BobChalmers

I guess he's too easy an answer. I like Chan, but he's 100% the wrong OC for Allen.

Murray is going to be a baseball player. The NFL team that drafts him is stupid (Raiders?) - most will shy away, the risk of a completely blown pick is just too high. That means even more teams will be desperate to move up and get Haskins - and yeah, I can believe they will trade up to 3 to get him.

Misleading thread title - I thought this was about Mike Mayock! (totally just kidding) As for the OP - I am absolutely NOT willing to pass judgement on the talent of the OL until I see them coached by someone other than Juan Castillo. Sure we could add 2-3 but wholesale replacing all 5 of them is just silly.

For as little as the Bengals are probably asking (article says 5th), GET IT DONE! Sounds like they'd take even less than that, which makes it a no-brainer in this WR market.

The reality is he didn't really expose himself to much when he was running. He was hurt when he was staying in the pocket. The way he runs - fast and aggressive - actually protects him, IMHO. It doesn't hurt that he's bigger and thicker than the guys trying to stop him. Also keep in mind he didn't run that often - what he did do is rip off big chunks of yardage when he did run. If you go back and look at his runs, there's a lot of smarts in how he chose to run vs. throw it away.

1. I'm going to go bold and say Tyler Murray could fall (assuming he goes). Scouts could look at him face-to-face standing next to all the other elite athletes and be put off by his lack of size. If his arm doesn't impress, OR if he wavers at all in his commitment to football over baseball, it could kill his stock. 2. By contrast, Haskins' only reported weaknesses are when he's pressured, which won't happen at the combine - he could shoot way up to a top overall pick QB. 3. Any WR who surprises positively with their 40-time will shoot up the board - there's a need for them. Scary b/c they might still be reaches - hopefully the Bills don't fall in love with the wrong guy track performance and forget the tape.

I was not the least bit confused by it.

Cards looking to stay up in the top of the draft board for 2020 apparently.

"Hate" is a bit strong, but he had pretty poor hands from my admittedly rough estimation. Never seemed to make the tough catch in his years with Taylor. Not big, not especially fast, not a good receiver, reputation as a good determined blocker. Not his fault Rex and Whaley overpaid to get him, but as time went on he pretty quickly didn't even look average out there. No clue how this helps Rosen at all.

A lot of that and their overall success will come down to whether they can have any sort of a running game this year. Your top two RBs averaging under 3.5 per carry is NOT good. Hard to take JA's excellent play action too seriously when your run game is a joke. They need to get better at OL, RB, and OL/Running Game COACH. Hopefully the last part is already accomplished - we'll see. Castillo sets a pretty low bar wherever he goes, with teams' running games miraculously improving when he leaves - hopefully that history holds up.

yeah - it's hard to do one's job I guess ?

Yeah - this is a very weird draft - almost no offensive talent projected in the top half. I would love this trade, though it feels a little pricey - depending on who Oakland thinks they are getting, Bills might even scrape another pick out them. All of this reasoning is pre-combine, mind you - there will be a LOT of movement on the draft boards after March.

I'm not willing to pass judgement on ANY of the OL based on how they played over time under Castillo's coaching. Miller was looking good in his first season in Buffalo, then Juan took over. Wood got a lot worse under Castillo. Dawkins looked great out of college then got worse over time. See a pattern here? Dawkins might be a lot better then we think. "but it has to be rebuilt at every position" so the OL that led the league in rushing two straight years before Castillo took over now looks like complete garbage? Maybe all of them got a lot better when that clown left town?

Hehe - much like the draft I'm going BPA over need, which is clearly Bruce.

And you solve that conflict by trading down (or maybe up) to where a need position has a BPA. I really didn't like Beane's answer b/c of this fact. Sure don't reach for need where you are sitting - but FFS don't sit there then! Having said that, we already know Beane will trade all over the place so that his need guy is a legit BPA.

Speed over size is what you want for Allen. We saw that pretty clearly over the two halves of the season. Obviously you want "good receivers", but the OP asked a fair question, and the answer is speed. Sammy Watkins would be amazing with Josh Allen - if he wasn't always broken. And I'd only qualify my "size doesn't matter" ? answer with "as long as they're big enough to play and survive on an NFL field". We don't need Roscoe Parrish 2.0.

I try to take some pity on my Ravens and Redskins fan friends, but I still want them to lose so I'm not hearing about how great they are all the time! ?

Reading comprehension FAIL - better luck next time. I asserted Allen is 'more likely to improve" - you've done zero to challenge that.

I live down in Maryland, and ALL my hard core Ravens fan friends told me the same thing. That was Kromer McDermott did - and he kept CROSSMAN!

Cam Newton is also a cocky SOB who comfortably presented himself as Superman from the get-go. Josh Allen is all about how he can work to get better. No comparison on who is likely to improve more.

I'd have to look at the roster moves by year, but just looking at the Ravens history before, during, and after his tenure there is pretty damning on his coaching. Add to that what we saw with the Bills - both the statistical performance, and the individual drop off by multiple players - Mills, and Wood come to mind.

Team Year Rushing Rank Underlined in red are Castillo OL and/or Run Game coordinator coaching jobs Eagles 2008 22 Eagles 2009 22 Eagles 2010 5 Eagles 2011 5 (Castillo was with the Eagles but as the Defensive Coordinator, not OL coach) Eagles 2012 13 Ravens 2012 11 Ravens 2013 30 Ravens 2014 8 Ravens 2015 26 Ravens 2016 28 Ravens 2017 11 Ravens 2018 2 Bills 2015 1 Bills 2016 1 Bills 2017 6 Bills 2018 9 Worth noting on Bills stats, and Ravens stats this year, rushing numbers were heavily inflated by a running QB, which hardly has anything to do with the OL or "run-game" he "coordinated". (Or his predecessor in Buffalo with TT, to be fair.) Bottom line, he had a few good years, but generally teams have been better without him than with him.

Seriously, can we please sign him to a 15 year contract?!!! What is Beane waiting for?! (Yes, I know that's not allowed...)

Interesting - the Castillo and Crossman moves were expected and overdue. Do we really think the WR group didn't show improvement? Robiskie was the guy who coached Zay in college, right?

When it's Teflon Juan (PLEASE!!!), yes, I will be dancing in the street. I do NOT want that incompetent coaching (ruining) all the talented new OL they will certainly bring in.