colin

read the rest of the posts in response to yours, you lil cranky pants! anyone we add to our OL will be paid more than what we have because we have just about the lowest paid OL in the NFL. same thing for CBs too! i'll have you know that it is very possible we sign a cb who is not as good as trey white for more than we are paying trey white, and it could be a good move. isn't that crazy!? is your rule to look at what the team pays for current players rather than what the average price or going rates are for the players a team signs? in reference to your homework project, consider position vs speed vs velocity, and shine up an apple and stand straight!

well, it's not hard to figure out but i can help! you see, the bills have rookie contract and horrible players on OL, so they are going to be cheap. this new guy is a free agent, which means he is not obligated to sign with any one particular team, which means he will have the choice of playing for whomever, putting upwards pressure on his price.

i like williams and i think the espn projection of his contract is likely accurate. some of you guys are seriously out of touch with what football players get paid and what it costs to sign them in FA.

he's an average to below average starting interior NFL lineman who is being given a below average starting NFL interior lineman contract. If he suits the system he's an OK starter, solid back up, if he doesn't then he's a bad signing. I get people not thinking he's a good or great player, but i really don't understand the comments on his contract. What do you people think NFL Olinemen make?

given the roots of our OC, i see this guy's best shot as being a shifty YAC hard to bring down underneath guy, like nearly every WR for the PATS. that (assuming dude can be it) and a useful TE would be huge to get allen to do some pre snap read quick throw damage a la brady. the difference w allen is on play action or more aggressive plays he can extend, run, or drop a dime to anyone from anywhere. D's know that now and try to muddle him up and take away the big play, but just making the D back off isn't enough (especially when can't run well), we also have to make some money on the quick and under neath stuff.

assuming he would cost a pick we could part with (i dunno, a 3rd this year?) id be all over it. we can give him a giant balloon first year, matching our cap room, and when he falls off in 3 years or so it's not an albatross. imagine how our own young bama WR would do with julio on the other side! allen would be lacing deep bombs all over the joint, would be great.

the one thing i've learned from watching the pats spank us is that their Oline all works well together as a unit. they have had a few great ones, but they never really had wall to wall top talent types. they have solid athletes who are smart and mean and have a perfect temperament for oline. that's what i want here. i don't think this guy has that (not that i really know tbh), so meh.

clay travis has it right, the math is simply are the talents/positives enough to outweigh the negatives. no pro football team makes an actual moral decision in evaluating a player. the odd coach or owner might have their own pet cause they want to shine their good guy badge on, but football is a tough violent game and there aren't many people who can play it at the highest level, and they have a tendency to be tough violent types. the outrage culture today will prolly push guys like this further down than it used too, the josh allen thing is a good example of how silly it has gotten.

facts dude. also, woods was distinctly a number 2 when he left us, and he got 8mm per year a few years ago, so his contract today would be closer to 10mm a year. i'd say t williams gets 10-13mm per year (depending on guaranteed money, which is more important IMO) wherever he goes. i can't say i wouldn't pay that for him. ideally i want us to trade a pick for julio or someone like that, but we need to get new starters at WR/TE, and at least 2 OL positions, and that means free agency more than the draft to be honest.

that non call was the worst/most obvious, but there were bad bad non calls day

that Va Tech rookie to RG, dawkins to LG, 2 FA starters, and a highish drafted rookie and we have our sick O Line. draft BPA, sign a TE and one big time WR (trade a future pick for Julio maybe?) and we win the offseason.

they were decent, but that was 3 really good players and a couple meh players, and they'd get overwhelmed from time to time. I'm all for talent, but i want solid play by the unit all around. THAT, we haven't had since like the 90s

all players and coaches have the potential to make each other better on a good unit, as has been said in this thread. play makers and a good qb make the d back off, running game means the LBs will bite on play action and stuff the box, etc. the things that stood out to me this weekend: Rest: the bye teams all won, and were all fresh. They all basically lined up and smashed the other team on O, controlling the game and running the ball. if NO was at philly who was fresh i think they run the ball on them (being home helps too obv) and win. Oline as a unit: having a top single OL (like the colts, or the browns when thomas was there) is great, but the rams, KC, and especially NE play great OL as a unit. they all move around and get on their blocks so effectively. NE makes me sick, but they really are just a better team than most. They have lil WRs and RBs running behind a convoy of maulers all the time. that wears out the D and sets up broken tackles and turns 3 yard plays into 7 yard plays, which is basically all NE does. we need some play makers, but i think foster and JA are so dynamic that we don't need them as much as we need a solid well coached tackle to tackle Oline, which would be the first we've had in a long long time.

I don't see our front office going through an entire draft without some trades. they love trades!

Josh allen with his athletic gifts would destroy the bama D. he had bad games vs sophisticated nfl D's who come with a strong pass rush while his WRs drop good passes. with what the basic scheme of clemson did vs bama, josh allen on the bills would have at least 10 touch downs (running and passing). he got 5 vs a pro team in his last game, so it's not much of a stretch. on the other side, you'd see massive differences with kicking and coverage. pressured ncaa punters would shank punts and get them blocked, nfl special teamers would beat the snot out of the 3rd string guys they have covering kicks and punts in college. that part of the game would be huge. the bills would score and then run down and force a fumble at least a couple of times, which would deflate the bama side even more. on D the wrs for bama would struggle to get seperation, and tua would not once be able to read the coverage. dabol knows their scheme well enough to have lots of robber type underneath ints happen. it would be more ints and fumbles than completions.

i wanted him then, and im a big fan now.

FavrElway in the making. i should make a list of the naysayers and hunt them down like a message board terminator

this guy is an addict and the caterwauling usual suspects on this board act like Gordon is a baby with no agency or responsibility. Stop excusing this guy. He is straight up a loser, he had the golden goose and he couldn't control himself (in the words of NWA, "he used to have a car, gold, diamond rings, but the cookie cookie crack took all of those things). He either didn't do what he needed to do to get right, which makes him a loser for not trying, or he tried and failed, which by definition makes him a loser. he was given a lot of chances, and he blew them all, how is he not a loser?

Id be happy going out and getting julio jones for WR, and patrick peterson for CB if they are available at not quite our first pick. front loaded contracts to soak up our extra cap during our youth movement. we need to draft some big guys, DE, OG, OT, and TE (unless there is an FA available for those). Foster gives us hope, but i think a big part of it is our OC knows him very well, and Josh Allen doesn't trust his other WRs, so he gets the focus.

7-9 and on the way up!

we lost the last two weeks on a number of bad individual plays and horrible special teams. edmunds did have a shot at a hero tackle that would have cemented the win, but missed. if we hit one of the two missed FGs, covered one or two of the big returns, or cought one or two of the big drops we would have won. Allen clearly cost us with 3 turnovers, but he also literally produced all of our offense, so i think the rest of the team had more room to step up.

so i agree that JA17 has accuracy issues. he's not like alex smith who just can't throw a dime, he just throws bad balls from time to time. that said, how many times has he avoided a sure sack but sprinting away from pass rushers or stiff arming them? he did it at least two times vs the jets (with the sprint out and the stiff arm, and i think about 6). most good qbs make the majority of their completions on easy peasy passes. now allen certainly misses some of them due to running to early or not seeing the guy in time, but as a team we set our qb (any of them) up to fail more than anyone else. i remember a big completion with 20 yards to go a couple times vs the jets. how do we keep doing that? the constant penalties on O and WR drops (combined with how terrible our run game has been) makes me marvel that we are even in games, and that's totally on the back of Josh Allen's ability to just flat out make plays that no one else is doing. one single star WR would change this whole offense, let alone better protection.

we have a break but don't bend D

we have our QB, so we don't need the one guy to change it all, and the chances of us getting that guy with the higher pick are low anyhow. I'd be happy winning out, growing the team and getting our young guys better. we need vets to come in as FA signings, and winning will help that.

two interior OL and a RT would make our Oline solid, which is plenty. We need at least one new TE (two likley), a stud WR, and a large possession WR, as well as RB. the biggest holes on our team are at skill position, followed by OL. we could use a CB and DT as well. the one "good thing" about having a talent level as low as we do, is that adding even OK and average players will make the whole team better. Our special teams shows horrible coaching, but also how low the over all talent level on the team is. could you imagine allen playing with a less worn out shady, karlos, our old LT, richie, woods, as well as percy, rob woods, and sammy watkins like in rex's first year here? we just need to get some talent out there, guys who can get separation and most importantly not drop passes all the time. of course, all of the above blows up if a top flight pass rusher is available at our pick, we take that and work out the rest.