Nephilim17

I think that's exactly what the OP is saying: Super Bowl - Chiefs vs Bucs: Bucs defense dominates the Chiefs offense and goes on to easily handle the Chiefs and win in dominant fashion. This would be the only year the defense of the next weeks opponent was ranked higher than the Bills defense, but even so, the Bucs were still just the 8th ranked defense in the NFL that year. AFC Championship Game - Cincy @ Chiefs: Bengals 16th ranked defense completely shuts down Chiefs offense in the 2nd half and goes on to pull off an upset and beat the Chiefs at home holding them to just 24 points (compared to our 42 points) to advance to the SB.

Given his big playoff game and couple more this year (there are always people enamoured with a couple flashy moments despite inconsistency) and a cost-controlled contract for one more year, I wouldn't be shocked if Beane was able to swing a player-for-player trade for Gabe or maybe even 4th rounder or something.

Some people here are in high-level meetings working on more...

Thought about doing something like what the OP did myself. But my enthusiasm died. Pretty hard being enthusiastic about anything right now as a Bills fan. Hopefully a couple solid FA oline pickups and a smart draft changes that.

I can see that McKenzie might get more YAC than Crowder but I firmly believe that Crowder will catch a lot more balls and that's more important, I believe for slot guy — make the catch and move the chains. And without last season, Crowder averaged, drum roll please... 14 games per season over his career. I think that's staying pretty healthy over 7 seasons.I think the broken ankle is more outlier than a constant. I'm not going to be one of these "fans" who would rather be right but at the expense of our team losing so if McKenzie comes back, I hope he builds on his success. At any rate neither McKenzie nor Crowder should start next year and that's good news. I hope.

Crowder had a 71.8% catch percentage in 2021 (12th best of all WRs in the NFL, not just slot guys) and has a history of catching way more balls than McKenzie. He has over 3 times the career yardage at 29 years old. I believe Crowder does better in the slot next year than McKenzie will, whatever teams they're on. We'll see...

More than one person has alluded to Crowder being injury prone. Here's his career games per season: 16 16 15 9 16 12 12 4 Really, the broken ankle this past year was his worst season and I don't think it's the same like a chronic soft-tissue injury some players keep getting. So take out that one season and was very reliable for three seasons, then just played 9 games, then followed that up with a full season, and then two 75% seasons. Not horrible. And if I was making the decisions, he would back up Shakir, not start, so availability wouldn't be quite as essential and he'd get fewer reps and chance for injury. I think his veteran presence with Shakir — if he's that kind of player to mentor a younger player — would be beneficial. Beasley would be great in this respect but at 34 in a couple months I think his legs are gone. I don't think McKenzie could mentor a 10-year-old, let alone another pro player.

This sounded good to me, but I checked his contract and apparently the Saints would carry a $26 million dead cap hit if he's gone. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/michael-thomas-18996/#:~:text=Current Contract&text=In 2023%2C Thomas will earn,dead cap value of %2426%2C174%2C352.

As a slot backup, I would be fine with cutting McKenzie and bringing back Crowder who got $2 million this year and might come cheaper a year later and after injury. Crowder is slightly older but has far more than three times the career yards that McKenzie has.

Lots of talk about needing to give Josh more weapons. I think most agree the other outside WR needs to be upgraded as a priority. But who's playing slot? My gut says we don't have the money or draft capital to spend on a premium free agent or college prospect. But maybe Shakir is the answer. 190 lb. and six feet tall. Good size compared with some other slot guys like McKenzie (5'8", 173 lb.) or Beasley (5'8", 174 lb.). And no, I don't think 48-year-old Beasley should start for us. What I like about Shakir: good attitude and focus (from the little I've seen of interviews and yes, this is very subjective); history of lining up in the slot and outside so he's versatile; cost controlled for years; fairly good speed; good hands and YAC. Yes, he doesn't have a lot of experience at the NFL level but given our lack of cap space and our more pressing, arguably, draft needs (WR2, O-line in multiple spots, LB, safety, edge, maybe LB) I don't think we're spending a pick in the top five rounds on a slot WR. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't trust McKenzie's history, hands, or focus. And I suspect Josh and management don't either. Tell me why the slot starting job belongs to Shakir, McKenzie, a free agent or a draft prospect...

That is nuts. But what's crazier is that some team looking to compete will likely pay somewhere in that ball park. Unbelievable.

Thanks. So if no guarantees of a rookie starting I'm guessing you won't be shocked if we only have one new starter on the O-line this year. Not the overhaul many want or expect.

I wouldn't bet a substantial amount of money on it as I fear otherwise, but I'd love to see the Eagles humiliate the Chiefs. Like 38 to 17 or something. But that's more wishful thinking than a prediction.

He meaning Joe B? Or Josh? Probably the former but thought I'd ask. It's it's Joe, it's quite the obvious statement; if it's Josh, it's way, way more than that though I don't think Josh is the type to critique his linemen in public.

I hear you. But given that the O-linemen we draft, even in the first three rounds, may not start year one, what's the alternative? I'm not being sarcastic here but I'd like to know how you would fix the O-line issue with this team? For example, ould you spend double the money ($15 million plus) on one premium guard or tackle?

I'd rather spend $20 million on 2 good guards than pay Edmunds $15 or $16 million and have a few million left. Get 2 quality guards in FA, draft 2 O-lineman (and a receiving weapon with elite speed or good speed and size and ability to win 50/50 balls) and I'm happy.

If the Bills were still on Josh's first contract I'd love to see us get Josh Jacobs. As it stands, let's spend the little money we will likely have one two quality guards, or a guard and right tackle.

Did the people here criticizing Warner for supposedly unfairly critiquing Josh watch the whole video? I did. Numerous examples of Josh missing the easy short stuff to go for (and often miss) a bigger play). Warner was super complimentary of Josh in this, btw, and said all QBs have off days and Josh is great but this wasn't his best game. 100% truth. I'm tired of posters here saying no criticism of Josh is allowed. He's a great QB but he has moments of non-greatness and he has room for growth. Dorsey isn't great yet but a lot of these play designs had options that could've moved the chains and beat pressure. Josh didn't take a lot of them. I watch KC and get frustrated with all the short stuff that they complete — "How can Kelce or those receivers be SO open?!?" I scream at my TV — but we have lots of those short options open but this year Josh has not been taking them. He's a top-3 QB right now; if he can improve — or return to his 2021 — short game, he can be number one or 2.

If you guys wanna keep hearing how Mahomes is the best of this generation and hear Collingsworth slobber over him, and Pat's double-digit-IQ wife, brother, and mother rant on social media about how great he is, keep cheering for him. Trust me: it's far, far better for the Bills and Josh and us fans if the Eagles win. Their fans may be classless but I don't think about them (the fans) EVER if we're not playing them. And I don't get worked up about the Eagles as a team. Lesser of evils by far.

I'll disagree here. Does "a lot more" have to happen than a vastly upgraded O-line and good pass rush? I don't think so. Upgrading WR2 will help and maybe a north-south running back who can get the short and tough yards but beyond that a better O-line makes Josh throw better, makes Josh stay healthy (who knows how much his elbow injury was a factor this year), makes the running game better, makes Knox look better, makes Cook a consistent weapon. And on D, if we have a pass rush, the corners look better, we don't need two veteran safeties, we don't need two upper-level linebackers... All the other stuff help but I'm going old school and say the lines will be the key and make everything else work better. I don't think the puzzle is as complicated as you do. We shall see...

Shaw, I appreciate your eloquent write-ups and thoughtful observations and agree with much of what you write but here — I think you're wrong. In fact, later in your same post you said if you had to point to one thing it would be pass rush; Joe had time to throw and Josh didn't. Bingo. That's the one thing the Bills need to fix: protect Josh and get the other guy's QB. To do the former requires an investment, likely in free agency and the draft. To accomplish the later, we have to hope for the continued development of Rousseau and some kind of return to form for Miller; we won't have much capital to draft high or spend in free agency on pass rushers. I think it's doable. Another receiving threat is needed to but priority one is stop the opposition's pass rush.

Maybe he can eat some sandwiches now. Holy crap he looks emaciated.

Motor-boating is a very safe activity. No exchange of bodily fluids. But so much fun with the right partner. That's why I, as a responsible poster, chose it.

Sweet mother of god. I had no idea. Nine turnovers. One game. Nine. That absolute armageddon of a game makes 13 seconds feel like motor-boating Pam Anderson in her prime.

If Edmunds is gonna get $16 to $18 million a year I would spend that money all day and twice on Sundays on the O-line. See MajBobby's post on who to spend it on and how much. We could get a couple nice pieces to the O-line for the cost of one good but not elite MLB. With no cap, sure you resign him, but given our situation O-line is 10x the need MLB is right now.