Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I think Beane tends to draft based on potential, often taking younger players that will need more time to develop. Some players develop faster others longer and some never or at least not to the level they were drafted at. Think that's the one downside of drafting based on potential, a bigger risk that they don't develop. Players like Allen, Edmunds, Epenesa, Knox, Brown to name a handful all fit that bill and took some time and have become good to decent players. Of all them Allen was the one who developed much faster and better than anyone ever expected.

OK, I was thinking it was him.

Recall a long time ago, back in early 80's Giants were a complete mess and at the owners request, brought in a retired ex GM front office person to help them figure things out. From that they turned things around and became a dominant team over the next 15 to 20 years. Can't recall the name who was brought in??

Didn't the rules change a couple years back that you can interview other teams coaches between week 17 and 18, the final week? If so I'd consider making the change then to take advantage. That's assuming we are out of the playoffs. If that rule isn't true then I'd wait till the end of the season.

Well I kind of hate the entire big 10 or should I say Big 15 or so. Was it McNabb or Vick, I was also thinking it was in Philly

I hate both Ohio St and Michigan, so Saturday in the game was thinking a tie would have been nice as would tend to screw them both. Then I remembered they changed the rules in college, no more ties. Can't recall anymore who it was but do remember the one NFL player, think it was QB was shocked that games could end up in a tie.

Yeah but look at what happened in the Denver game. Watched another game over the weekend, (may have been a college game) team lined up for FG just before ball was snapped, TO called, still snapped the ball kicker kicked it and made FG for practice. Now kicks the 2nd one for real and misses so never know. Granted in this case TO was called way prior.

If you're talking about he FG at the end, believe the clock was already stopped. While I'm not absolving McD of all the issues, posts like this are comical in that people who call themselves fans and post all these facts, didn't even know the clock was stopped. Do wonder about all the holding calls on both offense and defense. Some of them by all players not just the Bills are so obvious, why are they doing it. Is it that the players all know, officials allow holding, but just never sure how far they will allow it. And varies so much from crew to crew and even play to play as to what the allowed level is at the moment.

Good news is they are mostly all young except Morse so should/could be around for awhile. Not sure too if replacing Morse with Bates would be much of a drop either if Morse were to retire or they made big changes in off season and let Morse go for cap reasons.

Yeah I'd agree too, it's not been a season long thing,. more just past few games. Agree too don't understand why they took him out. Admittedly I didn't see what he did on the play prior, maybe he just ran 50 yards downfield??

Did Bass struggle last season? don't recall it? Was thinking could it be the holder?

This is the exact reason why I wouldn't fire McD now. Too often when teams make an in-season fire and bring in an interim guy, the change helps and the team wins. But rarely is that guy ever the real answer. But now you're caught up by the fact this guy did win a few games and team looked better and you hire him, most often ends up being a mistake. For that reason if you're going to fire him, I'd wait till year end to do so, then you have a choice of anyone you want. And as you said it is a desirable spot. At this point too, team needs to do more than get a new HC, need to replace a number of players, both safeties, a CB, sign Jones or another run stopping DT, WR#2 and maybe #3? maybe a center. If you hire Brady, likely much of the coaching staff will stay intact too and less likely to make larger changes that are needed for the long term..

Have to wonder if Torrence sticking his arm up right before the snap is causing Brown to be real close to jumping early. IMO there's been a few plays where was borderline whether they could have called Brown for jumping.

Wonder is that on Brady or is that a McD choice? I'm sure they both talked, but which one initially had the idea?

Agree! The difference being from everything I read, Elam's injury was relatively minor compared to some of these others. White, Doyle, and Hines, all season ending. Milano, Jones, and Harris has a likely small chance of coming back this year.

So do they too have slots for debit cards today?

I'm more surprised that a kicker has 19!

Can recall when I was a little kid my father talking about someday you'll have to pay to watch TV and the coin slot is kind of what I thought he meant. I'm not sure if at the time he was actually talking about cable or something else, but certainly have gone to a pay model.

I wouldn't take less than a 2nd rounder.

Did he recover a fumble no, the rest, I don't know did he? Could argue that he was more instrumental in that they won. And he has a bigger name too. With him having 2 Int's it's hard to claim it's a rigged election is my point when viewing it.

Must have been a slow week for ST. Ramsey did also have two int's so is a legit debate. I'd like to see who came in 2nd, but can't find where they publish that.

Agree, but not anymore pampered than the rest of the population. It has nothing to do with football players, it's just like in general

Reading through this thread, people ripping the coaching staff for not using Hines more last year. The issue was right after the signed Hines, Allen got hurt, then the 1st blizzard happened which canceled a couple of practices. Recall reading article in early December saying that up till that point, Hines and Allen had only been able to practice together like 2 times. That to me was the biggest issue with not using him much as a RB.

Don't see how this changes anything. The way I view it, every potential infraction can be viewed on a scale of 1 to 10. Some refs may call a PI or def holding at a 2 level and another only at a 4 level. Eliminating the ticky tack as you suggest would just move the bar up, but won't really change the subjectivity of calls. Add to that within a year or two of changing the standards, once everyone adjusts the same arguments will prevail, just at a higher level of what's an infraction and what isn't. To me the issue is the players have just got too big and too fast for officials to be able to deal with it consistently.

Would these stats somehow take into account the fact that the defense was often in bad field position to due to a turnover by the offense? Much tougher job for the defense when they are coming on the field on their own 35 yard line because of an int. It is funny how here the first 4 weeks many were praising the defense and McD. Then they have all the injuries, struggling and now it's McD's fault. Yes injuries happen to all teams, but when 3 of your probably 5 best players are out, plus throw in Poyer and Oliver for a game each, not surprising they struggle.