Albany,n.y.

I went because I have a college friend in Orange County and I was going to the SF-Oakland Bay area for Thanksgiving & detoured to So. Cal before heading north to visit family. We had gone to a (non Bills) game in San Diego in a prior season when the Chargers played in SD. You weren't the only one who left. In the 3rd or 4th quarter we moved from our endzone seats to the sidelines & watched the rest of the game from the good seats that fans had vacated.

They just don't get it. The Bills have their core players locked up through at least the 2022 season & Josh's cap number went down by $6.7 million dollars in 2022. So now if they started the day with less than a million they now have over $7 million in cap room with the new contract, and that's before they rework Edmund's contract if they extend him beyond his 5th year option & lower his 2022 cap hit from it's current projected $12.7 million. Here's why: Josh will get paid over $46.5 million next year in real $, but $42 million of it is in a fully guaranteed roster option. Since the $42 million is amortized over 5 years it adds (rounded) $8.5 million to next year's cap . His base salary, which was $23.1 million has been dropped to $4.1 million. Add in this year's $16,500,000 signing bonus divided by 5 years to get another $3.3 million & $500 k workout bonus & his cap number is $16.38 million. So his cap hit goes from (unrounded) $23,106,000 to $16,380,000, a cap savings of $6,726,000 even though Josh will more than double in real cash what his 5th year option would have paid next year with no extension. Meanwhile, the Jets plan is to draft a new QB with a top 5 pick every few years and never have to give him a 2nd contract at big $ and give their fans bragging rights to a lot of cap space going into each offseason. Here's a link to Josh's cap hits every year of the new contract if you want to see the numbers in a chart: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/josh-allen-25102/

1 change: Darby was traded for Jordan Matthews and a 3rd, not a 2nd. The Bills had 2-2nd rounders & they both went to Tampa. The 3rd from Philly was used for Harrison Phillips. The Bills own 3rd was traded for Kelvin Benjamin.

Where the Pegulas messed up was in not firing Whaley right after the 2016 season ending PC where he embarrassed himself & the team & having a new GM in place 3-4 months before the 2017 draft. They were not prepared to properly scout the 2017 QB class because they had lost trust in Whaley to make the picks in 2017. They couldn't pick a QB who wasn't the GM's guy. Look at what happened with the Jets. The new GM wanted his own QB & did just about everything he could to make Sam Darnold look bad. The lack of offensive talent around Darnold last year was a disgrace & it was the GM's fault. So now he's got his own QB & decided to give him weapons Darnold never had since Douglas arrived & nobody knows if Darnold is a bust or has a future in Carolina. A team that is about to replace their GM in a few days is not going to want him picking the future QB. They tied their own hands by keeping Whaley around 4 months too long. The day they put a gag order on him was the day he should have been fired.

If the Bills had completed the original plan & traded both 1st rounders and pick 53 to Denver for pick 5, you would have a point. But since there was no part of the Mahomes to KC trade included in the trade with Tampa, having the extra 1st rounder was not a factor. The bottom line was the Bills, who were about to fire their GM after the 2017 draft decided to let the new GM & his team select the QB of the future after Whaley's departure. For all intents & purposes the Bills were preparing for the 2018 draft in 2017, and yes, they were loading up on picks, but they had to know KC's pick would not be very high in 2018. Without the trade of Glenn to Cincinnati to move from 21 to 12, pick 22 wouldn't have helped anyway and as it turned out, it didn't. The more important point, going back to the original win-win premise is that the trade with Tampa was truly a win-win for both teams as Tampa used those picks to help them win the Super Bowl & the Bills got their franchise QB.

If Josh's agent is on the west coast, that means the deal was done around midnight their time.

They ended up charging me $44.73, not $179.88 for the next year. I don't know what it will be next year.

I don't see what the big deal is. 3 veteran fringe players who weren't going to make the team & figured going through the drudgery of camp only to get cut later wasn't worth it.

Ralph once had a coach, John Rauch, who got into an argument with him & quit in July. Then decades later KC fired their OC in preseason & the Bills hired him as HC the next season. Late October may be being kind. When I was watching the game I thought that if George Steinbrenner was still alive & owned the Cowboys he would have fired McCarthy tonight.

There is no official Buffalo Bills liquor until it's been in Pinto's bowling ball!

Hey Scott, how much did you have to pay the cameraman to put your initials on that camera?

If Haskins can't beat out Rudolph he might as well quit football. Rudolph is nothing more than a career backup. The Steelers don't have Roethlisberger's successor on the team. After Lamar Jackson was picked at 32 in 2018 the rest of the class had nothing. 2018's QB class was top heavy with only 4 QBs, including Rudolph having played their whole careers with the team that drafted them. After the 1st round it was a QB wasteland, Rudolph included in the trash. Shoulder injury. If he keeps this up he's going to be the Rob Johnson of Dallas.

Rudolph was a 3rd round pick, #76 overall.

I remember that before Peterman's 1st start in LA there were posts across various Bills message boards, including here, where fans were talking of Peterman being so good that the Bills wouldn't have to use a draft pick on a QB and could use all those picks in the 1st & 2nd round to build the team around the latest savior, Nathan Peterman. They clearly thought he was an upgrade from Tyrod. My position was that I was very skeptical of Peterman & before his 1st start I started calling him Nathan Marangi. I was at the LA game & at halftime I found a quiet spot away from the stands to call my friend Petrino & laugh at Peterman. One game wasn't enough & he ruined another road trip for me by starting the Baltimore 2018 season opener. I was so glad when Josh came in, in the 2nd half. The only game he wasn't a total disaster was the snow game vs Indy that I never saw because I was in the hospital & the Bills weren't on TV in Albany that day. For the record, it wasn't Peterman's play in LA that put me in the hospital that December. 😄 Here's a good one from the archives: 11/15/2017 - The day that changed the entire course of history for this franchise - The Stadium Wall Archives - Two Bills Drive I found this on another board dated 11/19/2017 To: Gary Marangi From: Albany,n.y. Dear Mr. Marangi, please accept my apologies for comparing Nate Peterman to you. You were a much better QB. I will never call him Nathan Marangi again, his new name is Nathan 1987 Manucci. He has now attained the status of being compared with a strike player who threw 0 TDs & 2 INTs with a 3.8 passer rating in a strike game.

I was a little disappointed that they didn't have Mel Kiper's comments when the Bills drafted Josh. It's on the link at 1:20 to 2:20. His best descriptions were Josh is a difference maker, a big time talent & a rare talent. Not surprising since Kiper had him as the top QB in 2018 & currently stands as the 10th highest rated QB in the history of Kiper's draft grades.

What league is he still in? He's no longer in the NFL.

Kizer was released:https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/05/titans-releasing-deshone-kizer/

The guy who is Fitzpatrick's rival is ex-Bill (and just about every ex-other team) Josh Johnson, who signed with the Jets. Every time Fitz changes teams Johnson says "I'll see that team & raise 2 more!"

The funniest thing I saw about that song was a letter to the editor in the sports section of the Sunday Buffalo News where the writer wrote " Marv to Bills, 'Win or I'll sing again'"

I used to live between Rensselaer where the train started & Schenectady. In the beginning, when I went with others, we'd all meet in Rensselaer, but later I realized it was easier to go to Schenectady. Also, if I was going alone I'd go to Schenectady because I could sleep a little later. As the years went by & the Bills were no longer a Super Bowl contender the number of riders diminished. I remember one of the final years the Bills were playing the Eagles & I got to the Schenectady train station and it was dark & spooky & no one else was there. Finally 2 or 3 people came & when the train pulled up there were only 2 train cars attached. I had the feeling that day that the Bills Express wasn't going to be around much longer.

QBs don't grow on trees. The gap between franchise QBs can be decades & Belichick doesn't have decades. Let's look at the class of 1983 QBs & what happened to their teams after their franchise QB retired. The Bills went over 20 years between franchise QBs, Miami hasn't found theirs since Marino hung them up & Denver had a few years of P. Manning at the end of his career but except for the fluke of his injury in Indy & getting replaced by Luck, Denver hasn't had a franchise QB & that one wasn't drafted by them. Want to see how bad it can get? The Jets haven't ever had another franchise QB since Joe Namath.

If Josh was on the Jets they never would have fired Bowles or the GM & they wouldn't have been the no-talent disaster they were under Gase. They would have given Josh the weapons needed instead of letting his best receiver go like the Jets did to Darnold. If the GM totally screws up his job like Joe Douglas did last year in a failed tank to get Trevor Lawrence (I have always thought that all tanks are done by the GM messing up the roster so that the coaching staff has an insufficient amount of players to win because all players & coaches play to win every game-except playoff spot locked up teams in season finales) then he can make a QB look bad, but you can't ruin a good player. Tannehill's biggest problem in Miami was he kept getting hurt. Bad coaches can make a player look bad, but that's pretty short term for guys destined to be stars. Look at when Jim Kelly came here. He had a horrible 1st coach with the Bills & the team knew the sooner they got rid of Bullough, the better. You don't have to have a great organization to develop a QB, but you can't have a joke of a coaching staff either because the play calling can make a QB look bad even when the talent is still evident in spite of some bad stats.

Nonsense! Josh Allen had the worst offense in his rookie year than any of the QBs. No OL, no WR, basically he was a one man show his rookie year miraculously winning 5 games in 11 starts & probably would have won a 6th if Peterman hadn't messed things up in Houston. Josh Allen overcame that offense. That offense brought his stats down where the people who don't watch him play questioned his NFL viability. The Bills who saw him every day never questioned his ability because they understood they gave him nothing to work with as a rookie. If he was a product of his rookie environment, when he also had a QB coach who never coached QBs before, he would have sunk like Josh Rosen. Rosen is now on his 4th team, because like every other QB in the NFL who busted, the NFL game was too big for him, no matter what the environment around him was. Great QBs change the enviroment themselves, bust QBs will fail everywhere. Using your premise, if environment was the most important thing, all those mid round QBs drafted in NE would all be superstars. Tom Brady would uplift any team & if the Bills, during their drought years had drafted Brady, they would have won a ton of games and possibly multiple Super Bowls, no matter how bad the coaching staff was. Nowadays, most QBs have their own QB coach or some kind of mentor who isn't part of the NFL. If the team he's on isn't providing a proper environment, the player will lean more heavily on his private coach. The good & great ones make their own environment & the bad ones flame out no matter how good the environment around them is on their team. QBs make coaches, not the other way around. Year after year there are coaches who never have won anything before become geniuses with a franchise QB. Just look at what Jim Kelly did for Marv Levy; Brady did for Belichick, who is below 500 without Brady; Roethlisberger has done for Tomlin; Peyton Manning did for just about all his coaches; and Russell Wilson has done for 2 time NFL loser Pete Carroll. Most HOF coaches get there on the back of a HOF QB.

Every time Tyrod thinks he's going to be his team's starter, they yank the ball away like Lucy does to Charlie Brown.