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I think he's talking about the Jets' tackle.

Reminds me of the old joke about the Beatles ... McCartney was the brains, Lennon the soul, Harrison the heart of the band ... and Ringo? He was the drummer.

Teat one, indeed.?

Does that put Teller on the wrong side of the bubble again?

I'm thinking he meant the special Kelso helmet.

Sal Maiorana and the D&C cats have been quite negative about Allen since the middle of last week. Leo Roth and Fairburn and Sal think the offense has been pretty poor since the OL started going down and need to start showing a bit more.

I think the OP is a Russian troll bot trying to see what issues matter to upstate New Yorkers and weave that into their next electoral attack. Just sayin' ....

If you remember, Old Timer, we were trading our bust for theirs - but most everyone on this board was pretty upbeat about Hughes' potential at the time. Especially because he was backing up a couple stars on the Colts D-line. I'm not fully sold on Yeldon but his prowess is supposed to be catching and protecting on 3rd down so he still has a shot.

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That may be the plan for Josh but I'm not sure if Peyton followed that process in his rookie year from the games I saw. In early games against Buffalo, he threw it a lot but I remember Bruce being frustrated because Manning would get rid of the ball a lot quicker than other quarterbacks. I'm not sure he was a long ball thrower at the time, especially against the Bills.

Very cool story from a bit player during the Super Bowl years. https://theathletic.com/443869/2018/07/24/catching-up-with-vernon-turner-as-his-life-story-gets-the-hollywood-treatment/

I, too, go there first to do a quick scan of Twitter comments before linking to TBD. Plus, Steve let me pen a couple articles for that site a dozen years ago so I'll always have a soft spot for Bills Daily. I will miss Steve's draft review and game analysis. I hope he stays connected somehow.

But the difference in including him in a trade versus just keeping him is we lose 6-7 million of the cap. It's not happening. These players are not tinker toys.

I would have thought so too, Doc, except that the one study cited in the 538 article above showed no correlation between those test results and NFL performance, except for tight end and cornerback - where the correlation was negative.

According to the article I referenced from 538 earlier, at least half of the leaked scores are fake. I'm not sure whether teams do so in an effort to get players to drop or agents do so to get players to rise but the bottom line is don't trust those numbers. And also because there is no correlation to success on the football field except for a negative one with tight ends and defensive backs.

The Wonderlic remains a tool that garners more notoriety than it deserves since it doesn't really show a correlation between score and success. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-a-multiple-choice-test-became-a-fixture-of-the-nfl-draft/ When it comes to football, is the test a demonstrably reasonable measure of job performance? Because official NFL Wonderlic scores aren’t publicly available, it’s difficult to know for sure, but that hasn’t stopped researchers from attempting to find out. Brian D. Lyons, Brian J. Hoffman, and John W. Michel 8 co-authored a 2009 study examining the reported 9 Wonderlic scores of 762 NFL players from three draft classes. They found that there was little correlation between Wonderlic scores and on-field performance, except for two positions: Tight ends and defensive backs with low scores actually played better than those with high scores. The researchers surmised that this “could be explained by the notion that performance for these positions entails more of an emphasis on physical ability and instinct” than general mental ability.

Great job, Gunner! You and Blokes and Bandit are the three amigos of prospect analysis on TBD. Given that you think Rosen seems the only sure fire franchise guy, what's your opinion on the other 6 or 7 when it comes to potential fits with the Bills' projected style of offense. Or is that too nebulous at the moment?

Bandit, you're one of the handful of posters whose opinion on college players I listen to. However, whether it's the contextualized qb data or any other data set with analysis of accuracy and ability to progress through reads, Allen shows poorly. Maybe his tools translate well to the pro game. But the one actual complete game I saw of him this year where he played against a poor Oregon defense, he was pretty bad. Maybe when surrounded by other nfl players, he'll find his way, but damn, that seems a long way off for someone with his faults. Sitting behind someone like Eli or Ben for a couple years is his best bet. I don't want him to have to learn behind our kiddie corps of QBs.

That article was before last season. I'd have no problem taking him at 12. He won't last till 22. He may need a year of grooming but his upside may be higher than anyone else's in this draft.

Whoa! Love it.

The correlation to winning and turnovers is actually around 78%. http://www.footballperspective.com/winning-the-turnover-battle/

There's a decent chance we'll be picking top 10 next year with a rookie QB. No way I trade that away instead of our 2nd this year.

Gunner, Kirby and Bandit - I think there may be one or two more among the TBD regulars that really put the time in to the draft process. Thanks for this! Can't wait to see the others also. While I am a Mayfield fan - his will to win and his accuracy remind me of Rivers but he also has a stronger arm and more mobility - I'd be fully on board with Rosen as well. With this class being deep for RB and DT as well, Gunner, who do you think might slot into those positions when the Bills pick?

I first saw this thread and saw, "trade up for bust" . .. yah, could happen.

You say commiserate, I say commensurate. You say tomato, I say tomahto.