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I've come around on Worthy. I'd be happy with that. Though I'd prefer a more Outside WR, his all time speed and the addition of Samuel has made me more open to it. The OT pick? That's a rough one. I get the value. I just don't think the brass is willing to give up on Spencer Brown after last year. Which to me, this pick would be. It's either that or you're Drafting a Swing Tackle in Round 2. There's too many needs right now to take a Swing Tackle that high. I understand you're playing the Draft as it falls game without moving and that the value for DT didn't fall right. But in reality, if we had stood pat in Round 1 and taken a WR - I don't see a way Beane doesn't make a move up to somewhere between 46 and 55 to make sure he lands one of Tyler Nubin, T'Vondre Sweat, Kris Jenkins, or Javon Bullard.

Really don't like it tbh. I'm really down on Franklin after the Combine and watching stuff besides highlight reels. Sick or not, a lot of the problems that were highlighted at the Combine show up on film. While down field fast, it takes him a while to get there and doesn't come off the line fast. He's a long gainer that has trouble at the line. He also has a lot of tape of himself struggling against non-NFL level CB's. Johnny Wilson is basically a Tight End at the NFL level. Really tall but not very athletic. As Steve Smith put it, "the kid can't chew gum and tie his shoes at the same time". He's like a less athletic Kelvin Benjamin. I'd be very disappointed if we walked out of the Draft with not 1, but 2 WR's I'm down on with the massive amount of WR's available that I like. CB that high too, yick. I'm also not as high on Kinchens as I am on Tyler Nubin or Javon Bullard. I wouldn't hate it if we took him, as I would taking Franklin and Wilson and a CB that high. But I'd prefer Bullard at that point. Just, yeah, not a fan of that Draft.

Outside of Murphy falling to us at 28 and Tez Walker lasting to 128 - in what scenario are you getting a 2nd and a 3rd from GB while maintaining our 1st and 2nd?

Keon Coleman? Are you confusing him with someone else? Contested catch is his whole game. Pretty much needs to be as he doesn't create good separation.

From a trade value standpoint, both our 4th's and one of our 5th's ABSOLUTELY could get us into the 3rd and well into it. It's just a matter of whether you can find someone willing to trade out of Round 3 for extra picks in 4 and possibly 5. 128 & 133 alone are enough for 99. 128, 133, and 144 can get you as high as 86. The Rams could be interested to move 99 for 128 & 133. 99 is their 2nd pick in the 3rd Round. After that pick, they don't pick again until Pick 154 in Round 5. The question is - would we rather have no 3rd's and 2 4th's or 1 3rd and no 4th's? And will we have 2 4th's by Round 3? Good chance we'll have already used one to move up some in Round 1 or Round 2. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

Even if you are correct in that assessment - I'm not sure how that equates to needing a Center when both the front office and McGovern himself feel he's better fit for Center. As I've said, as good as McGovern is at not letting blocks through and holding his ground - he's not good at pushing his man back in running situations. That's perfectly fine for Center, but not great for a Guard. If you think Edwards isn't enough, then you should be pushing for Guard help. Not Center. But Kromer is a big fan of Edwards. He started 24 games at Guard for him in LA when they were together in 2019 and 2020. He started 45 of the 53 games he played before coming here after being injured the year before - including also starting every game at Guard for the Rams and in the Super Bowl the year they won it. He's no inexperienced slouch.

You may be right. But we'll worry about it then. For this year with Groot (who I'm pretty sure the regime sees as less than a concern than you), Von, Epenesa, and Toohill and with money coming in June to address it further if Beane sees it necessary - it'll have been properly addressed for this year. Save for something unlikely happening like Laiatu Latu falling into our laps, there isn't a DE worth taking at 28.

Newton is just as good and some even have him as better than Murphy. Neither one of them should be available at 28. If one is, we'll have to consider it.

Nah, that's not your car. You were the only passenger on a train that didn't and was never going to leave the station.

If we are to address it, which I'm not convinced Beane sees it as big of a need as you after re-signing Epenesa, signing Toohill, and with Von coming off a full year and getting a full offseason removed from the ACL, I see it being addressed just as the Floyd signing last year was. Someone like Jadeveon Clowney, Emmanuel Ogbah, Yannick Ngakoue, Carl Lawson, or Michael Danna (maybe even someone else cut post-Draft) will be looking for a team still when Tre's money comes in. We'll get the best of what's left when musical chairs stops just as we did last year with Leonard Floyd. This really isn't the Draft for Edge Rusher. Especially where we're picking in Rounds 1 and 2.

I'm almost positive they will be. But there's more than 3 QB's who will go in the Top 5-10 and more than 3 team's who need QB's. Need for QB drives up prices and tosses the Trade Chart out the window. For example, when we needed Josh, we paid a 1st and 2 2nd's just to move up 5 spots. That was an overpay. Teams are willing to do that for a QB bc, as Beane put it, if it works and you land a Franchise QB "who gives a sh-t?" And this doesn't even take into account a team needing a WR passing on MHJ and moving from the top 5 to essentially the 2nd Round. You can quote the Trade Chart all you want, as others have said, it's about as likely that this trade would happen as winning the lottery. You'd have to not only meet the chart, but surpass it (and probably by a fair amount) for a team like Arizona to even consider it.

Oh, for sure. There may be a guy or two we sign as Undrafted. I'm just saying that the gathering of local prospects who need a place to display themselves is nowhere near similar to a Top 30 visit.

If Diggs was or is to be moved (which is HIGHLY unlikely) - it would have occured before his 18.5m salary became locked in on 3/17 or after 6/1. We literally cannot take the hit it would cost us before 6/1. We have about 8.5m now and will get another 10 for Tre, but that won't come until after 6/1. We'll need to sign picks, have money for the Practice Squad, money for spots still needing addressing after the Draft, and money for the season. We can't take on 31m. We wouldn't even be able to sign our Draft Picks. We've done the extensions we can do that would save us major cap in Taron and Dion (Douglas couldn't get done and was a re-structure instead). There's no one left to cut that can get us savings. We've done pretty much all of the restructures we can do to save cap. The only way we can come up with money at this point is to do an Oliver re-structure and a Milano re-structure. That wouldn't be REMOTELY enough to even get back to zero, let alone have the money we need for everything else. It is feasibly impossible to move him before 6/1, no matter what you think.

We're signing only budget guys and letting people like Sebastian Joseph-Day, Julian Blackmon, and Austin Johnson leave the building because money's so tight. But, yeah, Beane would have no problem eating 30+m in a hit for moving Diggs during the Draft.

You'd be lucky to find a single player who gets picked in the 7th at a Local Pro Day. For example, Malcolm Epps is the 32nd ranked TE on DraftCountdown. Not remotely similar to a Top 30 visit.

Age 28, 21 starts in 65 games. Probably a solid backup Center option behind McGovern.

Not going to cut it. Teams like Minnesota who have not one, but two picks before ours this year alone at 11 and 23 need to get there for a QB. A number of teams who pick WAY sooner than we do need to get up to that area for QB that are picking well before us. The price tag is going to be higher than normal this year because of the competition. Combine that with where we're picking and them having to drop 24 picks and knowing that we consistently pick at the bottom of the 1st - it's going to take 3 1's right off the bat plus more. Probably still doesn't get it done.

The 3 RB's we know that they met with at the Combine are Audric Estime, Braelon Allen, and Frank Gore Jr. Estime and Allen will go higher than Issac. Gore is probably a UDFA. Allen is my guy. If I can get him in Mocks after WR or DT, I take him. Probably a little too rich for our blood IRL. But my hope is that RB's fall in general and that maybe he falls a little more than expected for not running a 40 at the Combine or his Pro Day.

What do you think a 5th or a 6th is going to get us?

This is true. There's definitely names not on the list that we met with that we don't know about. The only ones we know that we definitely didn't because it's been documented are the top 3 WR's (MHJ, Nabers, Odunze) and Ladd McConkey.

It would have to be even more than that. There's a number of teams looking to get into the positions you need to be to land MHJ to select their QB. That's going to drive prices up. Minnesota for example needs to get a guy. And they have 11 and 23 as ammunition to do it. And the other issue on top of the astronomical cost of what it would take for us to get there is the fact that some of the teams we need to trade with (Arizona, LAC, NYG) are expected to go WR. So they're not just going to give him to us and take whatever's left at 28. They're going to take him themselves. For us to get them to give him to us, it's going to have to be an offer that they have no choice to refuse. Which is a price that's more than that and more than Atlanta paid for Julio Jones. It's not worth it any way you slice it. Especially when you figure in moving Diggs costs us 31m in space until 6/1. We literally cannot move him at the Draft. We don't have any way to account for that, pay Draft picks, and Practice Squad for the season (let alone final touches on the roster post Draft and spending money for the season) - even with Tre's money coming. It'd have to be 28, 60, 2025 1st and 2026 1st to even start the conversation to beat out others and convince someone to pass on MHJ. You don't pay a price like that for anything but a Franchise QB. I don't care how good the prospect is.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39772593/ex-saints-wr-michael-thomas-enter-pretrial-diversion-program Yikes. Legal problems and injury prone concerns. No wonder no one's touching Michael Thomas.

That's the problem I find with all the Simulators lately. Idk if they're all just waiting on more consensus opinion for a bigger update as we get closer. But the rankings on all of them are really off. Like the one I did last. Javon Baker isn't sniffing the end of Round 4. Gabe Hall in Round 6 is even more ridiculous. Things like that are rampant across the sims. The trades are even more ridiculous. Some of these are like offering up their entire Draft to move up a couple spots and take your pick. At this point, I find them to be like an entertaining video game. Fun to play, but absolutely not reality.

Totally incorrect. Watkins was as big of a prospect as MHJ is now - and bigger. He was considered maybe the best WR prospect ever. He was a "can't miss" guy. Anyone claiming MHJ is a "Future Hall of Famer" before even being Drafted is being absolutely ridiculous.