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Over the Last Five Years in the Regular Season: The Bills are 61-22 for a .735% win percentage (good for 2nd best in the league, only behind the Chiefs), so over those 5 years: -The Bills have the second most wins in the league -The Bills have scored the most points in the league -The Bills have the 3rd most yards in the league -The Bills defense has allowed the fewest amount of points in the league -The Bills defense has allowed the 2nd fewest yards -The Bills are first in defensive takeaways -The Bills are eleventh in sacks -The Bills are first in point differential with +912 points [The Ravens are second with +699, the Chiefs are third with +602] -5 of 5 eleven plus win seasons, three 13-win seasons, 5 AFC East titles, 5 playoff berths (four #2 seeds, one #3 seed) It's pretty crazy, when you lay it all out, just how good the Bills have been in the regular season. Glad you're coming around OP, but at least average is the biggest understatement I've heard in a long while. I mean honestly, as far as regular season goes, what more could you possibly ask for. Come on dude. That is just the nature of the playoffs itself. Unless you get to the Super Bowl, your playoff wins will be against lower seeds and your loss(es) will be to higher seeds (if you are often a #2 or #3 as Buffalo has been). I like how you went down to the 4th seed too, so you could include Houston. And for two of those years, there were only 6 seeds (so yeah, just by odds, we were going to lose to a 1-4 seed over a 5-6 seed, or even a 5-7 seed, if we didn't make the Super Bowl). Saying 0-6 against 1-4 seeds doesn't really add anything to the debate, it's still just, he hasn't made a Super Bowl yet. Plus, three of those losses were to the Chiefs. An all-time team (kind of like Peyton and the Colts behind Brady and the Pats). Two of the three years the Chiefs beat us, they made it to the Super Bowl. Last year, after beating us, they went on to win the Super Bowl. Our last two playoff meetings with this juggernaut team was a 6-point OT loss and a 3-point loss on a missed field goal at the end of the game. Some of you guys act like we get blown out of the playoffs every year. Or that Sean screws up every game with horrible decisions, etc. Outsie of 13 seconds, where are all of these major screw-ups? We have a 6-6 playoff record. A perfect playoff game. One of the greatest playoff games in history (regardlesss of the outcome). A win against Lamar, Harbaugh, and the Ravens. Despite our even record, we are still +38 points in playoff point differential under McD. Four of the six losses were one score games. Two of the losses were in Overtime. We have not been a bad playoff team by any means under Sean...we have just lost some heartbreakers (which happens to every coach, btw).

Nice article...thanks for posting. I'll give it a bump.

That's a great Comp. Hope he helps bring a ring to Buffalo like Dennis did for Detroit and Chicago.

I do agree with you that the Bye is a huge advantage. But so far, albeit with a very small sample size, it hasn't guaranteed Super Bowls. Since the new format started in 2020 (so only 4 years of data), 4 of 8 (50%) #1 seeds have made the Super Bowl. Only 1 of 8 thus far have won the Super Bowl. Two #1 seeds lost in the divisional round, two #1 seeds lost in their Conference Championship. But again, it's a small sample size. For instance in 2021, Tennessee was a very weak #1 seed. And two of the upsets were the year the GOAT took Tampa Bay all the way. So, hard to draw too many conclusions yet. But again, I do agree that I preferred when two teams got the bye. Definitely balanced things out a bit.

You kind of made it sound like many players said, McD's defense (overall) "wasn't good enough to beat one of the top college teams at the time." Jordan was very specifically talking about just the very end of that game against KC (the 13 seconds). And about how that all played out (the decisions made, the coverage used, the players on the field). He wasn't talking about the defense alone, or McD's defense as a whole over the years, he was talking about the end-of-game operation at the end of that one specific game. The end-of-operation at the end of that game wouldn't have been good enough to beat a TOP college team at that time. Look, we all know what happened with 13 seconds. It has been talked about on this board ad nauseam for 3 years. But, you seem to be extrapolating that quote out to view McD's whole career in someway. Here is the full quote from Jordan. And mind you, the interviewer asked if the fault was Leslie Frazier's for playing a soft zone: "Yeah, I mean you can point fingers here and there and elsewhere man...it was honestly that entire operation. There's really not one finger that you can point at all...because it was just the entire end of operation that was not...that wasn't good enough. To be honest, it might not have been good enough to beat one of the top college teams in the country at that time...just the way that happened. I mean that just shouldn't happen. We all made mistakes in that moment and again, shouldn't be one person to blame or the other. Like, I take ownership in making mistakes in those moments and everybody made mistakes in those moments." People really need to just let 13 seconds go (I hate even typing 13 seconds anymore). It was three years ago. We are a better team. McDermott is a better coach for it. Growth mindset: Learn from your mistakes, get better, and move on. All of the anti-McD sentiment still really just stems from that one game. There is almost nothing else that anyone can point to (except maybe the Bengals playoff game, but that's a pretty bad argument imo, people just like to ignore all of the crazy circumstances of that season).

I would like to see all of these quotes. Come on, deliver. I do remember earlier this year (can't remember which game it was) when THE GOAT was the color man for our game. And Brady spent much of the game talking about how difficult it was to play against Sean's defense, because of all of the disguises and versatile players, etc.. He played against McD's defense 8 times in his career. I know this may make things easier for you if we lose, because rather than dealing with disappointment, you can immediately go instead into anger at the coach. But can we at least wait until they play the game and see what happens? It's only a few days away. Sounds to me like you have already given up and are expecting a loss. Doesn't sound like a fun way to enjoy the pastime of football to me.

Well, we are home. I think that is a big plus for the Bills to start with. But, yeah, it's a tough match-up...which is why it should be a great game. Below are the team rankings (fyi). Points For: BUF 2 BAL 3 Yards For: BUF 10 BAL 1 Pass Offense: BUF: 9 BAL: 7 Rush Offense: BUF: 9 BAL: 1 Points Against: Buf 12 BAL 9 Yards Against: BUF 17 BAL 10 Rush Defense: BUF 12 BAL 1 Pass Defense: BUF 9 BAL 2 Baltimore leads in almost every category, which is a bit scary. But you could also take a different perspective by looking at the teams' best two wins and worst two losses. Bills best two wins: Kansas City (15-2), Detroit (15-2) Bills worst two losses: Houston (10-7, div winner, still alive in the playoffs); Los Angeles Rams (10-7, div winner, still alive in the playoffs) Ravens best two wins: Buffalo Bills (13-4), Washington (12-5) Ravens worst two losses: Cleveland (3-14); Las Vegas (4-13) Of course, Baltimore won the early head-to-head. But that was week 4 when the Bills were still trying to figure out who they were with all of the new and young players. Remember when the season started, Khalil was the only WR Josh had thrown to in a game. We had two new starting safeties. No Milano, no Bernard, no Taron Johnson for that first matchup. Baltimore doesn't scare me...I think this Bills team can beat anyone, especially at home. But I do expect a really hard-fought, great game. As most people have been saying...it feels like a coin toss game. who is gonna make that extra play, or fewer mistakes; who gets the lucky bounces, etc. Go Bills!

Always love reading your recaps Shaw. Excellent post as always. 👍 I've been rewatching the highlights a bit and wanted to make a bit of a silly, but honest comment, I guess here is as good a place as any. The Three Prettiest Things in the Win Over the Broncos: [Not necessarily the best, or most important, etc.---the "prettiest".] 1. Jimbo Cook turning the corner. He makes it look so easy. The speed, angle, and smoothness are all at an elite-level. He just flows like surging water around a bend in the river. Beautiful. His patience, following his blockers, has become top-tier too...like a prime Leveon Bell. 2. Khalil "Tupac" Shakir "a, his hips don't lie." The spinning pinball finding extra yards every time he touched the ball. Definitely a thing of beauty. His spin move is a killer. 3. Maybe it was the orange pants, but Riley Dixon's punt mechanics. He just looked so smooth, soft, with great extension, etc. I don't really know how good a punter he is overall (can't believe it's his 9th year in the league and I haven't really been that aware of him), and again, maybe it was partly the uniform, but his punt motion is very balletic.

One of my friends was at the game yesterday. She and her son were in the same suite as Dalvin Cook and the Cook family. She happened to be wearing a James Cook jersey (not knowing she'd be in the same suite as his fam). She said they were awesome and it was a blast. I can imagine, with the day that Jimbo had.

Game Balls: Josh Cook Samuel Johnson Shakir (for WR play and taking over punt return duties) Honorable mentions: Milano, Groot, Von, Bernard, Mack, Dawkins

Hey Broncos...this is Bills Country. And we're Talking Proud! We Defend Our Dirt, because when it's Too Tough for You, it's Just Right for Us. We are Humble, but oh soooo Hungry...with a bit of a chip on our shoulders. And in our place, good luck hearing your snap counts because it will be Fandemonium in there. Because Mafia Means Family and there is no where we'd rather be than Right Here, Right Now. We have Trusted the Process, we Billeve, and we're ready to SHOUT!. Oh, and btw, Nobody Circles the Wagons Like the Buffalo Bills! LET'S GO BUFFALO!

We proved that we could beat KC and Detroit. So, they shouldn't scare us. But no question, if the Bills make it through, KC in KC would probably be the hardest game. The Bills are going to have to not be in their heads about losing to them 3 times in the playoffs (like the 90s teams got in their heads about playing poorly/losing in SBs by the 3rd and 4th ones). The Ravens game was in Baltimore and was early in the season (week 4) when the Bills were still trying to figure out who they were, and they were playing a lot of first-time starters or players new to the team (Hamlin, Rapp, Dorian, Spector, Hollins, Samuel, Davis, Keon, MVS, Bishop, Carter, etc.). I think we are a much different team now (adding Cooper, getting Milano back, the season-long experience for the new and young guys, etc.), so as long as we don't give up an 87-yard TD run to Henry on like the first play of the game, I think we can minimize the damage (not stop it) of their run game (especially if we can get out to a lead and force them to go away from it). So, no question, it wouldn't be an easy game by any measure...but I don't know if the Ravens scare me. I think we're still the better overall team...especially at home. Henry is definitely a scary player, especially with our style of defense, and he did crush our defense for 199 rushing yards and 2 TDs earlier this year. But, McDermott's defense has actually fared better than you'd think over the years vs. King Henry (albeit when he was on the Titans and not the Ravens, and we had different players on Defense). Sean has faced Henry six times with Henry's stats looking like this: 2024: 24 for 199, 2 TDs 2022: 13 for 25, 1 TD 2021: 20 for 143, 3 TDs 2020: 19 for 57, 2 TDs 2019: 20 for 78, 1 TD 2018: 11 for 56, 0 TDs But, anyhow, the Bills are good enough to beat any team in the league this year. They just have to go out and do it.

I understand why people were high on him initially. In his first three seasons, he had 14,789 yards and 102 TDs. That averages to 4,930 yards and 34 TDs per season. Those are some pretty big numbers. He did also have 35 INTs, which is higher than you'd like, obviously. The Chargers had 6, 9, and then 10 wins in his first three years, for a 25-24 overall record. (The Chargers had 5 wins the year before they drafted Justin). They made the playoffs in his third year with 10 wins, and he played pretty well in the playoff game, though they lost to Jacksonville 31-30 in the Wild Card. But, he looked like a QB on the rise to most. Now, I'm not sure what happened the last two years. Haven't watched much Herbert or Chargers. Is it Herbert? Is it loss of weapons/talent? Is it coaching or organizational? Probably a little all of the above. But they did still have 11 wins this season. So, I don't know. I don't think I'd put a fork in Herbert yet. But, yes, anyone who put him in the top tier of QBs a couple of years ago, was obviously premature (at best) or completely wrong (at worst). Maybe he just doesn't have that killer instinct/extra gear that the greats have. But then sometimes you're just considered not a big game guy until you are. I guess we'll see if Herbert can ever overcome that well-worn stigma.

I have to believe there is some personal bias amongst some of the voters. But the problem really is, there seems to be no set standards for what qualifies as an MVP season...among fans or voters. We hear best stats, best passing stats, best passing stats on the team with the best record, most clutch/big wins, the ability to carry or will your team to victory. Who knows what each voter is using to make their decision. That's exactly the issue. Lamar is absolutely more than worthy of the MVP this year...so is Josh. They both have great stats, great records, are the 2 and 3 seeds in the AFC. It's hard to separate them. Maybe you lean to Josh because of the big games vs. KC and Detroit. Maybe you lean to Lamar due to his stats, since so much else seems even. Heck, give them Co-MVPs this year as far as I'm concerned. So, I won't be upset if Lamar wins over Josh. Last year, however, as I have pointed out, Lamar was 15th in passing yards and 11th in passing TDs. Both Josh and Dak had significantly more overall yards, TDs, and points than Lamar last year (including rushing stats). Lamar only had 1 more win than Dak and 2 more than Josh. Baltimore was a #1 seed, Dallas and Buffalo were #2 seeds. So, why did Lamar win last year with the worst stats of the 4 QBs in the running (Brock Purdy as the 4th)? We were told because he was the #1 seed with the best record (because there was no other case for Lamar last year). Josh has more wins and has a higher seed than Lamar this year. Burrow has better stats than Lamar. But this year, wins and seeding doesn't seem to matter, unless someone has better stats than Lamar, then their record does matter. Again, this isn't anti-Lamar (he's great)...it's the voting process for the award that makes no sense. It's a personal preference award selected by 50 people whose football opinions are no better than anyone else's. That's why it really doesn't matter, because there is no consistency or integrity in the voting.

Tank Dell/Nico Collins/Stefon Diggs > Nico Collins and no body

Just throwing some stats at your post: Yes, Baltimore had the tougher schedule based on wins and losses: Ravens' opponents records: 153-136 (52.9 win%) Bills' opponents records: 135-154 (46.7 win%) No question Ravens are in a tougher division. I don't really see Miami as a worse team than the Steelers or Bengals (when Tua is playing, which he did for both Buffalo games this year)...but they only have one cakewalk (CLE) as opposed to two for us (Jets/NE). Not that any division game is a cake walk really, no matter what the records are. And their bottom two teams only had 3 more wins than our bottom two teams and we threw away one of our games against one of our bottom-feeders. But, still, edge to the Ravens. As to against playoff teams, the Ravens played more playoff teams and had a better record, but the Bills playoff opponents were of a slightly higher caliber overall: The Bills playoff opponents were 62-23 (or 72.9 win%) The Ravens playoff opponents were 115-55 (or 67.6 win%) The non-common playoff opponents that the Ravens played that the Bills did not were: Pittsburgh (twice), Denver, Washington, Tampa, Philly, and LA Chargers. Not saying the Bills win all of them, but I think we'd be favored in at least 6 out of those 7 games. The non-common playoff opponents that the Bills played that the Ravens didn't were: Detroit, LA Rams. What does Baltimore do? 2-0, 1-1, 0-2? Common opponents (KC & HOU): Buffalo 1-1; Bal: 1-1. [And Baltimore played Houston at the end of the year after their WR room had been decimated.] You can only play who is on your schedule. Who knows what their records against playoff teams would be if they played the same playoff opponents. Probably pretty similar. Average offensive score per game against playoff opponents: Bal: 29.7 Buf: 30.0 Against 12+ win teams Buf: 2-1 Bal: 2-2 Against Division-winning teams Buf: 3-2 Bal: 3-2 Buffalo: Best wins: Detroit (15-2), KC (15-2). Worst losses: Rams (10-7, div winner), Houston (10-7, div winner) Baltimore: Best wins: Buffalo (13-4), Wash (12-5) Worst losses: Cleveland (3-14), Las Vegas (4-13) Not really sure, in the long run, that the schedule can be used to separate Lamar and Josh in any significant way.

Either last year, or in the off-season, I found a paper/article that did a statistical study and said that on average a turnover equates to 4 points for the opposing team. I'll try to find the article again and post it.

Well, historically, there haven't been as many running QBs as there are now. We had Cunningham, Vick, and Cam. All in different eras basically. But, with the way the league is changing and with how many QBs have significant rushing stats these days, they should take it into account (for all QBs). I think it is a convenient excuse (to ding running QBs---or specifically Josh) to not take their rushing ability into account. It seems like people take it into account for Lamar. But, as far as passing stats alone (no rushing stats), it looks like this: 2023: Lamar 3,678 yards 24 TDs 7 INTs Josh 4,306 yards 29 TDs 18 INTs Dak 4,516 yards 36 TDs 9 INTs Brock 4,280 yards 31 TDs 11 INTs 2024: Lamar 4,172 yards 41 TDs 4 INTs Josh 3,731 yards 28 TDs 6 INTs Burrow 4,918 yards 43 TDs 9 INTs Career: Lamar 20,059 yards 166 TDs 49 INTs Josh 26,434 yards 195 TDs 84 INTs Playoffs: Lamar 1,324 yards 6 TDs 6 INTs Josh 2,723 yards 21 TDs 4 INTs So, if it's who has the best passing stats, then why didn't Dak win last year? And I guess Burrow should win this year. Not really sure what you are arguing. I mean, how did Lamar win last year then, when he was 15th in passing yards in the league and 11th in passing TDs. Are you telling me that they didn't take his rushing stats into account at all?

Again, at this point, I have given up on caring about awards. If the criteria changes each year to suit personal preferences, then the award is meaningless. But, just for fun, I thought that I would post some comparison numbers/stats: 2024 [All attempts, yards, TDs, and turnovers are combined passing and rushing] Lamar 613 attempts 5,057 yards 45 TDs 9 TOs QBR: 77.5 Record: 12-5, 3rd seed AFC Josh 585 attempts 4,367 yards 40 TDs 8 TOs QBR: 77.2 Record: 13-4, 2nd seed AFC For those discussing how much Josh sat due to the team being up...if you prorate Josh's stats to the number of Lamar's attempts, Lamar is still 511 yards ahead of Josh, and Josh would have 43 TDs, still two behind Lamar. But, as others have said, Josh didn't have an almost 2,000-yard, MVP candidate next to him at RB, nor 8 Pro-Bowlers and 3 All-Pros on his team (only 2 Pro Bowlers and 0 All Pros for Josh's team)---excluding Lamar and Josh from those numbers. And record, seeding, and winning big games late in the year (like KC and Detroit) seemed to matter last year, hmmm. 2023 [All attempts, yards, TDs, and turnovers are combined passing and rushing] Lamar 605 attempts 4,499 yards 29 TDs 14 TOs QBR: 64.7 Record 13-3, 1st seed AFC Josh 690 attempts 4,830 yards 44 TDs 22 TOs QBR: 69.6 Record 11-6, 2nd seed AFC Dak 645 attempts 4,758 yards 38 TDs 11 TOs QBR: 72.7 Record 12-5, 2nd seed NFC Purdy 483 attempts 4,424 yards 33 TDs 13 TOs QBR: 72.8 Record 12-5, 1st seed NFC Turnovers were the big talking point last year for Josh. But, he had 15 more TDs than Lamar too (never discussed). Turnovers generally equate to 4 points for the opposing team. So, even if you subtract 4 points for each turnover (for all QBs) from their total points scored (TDs), their positive points scored would work out to: Dak: 222 points; Josh 220 points; Brock 179 points; and Lamar: 147 points. Career [All attempts, yards, TDs, and turnovers are combined passing and rushing] Lamar Reg. Season Record: 70-24 26,232 yards 199 TDs 78 TOs QBR: 64.7 Josh Reg. Season Record: 76-34 30, 576 yards 260 TDs 112 TOs QBR: 93.0 If you pro-rated Lamar's stats to the same number of games/attempts as Josh (who has played 16 games more over their careers), it would look like this: Lamar 31,966 yards 242 TDs 95 TOs Pretty hard not to celebrate both of these guys. But as far as the pro-rated stats go...as they say, the best ability is availability. Playoffs [All attempts, yards, TDs, and turnovers are combined passing and rushing] Lamar Record: 2-5 307.5 yards/game 1.5 TDs/game 1.5 TOs/game 18.8 points/game average -19 point differential Josh Record: 5-5 328.6 yards/game 2.7 TDs/game 0.6 TOs/game 26.9 points/game average +21 point differential This, obviously, is the kicker...their playoff performances thus far. I like Lamar a lot, and as C.Biscuit said, we shouldn't have to knock Lamar (a great player) to promote Josh. The issue is with the voters, not with Lamar. But, they can give every award they want to Lamar (or Joe Burrow with his 9-win, no playoff season---how was he even in the discussion?), I'll still take Josh every day of the week. Screw his overall NFL legacy, if they don't want to actually give him his proper due, in Buffalo he will always be a god.

I posted this in the other thread, but for anyone who didn't see the other thread, I thought I would repost it. It's a list of other Bills players with return experience: Khalil Shakir: NFL---6 kick off returns, 8 punt returns College---7 kick off returns, 24 punt returns Micah Hyde: NFL---3 kick off returns, 17 punt returns College---29 punt returns Ty Johnson: NFL---27 kick off returns College---48 kick off returns, 4 punt returns, 2 kick off return touchdowns KJ Hamler: NFL---2 kick off returns, 3 punt returns College: 44 kick off returns, 37 punt returns Curtis Samuel: NFL---20 kick off returns College---21 kick off returns, 6 punt returns Daequan Hardy: College---3 kick off returns, 17 punt returns, 2 punt returns for TDs Jalen Virgil: College---36 kick off returns, 3 kick off return TDs Keon Coleman: College---25 punt returns

I looked it up again, apparently he did not technically return any punts. They all came when he was playing defensive special teams. He returned three blocked punts for TDs in his college career (one of which he blocked himself and scooped and scored). But, the stats label those as punt return TDs for some reason...I guess there isn't a better designation. Tyrell did have three blocked punts himself in his two years at San Diego State (along with two of his ST TDs, the other TD happened when he was at Bama) and was considered a special teams ACE.

Well, we have some options at least, and should be able to get through one game: Khalil Shakir: NFL---6 kick off returns, 8 punt returns College---7 kick off returns, 24 punt returns Micah Hyde: NFL---3 kick off returns, 17 punt returns College---29 punt returns Ty Johnson: NFL---27 kick off returns College---48 kick off returns, 4 punt returns, 2 kick off return touchdowns KJ Hamler: NFL---2 kick off returns, 3 punt returns College: 44 kick off returns, 37 punt returns Curtis Samuel: NFL---20 kick off returns College---21 kick off returns, 6 punt returns Daequan Hardy: College---3 kick off returns, 17 punt returns, 2 punt returns for TDs Jalen Virgil: College---36 kick off returns, 3 kick off return TDs Keon Coleman: College---25 punt returns Tyrell Shavers: [Most interesting stat by far] College: 2 punt returns, 3 punt return TDs. How does one get 3 PR TDs on only 2 PRs? He recovered and scored on a fumble by the opposing teams punt team. [EDIT: Shavers did not return any punts in college, his three special teams TDs (listed as punt returns) came on fumble recoveries that he scooped and scored after the opposing team's punts were blocked.]

I think many Bills fans and probably most of the football world would agree that the Broncos have the better coach. Mostly because Payton has a Super Bowl win (and is a very good offensive mind)...and that is more than fair. But is it really true? Sean Payton had a top-10 All-Time Quarterback, who is second All-Time in passing yards in the league (only behind Brady), for 14 seasons and he only had one Super Bowl appearance (a win). He had two heart-breaking, last second playoff losses (similar to 13 seconds) in back-to-back years. If he were the Bills coach, he would have been on the hot seat here too (1 SB appearance in 14 seasons with a first-ballot HOF QB?). Coach Years Record Win% Playoff record Playoff Win% 10-Win Seasons Division Championships Furtherest Advancement Payton 17 170-105 .618% 9-8 52.9% 10 of 17 years (58.8%) 7 in 17 years 1 Super Bowl appearance and win 2 NFC Champ game appearances (win+loss) McD 8 86-45 .656% 5-6 45.5% 6 of 8 years (75%) 5 in 8 years 1 AFC Championship appearance (loss) Yes, Josh is one of at least three great QBs in his era, just as Drew was 1 of 3 in his era. BUT...Josh (and McD) play in the same Conference as the other great QBs in their era, while Brees (Payton) did not play in the same Conference as the other two great QBs of their era (Brady and Manning). And as far as years without Drew Brees, Payton has only had 3 other seasons with 1. Winston/Siemien/Hill, 2. Russell Wilson, and 3. Bo Nix as his QBs. Not bad quarterbacking except for the first example. And let's not forget that McD has a year with Tyrod. So, you can't really say Payton's stats were hurt by the years without Drew. And as far as if there is a difference between Josh and Drew... Josh would need 13 more seasons at his current pace to match Drew Brees' career numbers (he would have to play 20 seasons total, the same as Drew did---and that is including Josh's rushing numbers). So, pretty similar stats (though Josh may not make 20 seasons with his style of play). Drew generally tends to be ranked between the 6-11 range of All-Time QBs (leaning closer to the 6-8 range). I don't see Josh currently being ranked (at the end of his career) higher than Brady or Mahomes. What about Manning and Montana? Probably not (depending on if Josh gets any Super Bowls and how many). What about Marino, Graham, Unitas, Rodgers, Elway, Young, Favre? So, most likely, Josh (depending on Super Bowls) ends up being ranked in a similar range as Brees (provided he keeps going the way he is and dependent on Super Bowls, of course). Josh is a very different QB than Brees was, but I don't see a huge gap in their overall numbers or play/rank in any significant way to say that McD has an advantage at QB (over their careers). Now, I'm not saying that McDermott IS the better coach (a Super Bowl win is a Super Bowl win---and McD doesn't have one yet), I'm just saying that I don't think it's as obvious as most people think that Payton is clearly the superior coach.

Watch out Tyler, Ray may be coming for your job. Better kick well in the playoffs. 😊

Just for fun... 2014 NFL Draft Wide Receivers Selected in the FirstTwo Rounds Pick Player Years Yards TDs Drafting Team #4 Sammy Watkins 9 5,384 34 Bills #7 Mike Evans 11 12,684 105 Bucs #12 Odell Beckham 10 7,987 59 Giants #20 Brandin Cooks 11 9,532 60 Saints #28 Kelvin Benjamin 4 3,021 20 Panthers #39 Marqise Lee 5 2,184 8 Jaquars #42 Jordan Matthews 10 3,288 22 Eagles #45 Paul Richardson 6 1,809 12 Seahawks #53 Davante Adams 11 11,844 103 Packers #56 Cody Latimer 6 935 6 Broncos #61 Allen Robinson 11 7,058 43 Jaguars #63 Jarvis Landry 9 7,870 38 Dolphins So, despite being the #1 WR off the board, Sammy ended with the 7th best stats of the class---between Jordan Matthews and Jarvis Landry. Not quite the career anyone hoped for. He ended up averaging 598 yards and 3.7 TDs per season. But, he did play really well in the playoffs for Kansas City in the 2019 and 2020 seasons, averaging 93 yards per game across 5 playoff games and earning a SB ring, so you gotta give him that.