DOM vs MARTY

[jax bill backer]

Who is better THE DOM OR MARTY... SORRY THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR BILLS FORUM

 

I will leave you with Dom has 6 Vezina's and Marty has four.

 

Imply all you want Bills fan 89 but Dom had a better all around game.

[Wilson from Gamehendge]

Dominik Hasek revolutionized the game with his style...he also has WAY MORE credentials than just the Vezina's. It is laughable to even think somebody compares Brodeur to the Dominator. (He "shut door!")

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominik_Ha%C5%A1ek

 

 

He may be the BEST Goalie of ALL-TIME.

 

AWARDS:

Hart Memorial Trophy 1997, 1998

Lester B. Pearson Award 1997, 1998

Vezina Trophy 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001

William M. Jennings Trophy 1994, 2001, 2008

NHL First All-Star Team 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001

NHL All-Rookie Team 1991–92

All-Star Game 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 (did not play due to injury), 2002

 

RECORDS:

In nine seasons with the Buffalo Sabres, Hašek acquired over 25 franchise records, including most all-time games played, wins, shutouts and lowest goals against average.[21] He also holds the Sabres' record for most shutouts in a single season with 13 in 1997–98, and lowest goals against average in a single season with a total of 1.87 in 1998–99. During the Detroit Red Wings' championship run in 2002, Hašek set franchise records for most games played, minutes played, wins and shutouts in a playoff year. He holds several notable NHL records:

 

Regular Season -

 

Before retirement

3rd place — Most shutouts of all active players

4th place — Most wins of all active players

 

All-time

1st place — Highest career save percent (.922)

1st place — Most games played by a European born goaltender (694)

6th place — Most shutouts (81)

8th place — Lowest goals against average (2.20)

10th place — Most wins (389)

 

First European goalie to lead the NHL in GAA (1993–94)

First goalie since 1974 to have a GAA below 2.00 (1993–94)

Most shutouts in one month (six in 97–98)

 

Playoffs -

 

Before retirement

3rd place — Most shutouts of all active players (15)

4th place — Most wins of all active players (61)

 

All-time

2nd place — Most shutouts in one season (6)

3rd place — Most shutouts (15)

10th place — Most wins (61)

 

 

MILESTONES:

Hašek earned his 300th National Hockey League win on October 15, 2005, in a 5–1 home victory with the Ottawa Senators over the Boston Bruins. He stopped 34 of 35 shots and was holding a shutout until Bruins forward Pat Leahy jammed a loose puck under him three minutes into the third period. He became the twenty-second goaltender to reach the milestone. He is the oldest goaltender in NHL history to post a 30-win season, and in 1997, he became the first goaltender to win the Lester B. Pearson Award for most outstanding player in the league. He is also the only goaltender to win the Hart Trophy twice for most valuable player, and was only one Vezina Trophy away from tying Jacques Plante's record of seven. Hašek's personal best shutout streak is 181 minutes, 17 seconds

[jax bill backer]

you put Gomez, Gionta, Nedier-wiener, Rafalski, with a trap game on Hasek's team he would have been truley unstopable. Some of those teams Hasek was on, were some of the worst.

[Buftex]

Hasek... obviously some bias on this board...but the Devils, who almost destroyed the NHL with their life sucking style of play, rarely left their goaltender exposed the way Hasek was the Sabres. No scientific proof, but I would drunkenly argument style say, Hasek on his own, stole about 10 victories a year for the Sabres. Broudouer is a fine goalie, but, IMO, wouldn't have near the record he has, playing on teams like Hasek played during his days in Buffalo. I will give Marty the edge in consistency. For every 5 stellar games that Hasek had, he would absolutely crap the bed on the sixth... Marty has just always been solid, if not spectacular. I think a Roy vs Hasek argument has more merit....

[Ennjay]

. . . and I thought this was going to be Dom Capers vs. Marty Schottenheimer. Seriously.

[Dante]

I know Hasek was a ex Sabre but I think he was a ingrate dickhead. Never liked him. Would never give him any props of any kind. Brodeur every time.

[Beerball]

. . . and I thought this was going to be Dom Capers vs. Marty Schottenheimer. Seriously.

why would you think that? it's not like there's a place for hockey talk.

[RayFinkle]

I always thought Marty Biron was better than Dominic Hasek.

[DDD]

Hasek was unbelievable. Tremendous flexibility and anticipation. I never understood the circumstances of him leaving the blackhawks and winding up in buffalo. In any event, with regard to pure dominance, he's probably the best professional athlete Buffalo has ever had.

[Jerry Jabber]

It's too bad the Sabres cheap, embezzling owner didn't spend some money and get at least 2 to 3 quality players. With having the world's best goaltender, we should have won multiple Stanley Cups with him. Instead, Sabres ownership & management expected Hasek to carry a team of sub-par, mediocre players to the Stanley Cup.

[ieatcrayonz]

I know Hasek was a ex Sabre but I think he was a ingrate dickhead. Never liked him. Would never give him any props of any kind. Brodeur every time.

You'd be an ingrate too if your kid popped out looking exactly like your coach.

[billsfan89]

Ok the Chief argument for Dom over Marty is that Dom never played on a great team but yet he was a great goalie despite that. Now Marty was just a great guy on a great team. Now before the 2004-2005 lockout that would have been correct and I would have agreed with that argument.

 

HOWEVER I have watched the Devils and Marty almost every game post lock out (2005-2006 to present) and he has played great even in front of a mediocre team. The post lock out era has been geared for offense they even made a rule to hurt Marty's game the trapazoid in addition they are strictly enforcing clutching and grabbing rules and have made the offensive zones bigger.

 

The Devils in 2005-2006 lost Hall of Fame D-men in Scott Stevens and Scott Niedermayer and Marty was still great even without the talent and a more offensive game. Oh yeah he won a Vezna that year.

 

Now it gets better for Marty the next year (2006-2007) he lost all-star defensemen Brian Rafalski and top offensive guys like Brian Gionta, Patrick Elias, and Jamie Langenbruner were all having down years (And Zack Parise wasn't the guy he is now). Despite less offense and a defense core that featured guys like Mike Mottau and young guys still learning in Johnny Odyua and Andy Greene. So despite all that Marty won another Vezna.

 

To this day Marty at age 37 is the best goalie in the league. Marty will continue to add to his own records and might even eclipse the 700 win mark (Which is more impressive considering he lost 1 and a third year to work stoppages). Odds are Marty will add 1-3 more Vezna trophies to his resume when all is said and done. He has 3 titles and could get another one by the end of his career.

 

The guy has proven he isn't the product of a system or the beneficiary of a defensive era. In the end he will go down as the greatest ever without a doubt. The dominator is the second greatest ever (Much greater then Roy) but what Marty has done in the last 3 plus years has proven he could be great without HOF talent around him or in the trap era.

[Chef Jim]

[KD in CA]

It's too bad the Sabres cheap, embezzling owner didn't spend some money and get at least 2 to 3 quality players. With having the world's best goaltender, we should have won multiple Stanley Cups with him. Instead, Sabres ownership & management expected Hasek to carry a team of sub-par, mediocre players to the Stanley Cup.

 

And he came damn close....

[jester43]

that goal he let in to lose the pens series the next year was a lot worse.

[Tcali]

Hasek was unbelievable. Tremendous flexibility and anticipation. I never understood the circumstances of him leaving the blackhawks and winding up in buffalo. In any event, with regard to pure dominance, he's probably the best professional athlete Buffalo has ever had.

1.HASEK/OJ

2.BRUCE

3.GIL

[Tcali]

Ok the Chief argument for Dom over Marty is that Dom never played on a great team but yet he was a great goalie despite that. Now Marty was just a great guy on a great team. Now before the 2004-2005 lockout that would have been correct and I would have agreed with that argument.

 

HOWEVER I have watched the Devils and Marty almost every game post lock out (2005-2006 to present) and he has played great even in front of a mediocre team. The post lock out era has been geared for offense they even made a rule to hurt Marty's game the trapazoid in addition they are strictly enforcing clutching and grabbing rules and have made the offensive zones bigger.

 

The Devils in 2005-2006 lost Hall of Fame D-men in Scott Stevens and Scott Niedermayer and Marty was still great even without the talent and a more offensive game. Oh yeah he won a Vezna that year.

 

Now it gets better for Marty the next year (2006-2007) he lost all-star defensemen Brian Rafalski and top offensive guys like Brian Gionta, Patrick Elias, and Jamie Langenbruner were all having down years (And Zack Parise wasn't the guy he is now). Despite less offense and a defense core that featured guys like Mike Mottau and young guys still learning in Johnny Odyua and Andy Greene. So despite all that Marty won another Vezna.

 

To this day Marty at age 37 is the best goalie in the league. Marty will continue to add to his own records and might even eclipse the 700 win mark (Which is more impressive considering he lost 1 and a third year to work stoppages). Odds are Marty will add 1-3 more Vezna trophies to his resume when all is said and done. He has 3 titles and could get another one by the end of his career.

 

The guy has proven he isn't the product of a system or the beneficiary of a defensive era. In the end he will go down as the greatest ever without a doubt. The dominator is the second greatest ever (Much greater then Roy) but what Marty has done in the last 3 plus years has proven he could be great without HOF talent around him or in the trap era.

thats all nice--but DOM is the better goalie.

[BillsZubaz]

Marty is a GREAT goalie.

 

However, anyone that would argue he is better than Hasek just plain doesn't know hockey.

 

-for all of the awards, stats and accomplishments given in the above posts-

[Beerball]

thats all nice--but DOM is the better goalie.

I thought this was about AiO?

[Tcali]

I thought this was about AiO?

Associazione Italiana Odontoiatri?

[Dante]

You'd be an ingrate too if your kid popped out looking exactly like your coach.

? Sounds like a controversy. Some gossip/smut perhaps? What do you know?

[Chef Jim]

? Sounds like a controversy. Some gossip/smut perhaps? What do you know?

 

What, you hadn't heard about that?

[banjo moe]

. . . and I thought this was going to be Dom Capers vs. Marty Schottenheimer. Seriously.

 

Here I was thinking we're comparing the acting skills of Dom Deluise and Marty Feldman in the Mel Brooks classic Silent Movie.

[Dante]

What, you hadn't heard about that?

No not at all. Whats the deal? Sounds juicy. Was Lindy called for "spearing" the Dom's wife or something? Sorry for lame humor. Couldn't resist.

[jax bill backer]

Has marty won a gold medal? I know DOM has one

[ieatcrayonz]

No not at all. Whats the deal? Sounds juicy. Was Lindy called for "spearing" the Dom's wife or something? Sorry for lame humor. Couldn't resist.

Ted Nolan; not Lindy

[Welcome To Pegulavilla]

Dom and Roy IMO are two of the best goalies of all time but my personal favorite will always be Tom Barrasso. To this day I am still pissed off that we traded him away to the Pens. Tommy B's accomplishments speak for themselves- first goalie to jump directly from high school to the NHL, Won Calder Trophy and Vezina Trophy as an 18 year old rookie, won B2B Stanley Cups in 91 and 92, most consecutive Stanley Cup victories with 14 including 11 to finish the post season, All time leader among goalies with 48 points all assists, 3.24 GAA, 38 SO, first U.S. born goalie to win 300 games, 369 victories rank second all-time among American-born goalies, and is one of the top 5 all time US born players. Tommy B was one hell of a goalie.

[billsfan89]

Has marty won a gold medal? I know DOM has one

 

Yeah he won one with team Canada in 2002. He also had the world cup of hockey championship in 2004. The guy has it all in terms of championships both in the NHL and in international competition.

[billsfan89]

Marty is a GREAT goalie.

 

However, anyone that would argue he is better than Hasek just plain doesn't know hockey.

 

-for all of the awards, stats and accomplishments given in the above posts-

 

Marty is the all time wins leader and is going to be the all time shutouts record holder (1 away from tying 2 away from breaking the shutouts record). When all is said and done with few exceptions Marty will have all the major goal tending records.

 

So why is Dom better?

[Wilson from Gamehendge]

Hasek... obviously some bias on this board...but the Devils, who almost destroyed the NHL with their life sucking style of play, rarely left their goaltender exposed the way Hasek was the Sabres. No scientific proof, but I would drunkenly argument style say, Hasek on his own, stole about 10 victories a year for the Sabres. Broudouer is a fine goalie, but, IMO, wouldn't have near the record he has, playing on teams like Hasek played during his days in Buffalo. I will give Marty the edge in consistency. For every 5 stellar games that Hasek had, he would absolutely crap the bed on the sixth... Marty has just always been solid, if not spectacular. I think a Roy vs Hasek argument has more merit....

 

Say it while sober and say it with pride my friend...he easily stole a dozen games a year with his acrobats.

[Wilson from Gamehendge]

Oh...and...Marty still is not even 2nd in my book.

 

 

Patrick Roy files in behind Dom.

[jax bill backer]

I actually think if you ask anybody who likes hockey they will tell you that Hasek was the best. Could you imagine the mind blowing stats he would of had if he came into the leauge at 20..NOT 29. I don't know enough a about Roy to put him infront of marty though

[billsfan89]

I actually think if you ask anybody who likes hockey they will tell you that Hasek was the best. Could you imagine the mind blowing stats he would of had if he came into the leauge at 20..NOT 29. I don't know enough a about Roy to put him infront of marty though

 

Hasek came into the league at 25 not 29. Even if Hasek came into the league in his early 20's like most he would have he wouldn't have finished with better stats then Marty (Who did loose a whole year and two thirds of his prime to work stoppages)

 

Hasek by his mid 30's in his final year with Buffalo and his years with Detroit wasn't the same dominating guy. While Marty at age 37 is the best in the game. So yeah Hasek would have finished with 550 plus wins but odds are Marty would have surpassed him (No way he would have finished with much more then 600 wins) even if Marty would have had to have surpassed it later in his career.

 

If you asked a lot of hockey experts in 2005 who was the best they would say Hasek. BUT now Marty has shown he isn't the product of an era or a system. Most hockey experts look at what Marty has done post lockout and see that he is the best. And why is Hasek a guy who played in the most defensive era of modern hockey the greatest goalie ever?

[HurlyBurly51]

Dom and Roy IMO are two of the best goalies of all time but my personal favorite will always be Tom Barrasso. To this day I am still pissed off that we traded him away to the Pens. Tommy B's accomplishments speak for themselves- first goalie to jump directly from high school to the NHL, Won Calder Trophy and Vezina Trophy as an 18 year old rookie, won B2B Stanley Cups in 91 and 92, most consecutive Stanley Cup victories with 14 including 11 to finish the post season, All time leader among goalies with 48 points all assists, 3.24 GAA, 38 SO, first U.S. born goalie to win 300 games, 369 victories rank second all-time among American-born goalies, and is one of the top 5 all time US born players. Tommy B was one hell of a goalie.

 

Buffalo is a drinking town with a hockey problem, and that was Tommy B's problem too. Best career move was getting out of town.

[jax bill backer]

Hasek came into the league at 25 not 29. Even if Hasek came into the league in his early 20's like most he would have he wouldn't have finished with better stats then Marty (Who did loose a whole year and two thirds of his prime to work stoppages)

 

Hasek by his mid 30's in his final year with Buffalo and his years with Detroit wasn't the same dominating guy. While Marty at age 37 is the best in the game. So yeah Hasek would have finished with 550 plus wins but odds are Marty would have surpassed him (No way he would have finished with much more then 600 wins) even if Marty would have had to have surpassed it later in his career.

 

If you asked a lot of hockey experts in 2005 who was the best they would say Hasek. BUT now Marty has shown he isn't the product of an era or a system. Most hockey experts look at what Marty has done post lockout and see that he is the best. And why is Hasek a guy who played in the most defensive era of modern hockey the greatest goalie ever?

 

Dom had a work stoppage to bro

[billsfan89]

Dom had a work stoppage to bro

 

Not in the prime of his career I mean Marty was getting 35-40 win seasons year after year right before that 2004-2005 work stoppage. That work stoppage alone cost him 35-40 wins (Hasek was 39/40 at the time while Marty was 32/33). Brodeur and Hasek both lost time in the 94-95 work stoppage when both were fully entrenched starters so that one is a wash. But the 04/05 lockout really hurt Brodeur more then Hasek.

 

Marty is just better get over it. The numbers point to it and now post-lockout the circumstances in which Marty excelled point to it as well. Marty didn't need a great team to succeed he just had a great team masked how great he was. And now that he has had a chance to play in an offensive era on a mediocre defensive team Marty has proven that he would have succeeded no matter what.

[jax bill backer]

Marty is not better than Hasek case closed.

[Tcali]

Buffalo is a drinking town with a hockey problem, and that was Tommy B's problem too. Best career move was getting out of town.

hehe..true

[Taro T]

Not in the prime of his career I mean Marty was getting 35-40 win seasons year after year right before that 2004-2005 work stoppage. That work stoppage alone cost him 35-40 wins (Hasek was 39/40 at the time while Marty was 32/33). Brodeur and Hasek both lost time in the 94-95 work stoppage when both were fully entrenched starters so that one is a wash. But the 04/05 lockout really hurt Brodeur more then Hasek.

 

Marty is just better get over it. The numbers point to it and now post-lockout the circumstances in which Marty excelled point to it as well. Marty didn't need a great team to succeed he just had a great team masked how great he was. And now that he has had a chance to play in an offensive era on a mediocre defensive team Marty has proven that he would have succeeded no matter what.

Yeah, because Clemmonsen didn't have better numbers than Brodeur did last year. Clearly, it was Marty's play that pulled the Devils through, and not the other way around. And Clemmonsen is having a heck of a year for the Cats this year (not). Again, it is clearly Brodeur that pulled the Devs along, and there has been no reciprocation due to playing the most boring game in the NHL (apologies to Lemaire's Wild (hmm, where else might Lemaire have coached?)).

 

Heck, Yann Danis technically has better numbers than Brodeur does this year.

 

Brodeur is a very good goalie, but you'd have a FAR superior argument if you were trying (incorrectly) to claim that Roy was a better goalie than Hasek.

[billsfan89]

Yeah, because Clemmonsen didn't have better numbers than Brodeur did last year. Clearly, it was Marty's play that pulled the Devils through, and not the other way around. And Clemmonsen is having a heck of a year for the Cats this year (not). Again, it is clearly Brodeur that pulled the Devs along, and there has been no reciprocation due to playing the most boring game in the NHL (apologies to Lemaire's Wild (hmm, where else might Lemaire have coached?)).

 

Heck, Yann Danis technically has better numbers than Brodeur does this year.

 

Brodeur is a very good goalie, but you'd have a FAR superior argument if you were trying (incorrectly) to claim that Roy was a better goalie than Hasek.

 

My Chief argument is that the 2005-2006, 2006-2007, and 2007-2008 Devils were not good defensive teams (Average in 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 while bad in 2007-2008). They had a lot of young guys learning the game (Andy Greene and Johnny Odyua as well as a older inexperienced guy in Mike Mottau) and before the 2007-2008 season Marty lost more talent in front of him when Rafalski left.

 

YET Lou knew that Marty could carry these guys while they learned (Believe me Mottau and Odyua weren't very good until 2008-2009 and Green wasn't very good until this season in fact they were horrible at times) and he did he carried them while winning two Vezna trophies.

 

Yeah the Devils helped Brodeur but watch those first few years after the lockout (Especially 2007-2008 when Rafalski wasn't there and the offense without Gomez and other players struggling was pretty pedestrian) Brodeur helped carry the Devils a lot post lockout. Brodeur is the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be, and the excellence of execution.

 

Brodeur is better then Roy unquestionably (I mean Hasek you have a case for I just think what he has done recently negates that case). Think about this in 2006-2007 (Post lockout no Stevens, Niedermayer, and in an unquestionably more offensive era) he posted a 2.18 GAA and in 2007-2008 (No Rafalski this time around) he posted a 2.17 GAA both those GAA's would have been 2nd best in Roy's career (Pre-lock out and on some dam good Colorado and Canadians in the trap era).

 

A quick question about Hasek did he play with big pads? Post lockout they cut down on how big the size of pads could be. Marty's pads now and pre-lockout were smaller then even the new regulations.