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That may be the plan for Josh but I'm not sure if Peyton followed that process in his rookie year from the games I saw. In early games against Buffalo, he threw it a lot but I remember Bruce being frustrated because Manning would get rid of the ball a lot quicker than other quarterbacks. I'm not sure he was a long ball thrower at the time, especially against the Bills.

Very cool story from a bit player during the Super Bowl years. https://theathletic.com/443869/2018/07/24/catching-up-with-vernon-turner-as-his-life-story-gets-the-hollywood-treatment/

I, too, go there first to do a quick scan of Twitter comments before linking to TBD. Plus, Steve let me pen a couple articles for that site a dozen years ago so I'll always have a soft spot for Bills Daily. I will miss Steve's draft review and game analysis. I hope he stays connected somehow.

But the difference in including him in a trade versus just keeping him is we lose 6-7 million of the cap. It's not happening. These players are not tinker toys.

I would have thought so too, Doc, except that the one study cited in the 538 article above showed no correlation between those test results and NFL performance, except for tight end and cornerback - where the correlation was negative.

According to the article I referenced from 538 earlier, at least half of the leaked scores are fake. I'm not sure whether teams do so in an effort to get players to drop or agents do so to get players to rise but the bottom line is don't trust those numbers. And also because there is no correlation to success on the football field except for a negative one with tight ends and defensive backs.

The Wonderlic remains a tool that garners more notoriety than it deserves since it doesn't really show a correlation between score and success. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-a-multiple-choice-test-became-a-fixture-of-the-nfl-draft/ When it comes to football, is the test a demonstrably reasonable measure of job performance? Because official NFL Wonderlic scores aren’t publicly available, it’s difficult to know for sure, but that hasn’t stopped researchers from attempting to find out. Brian D. Lyons, Brian J. Hoffman, and John W. Michel 8 co-authored a 2009 study examining the reported 9 Wonderlic scores of 762 NFL players from three draft classes. They found that there was little correlation between Wonderlic scores and on-field performance, except for two positions: Tight ends and defensive backs with low scores actually played better than those with high scores. The researchers surmised that this “could be explained by the notion that performance for these positions entails more of an emphasis on physical ability and instinct” than general mental ability.

Great job, Gunner! You and Blokes and Bandit are the three amigos of prospect analysis on TBD. Given that you think Rosen seems the only sure fire franchise guy, what's your opinion on the other 6 or 7 when it comes to potential fits with the Bills' projected style of offense. Or is that too nebulous at the moment?

Bandit, you're one of the handful of posters whose opinion on college players I listen to. However, whether it's the contextualized qb data or any other data set with analysis of accuracy and ability to progress through reads, Allen shows poorly. Maybe his tools translate well to the pro game. But the one actual complete game I saw of him this year where he played against a poor Oregon defense, he was pretty bad. Maybe when surrounded by other nfl players, he'll find his way, but damn, that seems a long way off for someone with his faults. Sitting behind someone like Eli or Ben for a couple years is his best bet. I don't want him to have to learn behind our kiddie corps of QBs.

That article was before last season. I'd have no problem taking him at 12. He won't last till 22. He may need a year of grooming but his upside may be higher than anyone else's in this draft.

Whoa! Love it.

The correlation to winning and turnovers is actually around 78%. http://www.footballperspective.com/winning-the-turnover-battle/

There's a decent chance we'll be picking top 10 next year with a rookie QB. No way I trade that away instead of our 2nd this year.

Gunner, Kirby and Bandit - I think there may be one or two more among the TBD regulars that really put the time in to the draft process. Thanks for this! Can't wait to see the others also. While I am a Mayfield fan - his will to win and his accuracy remind me of Rivers but he also has a stronger arm and more mobility - I'd be fully on board with Rosen as well. With this class being deep for RB and DT as well, Gunner, who do you think might slot into those positions when the Bills pick?

I first saw this thread and saw, "trade up for bust" . .. yah, could happen.

You say commiserate, I say commensurate. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

I think there's a reasonable argument to be made against the extension the team offered Wood. We had just signed Groy, who had performed well in Wood's absence. Even at the time, there were a lot of us who felt the guarantee to Wood was perplexing at best and mind numbing at worst.

I wonder if the old D&C discussion pages are archived somewhere ... thank you, Scott for giving us a home.

Rumor has it he will be the highest paid qb in the league when he signs his contract. Even pseudo-franchise qbs getting to free agency will break the bank. And i don't think he's worth that much.

We seem to be getting older and slower and less talented. Other than that,everything's fine.

Ya, I just remember the two games I watched Miami last year where he'd fold at the first sign of pressure once he'd been hit a couple times. That's not something you can teach. I remember thinking he was the worst player on the field against FSU.

My anger at the front office is that trading Watkins before the year just isn't smart. What's the best scenario with keeping Watkins? The new lineup catches fire, Tyrod does pretty well with a talented group of receivers, maybe we make the playoffs. Even if we missed the playoffs and decide to go all in on a new QB, wouldn't you want him to have a great receiver? We get a 2nd round pick for Watkins now. We'd probably get a 3rd round comp pick next year if we lost him and didn't want to tag him. This, to me, is arrogance in believing that a very good QB can win without great receivers. Not everyone is Tom Brady elite.

Lee Evans couldn't hold Sammy's jock. Let the year play out, haters.

In abilities. In deed.

Whether one has advanced degrees in math and science shouldn't preclude the idea that individuals don't tighten up or lose confidence after a succession of bad plays. Rather than use mathematics or hard science as a proof of momentum's existence, the psychology of pressure and (waxing or waning confidence) could explain a lot. As could better coaching and more experience in the big game.