Lothar

I'm of the belief you take the best QB you can find unless you want a project QB. But we already have our project QB in Cardale. Either you go for the gusto in Round 1 (maybe with a trade down) or forget about QB this year. Does Peterman or Dobbs or heck, even Kelly, offer that much more potential than Jones? I don't think so. I'm not a fan of getting another project QB unless it's as a free agent.

I believe he thinks Watson would flop in the NFL based on his tangible traits, Mahomes has some upside but probably isn't capable of changing his propensity to run, Kizer has great footwork and bad accuracy.The only one he thinks has the necessary footwork and accuracy required to be a top 10 pick is Trubisky.

Ah yes, the best left handed quarterback whose last name begins with Z ... ever.

That's not how it works. I'm pretty sure it's use it or lose it.

I've been thinking the only 2 QBs worth taking in this draft are Watson and Mahomes. And even moreso after reading Bandit's and Bloke's and a couple of the other hard-core draftnicks' reviews. I think if McD and Whaley feel either could be their long term answer, then pull the trigger whether it's at 10 or a small trade down (2-5 slots). I don't want Howard because a top 10 pick needs performance and passion. The fact that this draft class is strong with safety and wide receiver makes me feel ok about picking those in subsequent rounds as well.

I think T.O. retired already but you never know ...

That's some good analysis there. A little scattershot but I appreciate the effort you took to compile this. I'm not sold on Tyrod after this past year but I think we'll find out what we have in him if folks stay healthy and the defense starts turning things around.

Also, if you think you've found your potential franchise guy in 2018 or 2019, TT's contract wouldn't be hard to trade in 3 years. And at ~16 mi! per at that point, he would have been a reasonable bridge starter while we upgraded the defense. The shame would be not making any playoffs while we have Shady and a decent OL for running the ball.

This is my new most favoritest thread. I got dibs on the name, "Particle Sun", for my next death metal / funk jazz / shoegaze alt-rock trio.

Jeezus,dude. Give it a rest or take it to the politics board. Shall I start a rant about how the two most hated sports figures in Buffalo are fans of that no-nothing,200 word vocabulary spouting, misogynistic alt-right whack job about to lead the free world? No. No I won't. (See what I did there?)

Williams inactive. I think this is the one game we can't afford to miss him.

I'm not going to argue with your opinion about his opinion. But taking the rest of what he said is important. It is not a sham argument. You may disagree with it. But it is worth discussion, which is what I believe his intent was. "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick said of his decision not to stand, the start of a protest that the quarterback said yesterday will continue until "there's significant change, and I feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent and this country is representing people the way that it's supposed to, I'll stand." And that will be it for my non-football discussion on this board.

I looked at those stats and noted a disproportionate number of blacks being shot. But that's a red herring in this argument anyway. Here's a much more thorough graphical comparison within the judicial system - proof that the issue is endemic to the way our society treats minorities. Anyone can opine and hate on someone for espousing views different from their own but to say his stance is stupid because he's an "uninformed" or "vegan" is far more childish in my view. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/08/racial_disparities_in_the_criminal_justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html Edited by Lothar, Today, 01:47 PM.

Well said, Kirby. Again, I have a hard time with folks telling him how to think. I respect a fan's right to boo him. But he's voicing his opinion about the way our country treats African Americans. You may disagree - but I have non-partisan stats that show why he's correct and don't just rely on personal anecdotes from black friends. If folks want to discuss the issue in a civil manner, go to the "politics thread" on the Sabrespace board, not the typical shoutfest we see on threads here.

Pick 6, get it? I'm fully behind Kaep's right to kneel or salute do a jig during the anthem. Just as the fans can boo. But the white privelege revealed on this thread is astounding.

I'm a Taylor fan but looking at running and passing stats this year, I see Gabbert and TT's stats are fairly similar. Obviously, not having Sammy has impacted what used to be a TT strength with yards per attempt. But other than the turnover differential, the numbers are not far apart. Almost identical pass and rush yards per game. That said, I'm OK with the numbers as long as the Bills are winning. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/playersort/nfl/year-2016-season-regular-category-passing

Bills cancelled visit according to his fiance's twitter account.

Apparently they cancelled his visit: https://twitter.com/NickVeronica/status/784084540071575552/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

INsightful.

There was a quote from one of the Jets reporters after the game that Fitz felt there was very little motion before the snap by the defense unlike a normal Ryan scheme. She hinted that this might be twin Rob's influence. With all this worry about offense, the attention on D has taken a back seat. But another performance like Thursday and the transformation of this defense from world class to high school level would be complete.

Ugh, I can think of about 50 players I'd rather have.

Carson Wentz : Eagles Jared Goff : Rams Ezekiel Elliot : Dolphins Laquon Treadwell : Giants Paxton Lynch : Broncos Bills Pick (bonus) : Shaq Lawson

I think Hogan is the best fit for the Bills offense outside the first rounders. He's the smartest QB coming out, good field vision, very good accuracy, decent arm, solid for 4 years. I liken him more to Rivers than Fitzpatrick. One thing is, of all the QBs in the PAC 12, he's the only one that consistently gave Oregon fits. I'm not sold on the shiny toys that have a gun for an arm or run a 4.5 forty. I want a qb who can read a defense, has escapability and is accurate. I also think he doesn't make it out of the 3rd round.

I'm fairly certain Hogan will get taken before Jones.