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So just because I liked JP in the past makes my opinion of Trent less credible than yours ? This argument is specious - you are discounting my point of view just because I do not agree with you regarding Trent's abilities ? I, in return, will not label you anything including being a Trent fan-boy. The problem is that you stated your opinion and I did mine - only difference is that I am not attempting to deflect your arguments with meaningless labeling.

Really ? Is that all you have to say in response to the data that is presented to you ? I daresay that your response makes you look like the foolish one. As for your said audience, I was a JP fan but realized that he became a QB who will not be the player we want him to be. Then, being a true Bills fan, started hoping that the brains trust (and I use this term VERY loosely) is correct in handing the reins to Trent. But so far, I have yet to see evidence of their wisdom.

Some of us are not sure TE is the long term answer at the QB position and some are sure he is. It is a difference in opinion. We do know that the FO, for now, thinks he will develop into the QB we need him to be. But I am not sure how you can extend that to the rest of the NFL. I happen to think that they do not have us picking a QB early is because of the reason you stated - it is too early to make the switch. And my opinion is no more or less 'reasonable' than yours.

To who and what ?

Soon he will learn to serve his customers Crown Royal in a Royal Salute bottle.

True but I agree with your earlier statements - saying our OL is acceptable now and going into the season hoping Bell will pan out is a strategy fraught with extreme risk. We need to assume we need help and not hope that we will luck out with Bell as we did with Peters. A feel-good story like Peters' happens very rarely and a mediocre franchise should not enter a season hoping lightning will strike twice in such a short span.

Does anyone but me find these statements baffling ? "we are in pretty good shape" Really ? We are woefully short on the OL both in terms of starters and depth. How on earth can anyone, let alone the HC, think we are anywhere close to "good shape". What is his definition of that term anyway. "we will keep looking in FA" Sounds so passive that it is sickening. How much looking have we done so far and what has stopped us from getting Goff or trading for Waters ?

As time ticks away I am getting less and less hopeful. Unless the hole filling you are referring to is a shovel full of dirt in a truck-sized hole. Back to the OP - I do not agree TE is a top priority right now. As other posters have said, we badly need help on the DL and OL.

One then looks at your avatar and all is forgiven.

Yes, very true. Got a new Blu Ray player last weekend and it played my old DVD just fine. In fact many of these players come with upconversion so if you don't already have an upconverting player, you will see a better picture no matter what video disc you play. P.S. No 'e' in Blu

You don't say !

Much as I would like to have Cutler, I really don't like the idea of throwing our second rounder as well. We have not been very cavalier in signing free agents to plug the holes in our lines, especially the OL. At a minimum, we need the early picks to have half a chance of doing so through the draft. No matter who the QB, it will be tough for him to throw to Evans or TO if he isn't upright.

You mean they are busy with making all the deals to fix the holes and using our large cap in signing premier players ?

We need to merge the two threads about Cutler. Looks like we are going to be re-gurgitating the same pros and cons arguments in this thread

Good that you at least have the humility to accept that you were wrong.

Having an opinion about his ego and about him as a player are two different things. He said he had a better arm - a point which is debatable. But he did not say he was a better QB than Elway. So IMO, that statement of his was quite minor and not really very arrogant. Secondly, he has put up good numbers - a lot better than most of our recent QBs. We now have good receivers also and there is no reason to believe he won't put up similar numbers in Buffalo, given a decent OL. (Note: the OL is a different discussion. With the same OL, I think Cutler will put up better numbers than Edwards). I really want Buffalo to be a player in the Cutler sweepstakes and hope we get him.

Last year, when he wanted to take an extended break some around here were suggesting he work in the off-season with his WRs. A notion many poo-pooed at the time saying he deserved his break. If this marks a change for him, I am all for it.

Just a year ago, several of us (including me) were excited about what he will do in his first full season and boy was it under-whelming. I choose to be un-excited this time around.

I am not sure I agree with that. It seems that his accuracy declines as the season wears on. He was very very accurate in his first year when he took over for the injured JP. He started last season very good (not as gerat as 2007 though) but was quite bad towards the end of last season. And yes, I was watching him throw the ball where it needed to be but not succeeding a fair majority of the time.

Let me get this right - we are all getting on Cutler's case because of his one comment regarding his arm being better than Elway's ? Is that all we have on him ? Over-rated or not, he has put up better numbers than Trent. He is the one who worked his rear last off-season with his WRs. I like that work ethic. And, I don't mind a bit of cockiness if his numbers back him up. Just because his new coaching staff doesn't like him does not mean they should engage in a PR war to down play his value. If you say, he had better weapons, then we have excellent WRs now. I think we will be better off if we have Cutler throwing to Evans and TO than Trent. And if Cassel set the price range for QBs, then I would argue Cutler should be had for a second or third rounder.

Whew ! Thanx. I had my hopes up for a while.

TT really believes we were one good WR away from making the playoffs ?

So what happens when a guy who can produce plays for a guy who can't ?

Why did you start a new thread for this topic ?

Got to be one of the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. Ofcourse, it is only a poor Bills fan who can laugh at his own misery.