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Funny. I thought the photo screamed "short arms." 🙃 I saw elsewhere that he ran a 4.50 40 at his Pro Day but a 1.46 10 yard split which is elite. He's the 91st man on the roster and it's May 19th. Does that clear things up? Actually he had one good game. In week 16 of the 2021 season he caught 4 passes for 42 yards and 2 TDs playing for New England against Jacksonville. I thought it was a "shot across the bow." I don't know how old you are but I'm definitely calling him a young man. Now he's not Tremaine Edmunds young but who is?

Don’t worry Edmunds will win DROY one of these years.

Warner has HoF instincts. Warner’s brain in Edmund’s body may have been the greatest ILB in NFL history.

Is Edmunds still in the league? Seriously, I watched him a bunch in 2023. But not much in 2024. Anyone know how he played last year? Was he injured ? The Bears D was pretty ***** last year. Edmunds is just a low ceiling NFL LB. Glad we let him go.

Yep traded up for Allen and then Edmunds was the first of Beane's long string of, so far, failed Day 1 and 2 trade-ups.

Moved up to draft Edmunds over him. Warner and Milano next to each other... What could have been...

Honorable Mention: Tremaine Edmunds.

No respect for Tremaine Edmunds.

I think Beane is very good at picking off player rds 4-6 where your bar for success is getting a player that contributes consistently with the odd excellent player... where he is not good is rounds 1-3 where your bar for success is a consistent starter and a high quality contributor with a good amount of game changers... where you get you difference makers... So just a quick grouping for Beane's 1-3 I am sure there will be some disagreement in where people are placed... there is no science here.. but from my perspective he drafted 4 game changers and 4 really solid core pieces... then lots of misses and serviceable players that really underwhelm for where they were picked... and then lots of underwhelming but there is hope I hope... players. But last years draft produced no real help at all in rds 1-3... you dont want to do that too many drafts... anyways just my opinion. Stars - Allen, Dawkins, Cook, White Hits - Rousseau, Spencer Brown, , Bernard, Torrence Misses Zay Jones, Cody Ford , Epenesa, Zak Moss. Basham, Elam Not a total miss but underwhelming for the pick - Singletary, Knox, Oliver, Edmunds, Phillips, Underwhelming/Developing - Coleman, Bishop, Carter (like this just cannot happen all 3 and no one really makes a difference...in 1 draft) Kincaid, Williams

No, but that makes it sting more. There are a lot of ways to get superstar talent. Honestly, Beane has a pretty good philosophy. He LOVES high-ceiling guys in round one. Guys like Ed, Josh, Edmunds, Groot, even Elam, had All-Pro potential physically if they could reach it. It’s just that outside of Josh, none of them have. I think TBD would be very boring if one of those guys had hit their peaks, because we’d have one Super Bowl and there would be very little to complain about.

Always find it comical, half this board has the patience of my 7 yr old. Coleman wasn't even drinking age when we drafted him LY...cue the Edmunds jokes. People need to learn patience and very few on here see the traits as to why Beane drafted him, and can project those. Now will Coleman hit that ceiling, up to him. But he has put on more muscle, looks quicker this offseason. Based on how we use him (Adot 15.2), we needed him improve his strenghth at route breaks and mainly downfield at the catch point. He's a freak athlete, I could careless about his forty. He gets stronger at the catch point, that won't matter. He's also one of the WRs Josh coveted out of last years class. Point being, player progression year 1 to year 2 is a big deal. James Cook, Terrel Bernard, Shakir, Spencer Brown...list goes on. This team has a knack for getting year 2 jumps, Kincaid aside. Give this kid a chance before you write him off - he showed glimpses last year, has been working his tail off this offseason.

Don't forget that Tremaine Edmunds is finally old enough to vote.

"Basham never got there. Elam never got there."? For every Elam and Basham, there's been a Josh Allen, Tre White, Christian Benford, Taron Johnson, Matt Milano, Greg Rousseau, Tremaine Edmunds, Dion Dawkins, Ed Oliver, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, Spencer Brown, Terrel Bernard, or O'Cyrus Torrence who have stepped into a starting role in Year 1 or Year 2 (like Bishop) and been solid to much more than that. That's not to say that our Year 1 or Year 2 players will all definitively be stars right out of the gate. But to point to just guys like Basham and Elam (I'll give you Ford too) and ignore all the successes is really looking at the glass (less than) half empty. Again, I go back to my original point. We're bringing back everyone on the roster from last year's Defense - except for Rasul Douglas, Von Miller, Dawuane Smoot, Kaiir Elam, Austin Johnson, Quintin Jefferson, and Jordan Phillips. Those guys were so bad that two weeks after the Draft, every single one of them (save for Elam who was traded for peanuts) is currently not on an NFL Roster. Do you really think that Joey Bosa, Maxwell Hairston, Tre White, T.J. Sanders, Michael Hoecht, Landon Jackson, Larry Ogunjobi, and Deone Walker aren't going to be able to fill the shoes of that murderer's row list above? They'd have to work hard at being bad to not be an upgrade over those guys. Given where we were at Cap wise and where we were picking in the Draft, I think Beane has done a masterful job of rebuilding this Defense.

This is actually an extension of a conversation from the "Beane elaborates on the process of picking Josh Allen" topic. But, I thought that I would start a new thread, so more people would weigh in (and because this will be a long post). So, in the other topic, I mentioned that some posters will point out that Philly has drafted more impact players than the Bills. And I pointed out that that isn't surprising, considering most of those impact players came in the last four years when Philly picked significantly higher than the Bills in the draft. For reference again, here are the 1st and 2nd round picks the Eagles and the Bills have had in the first two rounds over the last 4 years. They had 4 picks higher than our best pick, so not surprising that Roseman has picked more impact players over that span, imo. Philly picks: 9, 10, 13, 21, 30, 37, 51, 53 Bills picks: 23, 25, 30, 54, 59, 61. 63 I then linked an old post where I compared Beane's last 4-5 drafts with K.C.'s and Tampa Bay's drafts. Why K.C. and Tampa? Because those are the only two other teams to make the playoffs in each of the last 5 seasons (along with Buffalo). So, K.C. and Tampa are the only teams who have picked relatively close to where the Bills have picked over that same span (to have a fair comparison for Beane's drafts). Roscoe responded as follows: Well, I went through all of the drafts going back to 2017 (posted below). I can answer the average draft position question, but I'd love for people to weigh in on Roscoe's second question. Have all three teams found more impact players than the Bills in that span (and by how much)? Sometimes I think we as fans look at the Bills in a vaacum. We'll point out all of Beane's bad picks and knock him for it, but not actually compare it to the full body of work of other GMs. We just point out other GMs good picks and put them on a pedestal. We don't seem to knock other GMs (as much) for their bad picks or bad draft years. But, I'll leave it up to you guys. As Roscoe asked, here are the last 8 drafts for four of the more successful teams in the league over that span (the draft pick/number is in parentheses---and forgive me for any misspellings of player's names): San Francisco: 2017: (3) Solomon Thomas DE, (31) Reuben Foster LB, (66) Ahkello Witherspoon CB, (104) C.J. Beathard DB, (121) Joe Williams RB, (146) George Kittle TE, (177) Trent Taylor WR, (198) D.J. Jones DT, (202) Pita Taumoepuna CB, (229) Adrien Culbert DB. 2018: (9) Mike McGlinchey T, (44) Dante Pettis WR, (70) Fred Warner LB, (95) Tarvarius Moore S, (128) Kentavius Street DT, (142) D.J. Reed CB, (184) Marcell Harris S, (240), Richie James WR, (223) Julian Taylor DT. 2019: (2) Nick Bosa DE, (36) Deebo Samuel WR, (67) Jalen Hurd WR, (110) Mitch Wishnowsky P, (148 Dre Greenlaw LB, (176) Kaden Smith TE, (183) Justin Skule T, (198) Tim Harris CB. 2020: (14) Javon Kinlaw DT, (25) Brandon Aiyuk WR, (153) Colton McKivitz T, (190) Charlie Woerner TE, (217) Juan Jennings WR. 2021: (3) Trey Lance QB, (48) Aaron Banks OL, (88) Trey Sermon RB, (102) Ambry Thomas DB, (155) Jaylon Moore T, (172) Deommodore Lenoir CB, (180) Talanoa Hufanga S, (194) Elijah Mitchell RB. 2022: (61) Drake Jackson LB, (93) Tyrion Davis-Prince RB, (105) Danny Gray WR, (134) Spencer Burford OL, (172) Samuel Womack CB, (189) Nick Zaken OL, (220) Kalia Davis DT, (221) Tariq Castro-Fields CB, (262) Brock Purdy QB. 2023: (87) Ji'Ayir Brown S, (99) Jake Moody K, (101) Cameron Latu TE, (155) Darrell Luter CB, Robert Beal LB, Dee Winters LB, (247) Brayden Willis TE, (253) Ronnie Bell WR, (255) Jalen Graham S. 2024: (31) Ricky Pearsall WR, (64) Renardo Green DB, (86) Dominick Puni OL, (124) Malik Mustapha DB, (129) Isaac Guerendo RB, (135) Jacob Cowing WR, (215) Jarrett Kingston OL, (251) Tatum Bethune LB. Philadelphia: 2017: (14) Derek Barnett DE, (43) Sydney Jones CB, (99) Rasul Douglas CB, (118) Mack Hollins WR, (132) Donnel Pumphrey RB, (166) Shelton Gibson WR, (184) Nathan Gerry S, (214) Elijah Quails DT. 2018: (49) Dallas Goedert TE, (125) Avonte Maddox CB, (130) Josh Sweat DE, (206) Matt Pryor T, (233) Jordan Mailata T. 2019: (22) Andre Dillard T, (53) Miles Sanders RB, (57) J.J. Arcega-Whiteside WR, (138) Shareef Miller DE, (167) Clayton Thorson QB. 2020: (21) Jalen Reagor WR, (53) Jalen Hurts QB, (103) Davion Taylor LB, (127) K'Von Wallace S, (145) Jack Driscoll G, (168) John Hightower WR, (196) Shaun Bradley LB, (200) Quez Watkins WR, (210) Prince Tega Wanojho T, (233) Casey Tolhill DE. 2021: (10) Devonta Smith WR, (37) Landon Dickerson OL, (73) Milton Williams DL, (123) Zech McPherson DB, (150) Kenneth Gainwell RB, (187) Marlon Tuipulota DL, (191) Tarron Jackson DE, (224) Jacoby Stevens S, (234) Patrick Johnson DE. 2022: (13) Jordan Davis DT, (51) Cam Jurgens OL, (83) Nakobe Dean LB, (181) Kyron Johnson DE, (198) Grant Calcaterra TE. 2023: (9) Jalen Carter, (30) Nolan Smith LB, (65) Tyler Steen OL, Sydney Brown DB, (105) Kelee Ringo DB, (168) Tanner McKee QB, (249) Moro Ojomo DE. 2024: (22) Quinyon Mitchell CB, (40) Cooper Dejean DB, (94) Jalyx Hunt DE, (127) Will Shipley RB, (152) Ainias Smith WR, (155) Jeremiah Trotter, Jr. CB, (185) Johnny Wilson WR, (190) Dylan McMahon OL. Kansas City: 2017: (10) Patrick Mahomes QB, (59) Tanoh Kpassagnon DE, (86) Kareem Hunt RB, (139) Jehu Clesson WR, (183) Ukeme Eligwe LB, (218) Leon McQuay RB. 2018: (46)Breeland Speaks DE, (75) Derrick Nnadi DT, (100) Dorian O'Daniel LB, (124) Armani Watts S, (196) Tremon Smith WR, (198) Khailil McKenzie DT. 2019: (56) Mecole Hardman, (63) Juan Thornhill S, (84) Halen Saunders DT, (201) Rashad Fenton CB, (214) Darwin Thompson RB, (216) Nick Allegretti OL. 2020: (32) Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB, (63) Willie Gay, Jr. LB, (96) Lucas Niang T, (138) L'Jarius Snead S, (177) Michael Danna DE, (237) Thakarius Keyes CB. 2021: (58) Nick Bolton LB, (6) Creed Humphrey OL, (144) Joshua Keindoh DE, (102) Noah Gray TE, (181) Cornell Powell WR, (226) Trey Smith OL. 2022: (21) Trent McDuffie CB, (30) George Karlaftis III DE, (54) Skyy Moore WR, (62) Bryan Cook S, (103) Leo Chenal LB, (135) Joshua Williams CB, (145) Darian Kinnard T, (243) Jaylen Watson DB, (251) Isiah Pacheco RB, (259) Nazah Johnson S. 2023: (31) Felix Anudike-Uzomah DE, (55) Rashee Rice WR, (92) Wanya Morris OL, (119) Chamarri Conner DB, (166) BJ Thompson DE, (194) Keondre Coburn DT, (250) Nic Jones CB. 2024: (28) Xavier Worthy WR, (63) Kingsley Suamataia OL, (131) Jared Wiley TE, (133) Jaden Hicks DB, (211) Kamal Hadden DB, (248) C.J. Hanson OL. Buffalo: 2017: (27) Tre White CB, (37) Zay Jones WR, (63) Dion Dawkins OL, (163) Matt Milano LB, (171) Nathan Peterman QB, (195) Tanner Vallejo LB. 2018: (7) Josh Allen QB, (16) Tremaine Edmunds LB, (96) Harrison Phillips DT, (121) Taron Johnson CB, (154) Siran Neal DB, (166) Wyatt Teller OL, (187) Ray Ray McCloud WR, (258) Austin Proehl WR. 2019: (9) Ed Oliver DT, (38) Cody Ford OL, (74) Devin Singletary RB, (96) Dwson Knox TE, (147) Vosean Joseph LB, (181) Jaquan Johnson CB, (225) Darryl Johnson DE, (228) Tommy Sweeney TE. 2020: (54) A.J. Epenesa DE, (86) Zack Moss RB, (128) Gabe Davis WR, (167) Jake Fromm QB, (188) Tyler Bass K, (207) Isaiah Hodgins WR, (239) Dane Jackson CB. 2021: (30) Greg Rousseau, (61) Boogie Basham DE, (93) Spencer Brown OL, (161) Tommy Doyle OL, (203) Marquez-Stevenson WR, (212) Damar Hamlin S, (213) Rachad Wildgoose CB, (236) Jack Anderson OL. 2022: (23) Kaiir Elam CB, (63) James Cook RB, (89) Terrell Bernard LB, (48) Khalil Shakir WR, (180) Matt Araiza P, (185) Christian Benford CB, (209) Luke Tenuta OL, (231) Baylon Spector LB. 2023: (25) Dalton Kincaid, (59) O'Cyrus Torrence OL, (91) Dorian Williams LB, (150) Justin Shorter WR, (230) Nick Broeker OL, (252) Alex Austin DB. 2024: (33) Keon Coleman WR, (60) Cole Bishop S, (95) DeWayne Carter DT, (128) Ray Davis RB, (141) Sedrick Van Pran-Granger OL, (160) Edefuan Ulofoshio LB, (168) Javon Solomon De, (204) Tylan Grable OL, (219) DaeQuan Hardy CB, (221) Travis Clayton OL. 2016-2024 Team Record Number of Picks Avg. Draft Number Playoff Appearances Conf Champ Appearances SB Appearances SB Wins San Francisco 72-76 66 133.6 4 4 2 0 Philadelphia 90-57 57 121.9 7 3 3 2 Kansas City 112-36 54 126.9 8 7 5 3 Buffalo* 93-54 61 134.3 7 2 0 0 *Obviously McBeane were not here in 2016, when the Bills went 7-9, which is included in the overall record above. But I kept that in because it affected our 2017 draft position. So, over McBeane's tenure, Philly (and KC) have still picked higher than both Buffalo and San Fran on average (obviously, some of that were trades, etc. as Philly had a similar overall record to the Bills and KC had a better record). But, the biggest thing that jumps out to me from that table is Kansas City's record---112 wins, 7 Conference Championship games. People like to knock the Bills for not making the Super Bowl yet, and praise Philadelphia. But, hasn't the Eagles (and Niners) path to the Super Bowl from the NFC been quite a bit easier than Buffalo's, without Kansas City being in their way? I mean Roscoe named San Fran as the other biggest NFC contender over that span and despite two Super Bowl appearances, they don't even have an above .500 record over that stretch. But, let me know what you guys think in regards to drafting impact players, or comparing Beane's drafts overall to the other three teams (if you actually took the time to read this very long post. 😬🙂). Obviously, each GM has their misses (even in the first two rounds). Interesting to note, all four teams got a franchise QB over that stretch. And I honestly think (may be my Bills bias), you could argue that Buffalo was either first or second in at least three of those eight drafts (despite a couple of clunker years from Beane---but the other GMs had some clunkers too). Go Bills!

That bit about the Bills and Eagles evening out the further you go back is only if you go back specifically to 2018. The reason Beane had high picks in 2018 had a lot to do with McDermott trading way back in 2017 to get higher to be able to pick a QB in 2018. So in 2017 the Eagles picked 14th while the Bills picked 27th. And you can't expect Ford to be All-Pro, he was a 2nd rounder. All-Pro would have been a very significant over-performance. Edmunds at 16 got two Pro Bowls, that's meeting expectations. Oliver has been a bit below expectations, but everyone has some of those. The Chiefs did indeed trade up for Mahomes, from 27th to 10th. And the Bills traded up for Allen. Traded up almost as far, from 21st to 7th in two steps. So if you want to give the Chiefs credit for savvy you have to do the same for the Bills.

Getting to 7 was not that easy. It took two separate trades, giving up 4 picks and a player to do so. And as others have said, no one in the top 6 was willing to budge. I'm sure they offered quite a bit to the Giants to try and get up to #2. But were denied. But you somehow fault Beane (or call him lucky) for not giving up more assets to get higher? You have no idea what they offered to move up. Plus, the only luck was Cleveland not taking Josh at one. And if they had, that wouldn't have been on Beane, you are not getting a QB-hungry team out of the first spot in what was considered an all-time QB draft (at the time). Everyone knew the Jets were in on Darnold and no one in the top 6 besides Cleveland wanted a QB. Maybe Denver debated about it, but ultimately they went with Chubb (obviously were not totally sold on Josh). Elway was going to trade the pick to Buffalo if Chubb wasn't there, so they were NOT picking Josh. How about you? You knock Beane for not being more aggressive to get Josh. [Still got him btw.] Was he your first pick QB in that draft? And if I remember correctly (and I think I do), there was an image that came out after the draft at some point that showed Josh was actually at the top of their board of the QBs. You can deny it, but everything points to the Bills wanted Allen most of all of the QBs that year (unlike most Bills fans at the time). As to a TON of VERY disappointing 1st and 2nd round picks, well, let's take a look: 1st round: Josh Allen, Ed Oliver, Tremaine Edmunds, Greg Rousseau, Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid 2nd round: Cody Ford, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham, James Cook, O'Cyrus Torrence, Cole Bishop, Keon Coleman 13 picks total. I see 3 Busts (Ford, Elam, Boogie). I wouldn't be surprised if you looked at other teams last 13 1st and 2nd round picks, you would probably find at least 3 busts as well--or more (and many of those teams were drafting higher than us). So, 3 busts, 2 studs (Josh and Jimbo), 3 players close to stud-level (Rousseau, Oliver, Torrence), 2 players that it's still too early to tell (Coleman and Bishop), and 3 players that are solid players, but didn't quite reach their draft status (Edmunds, Epenesa, Kincaid---though I still think Kincaid will). It's not a homerun by any means (outside of Josh and Jimbo), but it's also not as bad as you make it out to be. Plus, with the three busts, Beane at least turned them into a 5th and two 6ths (got something for nothing at least). Those picks turned into Justin Shorter, Jordan Hancock, and Dorian Strong. Shorter was not a great pick, but if Hancock and Strong do well, at least we didn't come away with nothing. Oh and btw, no matter how bad we think he is, Ford is still a starting offensive lineman in the league (so a bust for us, but not a total washout in the league). And not that it says much, but Kaiir and Boogie are still in the league too (probably won't be starters though, obviously---or have a long career it appears). Again, you must have context to things. For instance, people bring up Howie Roseman and the Eagles as an example of picking impact players (in contrast to Beane). But, they always fail to note that over the last 4 years the Eagles have picked significantly higher than we have. Here are the 1st and 2nd round picks the Eagles (8 picks) and the Bills (7 picks) have had in the first two rounds over the last 4 years. Philly picks: 9, 10, 13, 21, 30, 37, 51, 53 Bills picks: 23, 25, 30, 54, 59, 61. 63 Don't you think that maybe if the roles were reversed (pick-wise) Brandon would have some more impact players on the team? They had 4 picks higher than our best pick. If you averaged all of the picks together, that equates to Philly picking 28th and the Bills picking 45th. Doesn't everyone color their stories to accentuate the positives. It is a fairly human trait imo. And it's also a business that is trying to make money. Of course they are going to try and put a good face on everything. Every team does it. Every company does it. Plus, it seems a bit condescending to tell all of us that we just aren't prescient enough to see through all of Beane's lies, scams, and political speak. Beane has actually been one of the most open and honest GMs or coaches I have seen in the league in a while. Sure, there are some things he needs to keep close to the vest for competitive reasons, etc. But this idea that Beane is trying to get over on the fans, and plans and creates elaborate stunts to do so is bull imo. He has often admitted mistakes (such as letting Wyatt Teller go). Even in his press conference after this year's draft he talked about missing at CB (Elam) and mentioned picking Boogie. He is not some ego-maniac who can't admit his mistakes or is always lying to make himself look better.

Maybe the data will make the point more clear... Arch Manning has played in a grand total of 12 NCAA games. He's started 2 of those games. One week ago he turned 21 years old (so he's only one year older than Tremaine Edmunds).

Beane tried to move up more, but nobody would budge. Cleveland, with the #1 overall, was dead certain about QB Baker Mayfield. They passed on Allen 2x as they drafted Denzel Ward at #4. The entire Buffalo fan base was urging Beane to trade up to the NY Giants spot at #2 for Josh Rosen, even if he had to give up the farm to do it. The NY Giants, however, stated NOPE, they wanted an RB named Barkley. The NY Jets did a Jetsy thing and drafted QB Sam Darnold. The Bills did have a deal with Denver at #5 unless the guy they wanted was there, and he was... DE Bradley Chubb. The Colts were next and dead set on an OG named Quinton Nelson. (Denver GM John Elway has stated that missing on Allen was his worst mistake as a GM.) Finally, at #7, Buffalo made a trade with Tampa Bay, and they didn't need to give up that other extra #1 pick, whom they drafted Tremaine Edmunds at #16 (which was also a trade with Baltimore) Clearly, nobody else saw what Brandon Beane saw in a super smart kid who would do anything to play in the NFL. A kid who grew up on a farm and was no stranger to hard work. A kid who emailed 2000 schools to attempt to get a scholarship, and he ended up going to a junior college because nobody wanted him. At that time, 6'3'' 198 pounds with a rocket for an arm. Eventually, he found two schools to take him, and the one rescinded their offer when they found out that Wyoming offered him a scholarship. Allen showed that he had improved his throwing and accuracy at the Senior Bowl and talked about how jacked his footwork was in College at the Combine. He knew what he needed to do to improve, and he did just that! Still learning and improving!

Yes, he plays only 50% of snaps. But that's what we do with him here. Other teams may see a bigger role for him. And they may look at it is a net positive more than a negative because not only will he be 26 at the point of signing, he will have less wear and tear than most 26 year old Running Backs. Bills fans like to focus only on the negatives on the scouting report, usage in our system and pass blocking abilities (or lack thereof) to argue he should make less than market value. While ignoring the positives like age, wear and tear, stats, big plays at big times, speed, elusiveness, etc. For every RB (or any player for that matter), you can find negative things. They still get paid. Guys like McCaffrey and Barkley have had multiple serious injuries and are older than Cook. Kamara is at 12.5 and while he does stay on the field more, he is 29 and has had injuries. He also wasn't a great pass blocker in the beginning and grew into becoming better at it. 10m is the number 30 year old Aaron Jones is paid. There's no way James Cook is paid the same as Aaron Jones at 30 years old. 10-12m might be *your* max for what you'd be willing to pay him for his role in Buffalo. But I guarantee you, that's not what he'll be signing for. Whether that's here or elsewhere. Your absolute max price is about 500k to 1m less than what I'd expect the low number to be if he has another season like last year - based on recent contracts for the position and the continual rise in cap. Everyone? You mean this season? Bc I can think of a number of people who have left us for more money elsewhere over the years. Tremaine Edmunds, Gabe Davis, Harrison Phillips, Leonard Floyd, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson, even guys like Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson left when someone offered them slightly more money than what we'd pay. The RB position is a different situation too. Often times you've got one chance to really cash in. As once a RB hits 30, they're more often than not the same player.

Kincaid is looking a bit swole, I hope it doesn't restrict his movement skills. Not everyone can be a 6'4" 250 pound nimble athlete and worth every penny like Tremaine Edmunds. Let's draft a WR at 30.

Tack on even 1 void year (Philly has 4 on Barkley's new deal) and we're already down to $65M spread over 6 years, with cap hits around $5M-6M this year and next. Cook is not an Edmunds/Gabe Davis/Shaq Lawson. He is a very good/great player who happens to play a position thats market is in flux so folks have biases against the justifiable spend.

I remember when I feared losing Gabe Davis to free agency because the FO might try to prioritize re-signing Tremaine Edmunds. Fun times.

Seriously. Massive feather in Beane's cap not to pay big money to extend Davis or Edmunds.

Shows how good this organization is with personnel. They prop up guys like Edmunds and Davis and they go and get absurd money elsewhere.

I realize we picked up Edmunds 5 th year and we’ll likely do the same with Kincaid, unless someone more appealing enters the picture. ‘Tremain’ him.