was an instant flash for the rest of the group, might have been a much longer journey for Juliet, until she woke up under the hatch. It's quite possible that during this journey, she either witnesses the other time line, or Mrs Hawking tells her that it worked.

 

now how they are going to explain the alternate time-line, i have no idea. whether it's going to be an alternate universe thing. or a case where the LOSTies are now stuck on the island forever because there are "other" versions of them living in real life. i dont know.

 

wrt MiB knowing Locke's last thoughts. We know that Smokey reads people minds. I'm fairly certain that he can read people's memories even if they are dead. so my guess is that he got to Locke's body in the cargo hull and extracted his most recent memories. it's just my opinion, but i doubt that he was "in" Locke anytime before the return to the island. Locke was simply a manipulated pawn who had his faith played, i dont think he was a "costume" for MiB until the return.

 

lots more to talk about, but my boss is currently watching me type this so i need to wrap it up!

 

back later to discuss more!

 

Maybe that's why Jacob chose whom he chose to be on the island. Each person has a different gift and combined they have what Smokey has.

 

Here's some examples, Hurley can see dead people, the oriental guy can hear dead people's thoughts, Jack is a doctor/healer, Sayid can get down and dirty etc etc etc.

 

Jacob probably needed these "gifts" from these people to compete with Smokey's powers.