WotAGuy

There are not 60,000 season ticket holders if they each hold 2.5 seats. Ipsofatso your analysis is flawed from the start. Let’s look at it with a different Z value: Einstein = not smart.

The 25% represents those that didn’t accept the first offer. I wonder if that does or does not include people like @Mr Info, who declined to purchase the day of his presentation but ended up buying some time after? Also, with the survey, I would think the Bills had an idea what the decline rate would be, since the sharp increase in cost would scare off a fair number of non-corporate and small corporate STHs for the new clubs. Like Kirby alluded to, it could be the Bills have new corporate clients lined up to take the declined seats. I could see some companies thinking the new stadium and upgraded amenities make it more attractive to bring in new clients, as opposed to your undertakers, etc. So, to take the 25% and run with it like it’s a sign of failure (looking at you @Einstein) may be missing the mark.

Very much so. When I joined in 2004, SDS told me very specifically “THERE WILL BE NO MATH”.

Long-winded answer with math equations incoming in 3, 2, 1…..

And gouging the taxpayers who paid to have the stadium built in 1973 by doubling the ticket price. Einstein probably has an equation to prove this is an affront to Bills fans everywhere. If the tickets were even sold to Bills fans. Outrageous I tell ya!

Tell him to relocate to the 300s so he can afford his new stadium seat location.

From what little information I can gather, the least expensive seats in the upper levels are going to be covered. The uncovered seats are the fairly expensive lower bowl seats in the bottom half of those sections. The people claiming they aren’t going to go from a present 100-level seat to a club seat in the new stadium may find the view and overhead coverage is pretty attractive for a cheaper seat up top.

Mafia drops down from the ceiling and crashes through a flaming table….while eating a chicken wing. “Howdy folks, and welcome to the Bills 7th round selection!”

Reminds me of this South Park classic

I think I remember that @Mr Info mentioned a 20-some page agreement that he was having his lawyer review, but I may be mistaken.

I’ve been reading the same media you have and I think a lot of the problem is people fearing they will lose their seats, due to huge price increases and losing their specific spot they have been in for decades, often with close friends nearby. The latter part really is too bad, but it is the nature of having to reseat everyone in a different stadium. I also think people are fearing the timeshare type pressure sales job they may get. These are all reasonable concerns in my opinion. But I can see why the Bills are doing it the way they are with respect to limiting the options people have to buy seats during their presentation. The current stadium has a lot, in fact is mostly, season ticket holders. The Bills can’t be offering a menu of different price levels while still maintaining an inventory for the rest of the season ticket holders. Many STHs have expressed concern they will lose their seats to people who turn down club seats for a lower-level option. The Bills are working it so that doesn’t happen. Like so many things, people fear the unknown. They also fear someone having control over them. Both of these fears are at work presently. People also feel their personal STH seniority should carry more weight than it appears it will in the PSL process. So that is creating some anger and angst too. We all believe we are more important than we really are. That creates a lot of the anger and anxiety from what I’m reading on Facebook in particular. Patience and acceptance go a long way in these situations. Most people struggle with those qualities.

OK, I see what you are talking about and see what you mean. However, unless you have been through the process and bought a PSL from the Bills, aren’t you projecting a lot of negative assumptions on that process? There really is no basis for what you are supposing is going to happen, other than you know some people who didn’t do their due diligence when they bought PSLs from another team. If you’ve ever bought a house, did you read and understand the mountain of paperwork you signed your name to a dozen or more times? I just bought a car and the papers I needed to sign were going by like a printing press. It was ridiculous. However, that’s the way a lot of high-value transactions are done, and it’s up to the consumer to know what they are getting into. I don’t feel that these entities are trying to obfuscate the consumer; I think they are trying to protect themselves because they are selling thousands of their products, and of course they hold the advantage because they have something the consumers want. If I’m spending thousands on a PSL and don’t understand the contract, I’m gonna spend a few hundred to have a lawyer vet it for me.

Chances are we’ll see diddly.

Can you identify what information is being withheld about the transaction? I understand some customers are sharing information about the pricing they have been given. So that info is out there. Those are the only transactions that have taken place so far to my knowledge. Now if you are referring to the PSL costs for other seating areas, the Bills have said those have not been determined yet, so there’s no information to withhold that I can see. If the PSL cost for other areas will be lowered if they sell a lot of the high-end PSLs, as has been surmised, then everyone should be hoping they sell a lot of those MFers.

Is this your interpretation of some information you came across, or do you have a source for this? I mean, how can you run a business telling your employees something like that?

Well, it’s not surprising he gave away the farm - he was receiving a lot of manual stimulation that warped his thinking.

That’s a fresh perspective. You should meet up with Einstein, I think you two would hit it off.

Depends…..does this happen in a Taco Bell?

Happy Easter! Happy Easter Einstein!

Hey, if you’re not part of the solution you you’re part of the problem. You only sell to Bills fans?

So….you usually sell most of your tickets and are wondering why there aren’t many STH around you? Think about that for a minute and get back to us. 😝 There is definitely a sunk cost, but people can bail on them if need be. But don’t PSLs also have diminishing returns? They have a fixed lifespan, so as the years go by, wouldn’t you expect the value to decrease as their usable life decreases? Also, the fortunes of the team will probably play a big role in the market value of PSLs; if the team goes on a championship run, wouldn’t you expect the value to be affected positively by that?

Weak. You’re running on fumes Einstein. I expected better from you.

And as we have read from @Mr Info some PSL purchasers are not NYS residents and are not taxpayers. Also, it’s not the most well-written or current article on the topic, but it is noteworthy that this construction project is benefitting the local job market and economy. Pegula isn’t the only one seeing benefits of the taxpayers’ “investment”. https://ublawsportsforum.com/2022/11/18/bills-stadium-project-labor-agreement-burden-or-benefit/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1-6aCTpcXY7ZIWFvnDpXYrcb2EkdKdDuJMxWOeRFRWd0YVkevmFiUZF4k_aem_ATbY3oelUT8FPLOSahB9uONzBhaKuEnCFL4StN6zgA_lyQWrIO9WASey-kknWGKD4z0

How are the Bills gouging the taxpayers? Taxpayers have no obligation or need to purchase a PSL. It’s a voluntary choice to pay for entertainment. The only taxpayers being offered the opportunity to purchase PSLs are apparently buying them up at a fairly high rate. And that’s just a very small percentage of the relatively few taxpayers that will have an opportunity to purchase a PSL. PSLs are only being offered to current customers. And the large percentage of those customers haven’t even been told what their PSL will cost, so how can it be “gouging”? Why do you conflate “gouging the taxpayers” with the Bills offering existing customers to remain customers at a similar or better amenity level in an entirely new and improved venue? In fact, many of the Bills’ existing customers who will be offered PSLs aren’t even NYS taxpayers, being from Canada and other states. With regard to your item 2 above, I think it shows growth and maturity on your part to concur that PSLs are a fee, just as Ticketmaster charges a fee. We are finding common ground.