C.Biscuit97 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html The Eagles traded for Jason Peters to replace Thomas, now with Jacksonville. A change of scenery has not helped Peters, who struggled with Buffalo last season. Peters has allowed four sacks in seven games this season and 15 1/2 sacks in his last 20 games. A couple things: 1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better. 2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I can't argue with anything you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I can't argue with anything you said. nor can I. although I would like to point out that with the $$ Ralph saved by switching to geico he could have eaten Jaurons contract and get a real coach and OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I am sure he is still lazy and thinks he is better than he really is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html A couple things: 1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better. 2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us. I'm not defending Peters, but is giving up 4 sacks in nearly a half season really all that bad? The big pressure point on an o-line is on its left side because it's the blind side, and when a team gives up 25-30 sacks per year total, that's actually really good. For instance, the Bills have suffered under 38 sacks once in the past decade -- 2007 (26 sacks allowed, which incidentally was Peters' one truly great season in Buffalo). The other years are generally in the mid-40s and occasionally in the 50s (dreadful). The sacks have to come from somewhere, and teams do put their best pass rushers at the RDE spot (or the ROLB spot if its a 3-4). I mean, the sacks have to be assigned to someone. Moreover, the Eagles are third in points and 15th in yards, and they've been without their starting QB for a couple of games. Plus they're fifth overall in rushing yards per attempt despite missing Westbrook for 2+ games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 I'm not defending Peters, but is giving up 4 sacks in nearly a half season really all that bad? The big pressure point on an o-line is on its left side because it's the blind side, and when a team gives up 25-30 sacks per year total, that's actually really good. For instance, the Bills have suffered under 38 sacks once in the past decade -- 2007 (26 sacks allowed, which incidentally was Peters' one truly great season in Buffalo). The other years are generally in the mid-40s and occasionally in the 50s (dreadful). The sacks have to come from somewhere, and teams do put their best pass rushers at the RDE spot (or the ROLB spot if its a 3-4). I mean, the sacks have to be assigned to someone. Moreover, the Eagles are third in points and 15th in yards, and they've been without their starting QB for a couple of games. Plus they're fifth overall in rushing yards per attempt despite missing Westbrook for 2+ games. Fair enough. But it's 6 games (he got hurt early in the Raiders game). He has also given up 3 in last 2 games against division teams (Giants and Redskins). The other teams the Eagles have played: Bucs, PAnthers, Chiefs, Saints (allowed a sack). Don't get me wrong. He is a good runblocker. But I think long term it will be a better move for us and the myth of Peters being an elite LT is just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Fair enough. But it's 6 games (he got hurt early in the Raiders game). He has also given up 3 in last 2 games against division teams (Giants and Redskins). The other teams the Eagles have played: Bucs, PAnthers, Chiefs, Saints (allowed a sack). Don't get me wrong. He is a good runblocker. But I think long term it will be a better move for us and the myth of Peters being an elite LT is just that. I'll tell you what -- let's wait and see where things stand once the season is over before making an evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I'll tell you what -- let's wait and see where things stand once the season is over before making an evaluation. He's been playing on a bad ankle according to the injury reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Let's not mention that Philly likely began tampering with him through his agent two years ago - letting them know what they'd pay him. That's right, I said tampering... and don't ask me for a link. There's not an Internet link to everything, but there is a link to everything. Screw Peters, his agent and the EEEGirls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Let's not mention that Philly likely began tampering with him through his agent two years ago - letting them know what they'd pay him. That's right, I said tampering... and don't ask me for a link. There's not an Internet link to everything, but there is a link to everything. Screw Peters, his agent and the EEEGirls. I need a link or I don't believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I need a link or I don't believe you. The best I could do on such short notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBlood Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Peters could have been a dominant LT if he wouldnt have started drinking his own Kool-Aid. The guy was talented as hell but even in his first Pro Bowl year he was still raw and had a lot of learning to do. If he would have realized that he still had a long way to go and would have kept his nose to the grindstone he would have developed into a dominant LT........ but nooooo he saw his vote to the Pro Bowl as a message that he was done in his development and could now coast along on his talent alone. That has now blown up in his face. Yes 6 sacks in half a season out of your top paid LT is bad. A top end LT should not let up more than a handful of sacks in a BAD year. He is not that guy.... and thats his fault because he could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 I'll tell you what -- let's wait and see where things stand once the season is over before making an evaluation. Well to be completely fair, you need to wait really 3 years at least to see how our rookies come along. But still Peters is a vet who supposedly is an elite player (at least, he is paid like one). If I was an Eagles fan, I'd want instant results. But you are correct overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 He's been playing on a bad ankle according to the injury reports. Peters' injured??? Shocking. Injuries are part of determining a player's worth. And lately, Peters seems to get a lot of them. I don't think it is a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 He's been playing on a bad ankle according to the injury reports. Yeah, and everyone else is 100% healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boom Jam Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html A couple things: 1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better. 2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us. I agree. Imagine what this line will be like should the front office do the unthinkable and draft Charles Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I'm not defending Peters, but is giving up 4 sacks in nearly a half season really all that bad? Actually yes...if you claim to be the best LT in football and ask for a record deal. I mean your average LT can give up 4 sacks in 6 games. So what are you paying $11M a year for? To watch him in the pro bowl? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html A couple things: 1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better. 2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us. My worthless opinion on the Peters trade scenario: Peters is the best LT in the game when he cares/tries. Peters is a worthless POS because he only wanted money and does not care or try. Its too bad he doesnt love football, because he could have been great. I did not want him on this team. I love Eric Wood. He is my favortie player onthe team. I have been trying to buy a jersey of his from China but none of them know what I am talkin about. I cant believe the Bills FO wanted a 4 and 6 round pick instead of a 3rd? I cant believe we got their second 1st and not 1st. The Bills made a huge mistake not getting an LT. This mistake cause us to lose another T - Walker - who was solid on the right side. All in all I am glad we ditched Peters, but not exactly happy with how the entire thing panned out. Now I would be really please if we added some (plural) young Ts this draft/off season./ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 This topic is just so tired. A reflection on how poorly our season has gone IMO. If the Bills were playing well this would have been long ago forgotten. Bottom line for me is that the Peter's situation is one among many where the Bills demonstrated they are incompetently managed. Yes, maybe the Bills got the "better" end of this one specific trade (hard to say absolutley) but so what when you look at it in the big picture. The fact simply is that the Bills o-line is an absolute mess and as a result this season has been pissed away. Poor o-line play has also left open the question - do we neeed to draft a QB yet again? Don't get me wrong, not defending TE but it is possible to argue that maybe he would be a servicable QB if he had a decent line that also supported a decent run game. At the end of the day I assume we will and should draft another QB so we once again suffer through the "learning curve" next season. I simply pray that we get a truly solid GM in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 You Peters bashers are in big trouble once Thurman1 and Mickey see this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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