Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Really makes you wonder how much of Ryans entire "stick" was nothing more than a smokescreen as post game he did nothing but put all the prase on the players. He could have easily talked about HIS gameplan, but he didn't. I do wonder though if they will have too much of an emotional let down and be flat next week. But if it all was an act, then that should be preventable.

I'm wondering what they will do for an encore now for next week? I do think it may be hard for them to to get up again?? Did they give their all for this game and won't have anything less? I'm sure if they lose, that will be blamed.

If you're somehow trying to imply that without the running into the kicker penalty every play and every result in the game down to the final kick by the Jets would have been identical, thus the kick would have come much earlier, giving Indy time for one last drive down the field after the Jet's kick; THAT is a huge stretch and totally unrealistic.

Absolutely correct. That's kind of trhe main point of this entire thread. Regardless of whether you feel SD or NY got a good deal in the trade, the Chargers only moved down 4 spots and got many picks in return. A team say selecting 15th in that draft would not have had enough picks to give up to move up that far regardless of how much they were willing to give up. It's no different than when people want to buy something, Sometimes you fall in love with something and pay more than you should. Maybe there's a house in a location you just love, the house should go for $200,000, but you just have to have it. The owner isn't even trying to sell the place. But you come along and offer him $400,000 for it so he takes the deal, You way overpaid, but you don't care. Well that only works IF you have toe $400,000. If all you have is $200,000 and can't offer up anything of value to close the gap, you're out of luck. The one way the Bill's could accomplish trading down further is through multiple trades. They trade the #3 down to maybe #7 picking up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. They they trade the 7th overall down to say #15, and pick up another 2nd and maybe a 6th. So overall the Bills, end up with one 1st rounder @ #15, three #2's including their own, two #3s including their own, and two #6s including their own That would yield six first three round picks. Could it be done, maybe, but likely the Bill's would have to take something less than fair value in one of the trades. Personally would I make those trades if I could even iof only receiving less than what is preceived as fair value for the extra picks, YES! But there still has to be someone offering close the value in return for it to happen.

Of course in hind sight that is easy to say. But the rebuttal to that is the Bills ( or any other team) should have traded up if any team selected a player prior to them who excelled more than expected. There also in no guarantee that with the pick they trade down to doesn't become a bust (See John McCargo). There also is what I'd consider one other major flaw in your arguement. If in the Mike Williams example you give, the Bill's had traded down, but got poor value in return, there is no positive side. Yes they would have been media & message board bashing as you mentioned. But you can't even three or four years later argue, well see Mike Willimas was a bust anyway becasue if you trade down there never was a Mike Williams pick by the Bill's. Who's to know who we really would have picked. Same with Spiller. Who was the guy last year at #9 everyone was hoping the Bill's would have picked, can't recall anymore?? But i they had traded down, you have no idea who they would have selected. So tough to make the argument that even trading down was better as the player they selected wasn't any good anyway.

Agree! Unless we're dealing with Mike Ditka or the 1990 Minn Vikings!

First off, don't yell at me, I'm agreeing with you. I was responding the the post where someone stated, "Look at prior trades, that proves teams don't go by the chart " The chart is a guide, Ideally every trade would work out exactly even points. In reality, most trades will come up either a little bit under or over depending on how much a team wants to trade up or down. Would some team give us all seven picks to move up, I highly doubt it. But if the chart states some team should be giving up say a 1st thru 3rd and next years 4th to trade with Cinny for the #4 overall, not to say we couldn't agree faster to the same trade and they'd be getting the #3 overall. In theory that means we should be getting a better deal than they offered for the #4 overall, but maybe we want the extra picks more and we take the deal. The chart would show we came out behind, but not by a huge amount. Would it be terrible for us notgetting perfect "chart value" but getting the extra picks, no. But likely there'd be a bunch of posts refrerencing the chart and how we got screwed and our front office are jerks. But totally agree with a spot in the top 5, hard to trade down more than a couple of spots, maybe 6 or 7 would be the lowest. Look at how much the Giants gave up to move from #4 to #1 overall for Eli Manning. Would have been very toughthough for a team picking much lowerthan the Giants to be able to offer enough to make the trade.

The chart is a guide, if a tema is desperate to move up, they will over pay as if a team is desperate to move down, they wil ltake les than the cart says they should get. If some team is totally in love wit hsome player at #3, they'd likely pay extra, but does that player exist this year?

It it tough for a team near the top to trade down for the reasons you stated. To trade down from maybe #3 to 5 or 6 can be done for not too many picks but in your example of the Redskins at #10 to move up to #3 would take alot of picks. I've always read the when dealing with the following years picks, you subtract one rounds worth of points away since the team isn't getting the pick right away and the uncertainty of where the pick wil lbe so. Using that value, they'd have to trade #'s 1 thru 3 this year and their second round from next year for the numbers to work out. I do agree with the other poster, there will be someone willing to trade up, wil lthey give us fair value based on draft pick points, maybe not, but it may depend on how desperate we are for extra picks. The Redskins could just offer up rounds 1 thru 3 for this year and hope we bite. We wouldn't be getting fiar value, but if we really want extra picks this year, nothing to stop us from doing it other than 100 posts ripping the Bills for not getting fair value. But the poster is correct, there likely will be people offering us something. Maybe not a good deal though!

Dick LeBeau doesn't appear ot be a real inspiring type of coach, but he get the job done and players seem to like him. As a coordinaotr I think X's and O's are more important than inspiration. Thats' what the head coach is for. BB doesn't exactly seem to be an inspiring type. But he's so good technically he makes other teams look bad.

I was cleaning out some cabinets the other day and found a 1991 newspaper from the day prior to the Superbowl agaisnt the Giants. There was an article about how BP built the Bill's etc. But one surprising statement was in 1985 after the 2-14 seasons, attendance was down etc. rumors of the Bill's moving were up, it mentioned a potential new home of Jacksonville. That was the first I had heard that location. Timing was about right in respect to when Jax did finally get a team. Now ready to lose it.

Regardless of what the new CBA decides, I doubt there will be an 18 game schedule in 2011. Earliest would likely be 2012 starting,

Blitz pickups are always the toughest thing for running backs coming in from college to understand, so no no surprise there.

Actually I think on a bad team it takes longer. If you put him say on the Jets' D-line,if he makes some mistakes the guys around him can hide them Plus as an opposing offesne, you'r more worried about the other guys, there's no one on the Bills D except maybe Williams that you need to worry about. So everyone takes someone one on one. Easy to make a rookie look bad. D linemen seem tto take longer to develop with the exception of a guy whose main job is pass rushing. I recall Bruce Smith having trouble fist few seasons particually against the run.

So until next Friday is there anything preventing Luck from changing his mind and deciding to leave college? Let's assume on Tuesday JH announces he's leaving Stanford, can Luck change his mind? The deadline to declare is the 14th I know. I'm assuming you have to fill out papers ot state you're leaving for the NFL, but owuld imagine you do nothing if staying??

I take the CG statement with a grain of salt. He's somewhat trying to cover up for what's happened the past year with going back and forth and taking a half a year to figure out the 3-4 wasn't working. so now he's trying to sell it a smart way to play. I'm certain they will select players, FA, or draft picks to go in one direction or the other, likely 3-4. Wil lthey sometimes go 4-3, probably, but that's also likely true for every other team too.

I can't believe he'd sign with anyone unless he's promised a shot at he starting position. To do that again could set the team back with a QB competition. I'd be worried about how je'd handy a back up role. I could see him being another BillyJo Holbert who doesn't even study the play book. Not sure how much thought teams even give to back up vrs starters style being in contrast. If you develop a team to be most effective around Fitz strengths, how would it then do with Young in there. Granted switching mid game do to injury etc, could creat a difficult time for defensive game planning. To me this is nothing more than some hack who know's little of anything about Fitz, sucess or lack there of, depending on your view, seeing a team that only won 4 games, has a QB who wasn't a star, and right away stating that's the most likely place for him to go to. If you do a search you may find a dozen other articles predicting other teams he'll sign with.

Actually I think that was one of Kelly's weaknesses, he tried to do too much. I've said it for the past 20 years, in the first SB agaisnt the Giants, if Kelly had given the ball more to Thomas, I'm certain we'd have won that one.

Could day the same thing about Spurrier, how'd that work. Ther were others too. Just because he has "connections" doesn't mean he can coach.

I'm not certain of that. Philly had a better all around team built around the QB. A defense that likely was going to give the offense a shorter field, better receivers and O-line. I think one of Fitz strengths is his ability to make average receivers look good by being able to find the open person. Could Vick have done that as well, kind of doubt that. Defenses could have more game planned to stop Vick from running and may have more easily shut him down. He may have been better, but doubt he would have come close to doing with us what he did in Philly.

Did I miss something? I suppose it would be nice if Mimai fired the coach first!

Now that's the most shocking news. I didn't think anyone would have much good to say about AJ these days. I think he may have on more year to go deep into playoff or both him and Turner will be gone. Sounds like he's the one GM with an ego bigger than most players.

It tells me the Bills don't think Poz is worth that much, so they want ot see where things fall out with new CBA as tha will estabish likely salary for mediocre type players.

Well $20,000 is huge to someone living on welfare. Not sure how you did you math but 20 hours per week X 14 weeks per semester X 2 semesters= 20 X 28 =560 hours. That's around $35 per hour. Even at 52 weeks which they are not putting in 20 hours every week of the year, would still work out to $20 per hour. Not sure what your point even is?? Are you saying that's too much or not enough ? Yes an $80,000 tuition gift for 4 years is alot, but without htese kids the schools wouldn't be making millions, If you've already given him $20,000 a year, what's an extra $1000? Make it $21,000 so he has some walking around money. As someone else posted, when people pay money to watch you do a lab, then you're right, giving these kids free tuition is enough. Until then as long as the schools are making millions, giving the kids some walking around money isn't so bad. If things were more reaosnable, maybe there'd be less cheating.

Yes they are given a huge amount of money in the form of tuition. But it does seem kind of crazy to bring these kids in, many who have no money to their name, give them free tuition, but you want to go home for Christmas, and you can't afford the plane ticket,; Oh well too bad, you're on your own. They have free meals at the training table, but you want to go to the movies on the weekend or to a party, again you're on your own. They are not allowed to work so hard for them even to make money. Well they could sell their game tickets, but not allowed to do that either. Personally I think they should be paid the same hourly wage as anyone on work study gets paid for every hour of practice time they put in. I believe they are limited ot 15 hours per week by NCAA rules, so give them 15 hours of pay for that. Spring practice again, pay them for their time. If you ask most kids, they'd rather not practice, but the coaches require it. The more they practice, the better the team plays, potentially giving the school more money. So pay the kids for their time practicing.