Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Not much detail yet, but they worked out a deal https://buffalonews.com/news/local/deal-reached-on-220-billion-new-york-budget-here-are-the-key-items/article_7931e454-b6a9-11ec-89d0-cfaa5717d281.html#tracking-source=home-top-story Thought this was thread worthy on it'sown as opposed to merging with ironclad deal....

But he hasn't done anything, so to label him a potential breakout star is based without any evidence. After the 2020 season if you labeled Davis a breakout star, would have got little argument as he showed potential. It seems team will always favor and keep the newest toy over an older one. Hodgins didn't show much as a rookie, they saw him for a year, so lets see what the new guy can do. If the Bills draft another WR late this year, 5th round or later and they decide to cut him in September and keep Stevenson, to me that would mean something. To me speed is over rated for a couple reasons. How few deep passes are actually completed, there's just too much that can go wrong on a pass thrown 30 to 40 + yards, over thrown, under thrown, pass takes receiver out of bounds, wind, momentum going wrong way, etc. All these things can happen on short passes to, but the impact is higher on longer passes. Read a stat that most QB's average less than 10% long passes to begin with and the ones who throw long the most works out to about 4 to 5 passes a game. About a year ago I compared John Brown's rookie time against Davis rookie time on the 40 yard dash. Basically at 40 yards Brown would be about 5 feet ahead of Davis, but Davis is bigger and makes up some of that with a larger catch radius. When you factor in how many long passes are off the mark, 5 feet doesn't help that much. Yeah speed can kill the defense, but only if it actually is completed which isn't very often. IMO the most important traits for a WR in order are; hands, moves, size, then speed and wouldn't argue with anyone who puts size ahead of moves. For the reasons above speed is nice, but other things matter more to me. Can it happen sure, but think there's a better chance he doesn't even make the roster. Assuming they draft a WR fairly high, that puts 5 guys ahead of Stevenson, he'll have to beat out Kumerow just to be active and I'd give the edge to Kumerow.

OK, saw that thread a few times, saw a name in the post title (currently is set to Logic) now that I think about it yesterday think it was listed MajBobby. I just always assumed this was Logic's mock draft and there was a thread yesterday with MajBobby's mock and so on. Guess I never connected the dots so to speak. This does address the concerns I have with most mocks. Now just need to get the folks at ESN, PFW, SI, etc. to all get together and do the same! Thanks!

Where is "Our Mock Draft" On TBD?? How many people are picking? Or are you referring to the different posts from different people all with their own mock? To me that's just as useless as I'm sure very few have the first 24 picks all going the same. So who knows who'd really be there available at #25?

The issue I have with all these mocks both by posters here and the "professionals" is it's one person, or one computer doing the picking based on their view of the order the picks should go in. Would like to see 32 of these guys get together and start picking. Then let see then if any ones board comes close to the order they are actually picked in. I've seen a few mocks done by maybe 2 or 3 people together, but never more than that. There's a couple of threads about the Bills moving up to some spot to pick someone, again based on one persons mock that the player would even still be available at that spot.

First off what NFL player doesn't have unbelievable college tap? Factor in was against ACC competition doesn't help his cause. What specific evidence do you have to show the coaching staff likes him, other than he's still on the roster. Every year there are rookies who hardly play for whatever reason, bu showed just a little glimpse of hope, and hoping they take the big step the next year. Some do, but many don't. Certainly havine a QB like Allen can make any WR look good. Don't think anyone is ready to write him off, but when you title a thread with "breakout star" on a player who has shown nothing and state we don't need a WR based on this is just laughable. And not at all surprising that you have 7 pages of responses telling you that you're crazy. You could be right, there certainly are players drafted low that become stars, Diggs himself was one of them, but the odds aren't in your favor. All you have is wishful thinking at this point.

Agree, Thought Marrone was also kind of forced on him too?? My take is he wasn't forceful enough to tell RB and the Pegulas, no, if you want Rex, then I'm done. Seemed like he was too easy going of a guy. Kind of had an attitude of OK, guess I'll have to figure out how to make this work, instead of saying no! But hard to say I quit when only 32 of these jobs exist.

Spotrac still doesn't have T Jones listed yet so could be awhile!! LOL Have to say, kind of shocked that Ryan Bates hit this year is only $3.5 mil, about $1 mil over the tender. Bears didn't make it very hard to match.

Yes figured there was discussion in the works. IMO outcome was either he's sign a deal the Bills could live with (which is what happened) or if he was asking for Adams/Hill and higher money, then a good chance they could have traded him. If he was sounding like I need to be paid NOW, then could have seen a trade in next two weeks. If he wanted a mega deal but sounded like he was OK to play out this season, then would have kept him around and either see if by next year the market changes a little and are able to sign him or traded him next off season and draft a WR likely in 1st round this year. Has there been any numbers posted on salary cap affect or contract breakdown for up coming years? All I've read is a decrease in cap this year which is kind of a given.

Were the Texans even around back in 2000?

I don't know, looking at the list the only ones you could argue that maybe should be in front of him is Tomlin and Carroll, but more based on lifetime achievement, not on what they've done lately. Hell Stefanski is ranked #13, putting McD 8 slots ahead looks OK to me.

Tend to agree. I think he's safe this year unless behind the scenes he's already talking about wanting his deal redone now and is looking for Hill/Adams $$. Then could see a trade in next couple of weeks. If he's OK for now, likely play this year on current deal, but again if he's looking for top $4 he could be gone by around now next year. Also will be telling where they draft WR this year to see what they think. If they were to draft the kid from Bama, think the hand writing is one the wall.

This means nothing. What's he going to say, "Well hopefully he'll be able to keep the leg, but the spleen is going to have to come out!" Ever player is always doing great on everything when you listen to coaches speak

Interesting on the offensive line, there are 8 players likely to be on the opening day roster not counting Ford. Typically they keep nine, so assuming they draft at least one, that likely does mean Ford will go the way of the Edsel. Could see them maybe trying to trade Ford, Moss for something maybe picks? Trading those two would free up around $3.5 mil, cutting them about $2.5 mil. Then cut Matakevich would free up another $2.5 mil. That would give them $5 to $6 mil to work with if they were going to try to work out some trade for Bradberry. None D lineman likely to make roster, could see them drafting another or maybe still sign Zimmer to a vet min deal or both. But agree CB is the one area lacking the most. And punter. Don't follow college that much to know many of the names other than Araiza

Here he's working on getting better at his high hurdling. Why do doctors practice medicine? You know what Iverson thinks about practice

Now I don't remember what I originally stated. Now I'm going to have to go back and find my original post. Next time just strikethrough instead. LOL PS I do agree with you!

Sure but wonder if instead they sign Davis and let Diggs go? But agree either way, they need a top WR. Will admit now that signed Bates and Bottenger, drafting a RB maybe in the 2nd doesn't sound as bad as less holes. Especially true if they sign/trade for a CB before the draft.

I'm talking this season, highly doubt the Bills cut him and eat $12 mil salary. Only way he's gone this year would be if traded. Will they re-sign him long term, not sure if they don't then know the Bills weren't as happy with him as they let on. If they draft a LB high, handwriting may be on the wall. I guess I'm one who doesn't think he's as worthless as many feel, but also do agree that he hasn't lived up to 1st round draft status. So will be interesting to see what they decide to do. Best thing would be not to sign him next year, and let him go out and gauge his worth then potentially sign him at lower numbers.

Sure could happen. Diggs was a 5th rounder, Beasley was undrafted as was Thielan. But odds aren't that great when dealing with a 6th round draft pick. Not saying he can't become great, but don't think you want to count on it. 1st team ACC means very little as well the ACC isn't that great a conference to start with. On top of that if you're going to get drafted at all you better be able to make 1st team ACC. Yes he does have speed, could still easily make the team if if they draft a WR high as he could be the 6th WR, guy they turn to for pure speed. Maybe he spent all off season in weight room and has bulked up. They need to draft someone high, not so much for the 2022 season, but more long term. No guarantee Diggs will be here next season if he decides he wants Hill/Adams type money or even close to it. Also injuries to worry about so could use more high quality depth.

Or we won't. IF he gets traded, then yes will find out what he's worth, but if he doesn't then never know. Is it because the Bills value him highly so never trade him or because no team wanted to give anything more than maybe a 5th rounder so Bills Declined.

Afraid of him and what he may say on the way out. At some point likely soon think it will become too much. Richardson in Carolina at least agreed to sell when they told him to, he did.

It amazes me how majority of the people think he's terrible, and we should trade him, he has value I hear and we're going to maybe get a 2nd rounder for him or more some think! It's just the scheme here doesn't fit him, but he's worth alot!

Likely what would happen is all the representatives from Western NY, as far east as Rochester would get together and agree they will not vote to pass anything including the yearly budget and for a long while anything for downstate. Plus any democrats will get alot of pressure from the Governor and also from Shummer to pass it. Believe the democrats hold the majority so that is also in favor of passing. I'm sure there's things they want downstate that would never pass without support at some level from western NY

Agree on drafting a punter. Likely though whomever it is he may have limited holding experience as read in college most holding is done by redshirt freshman QB. But then if that guy becomes the starter or even backup by 2nd year, sounds like he's no longer holding then, now the new guy takes over. So wonder how a rookie punter will do WRT holding??

Don't think it's only teams with good offense's. I just looked at kicking stats from some of the teams with the worst records last year, Jax, Caroilna, Seattle, Giants. All those kickers averaged about 6 points per game, basically one TD. That can be the difference between winning an losing a game. Better teams like Buffalo the kickers worth even more, about 8 points per game. Now look at punting stats. The difference in net yards between Bojo who everyone is still pining for and Haack is 2.6 yards. Difference between the best net punting average in league and worst (who BTW is Haack) is about 7 yards per game and the worst teams in the league punt an average of 5 times a game. So if you take 7 yards more /punt X 5 punts = 35 yards a game more. 6 points will likely end up being more important than 35 yards There were also only 8 blocked punts and 2 punts returned for TD by all the teams together for the entire season. One of the TD returns was against Bojo so ironically tboth he and HHack gave up one TD. He and Haack had almost identical number of punts inside the 20, fair caught, and downed. Bojo also had 268 return yards against him vs 96 for Haack. Bojo had 4 touchbacks, Haack 7. When you really look at the stats the two of them are very close, and BTW Bojo can't hold. Games are won and lost more on missed FG's than punt returns