Bob in STL

Whats wrong with the offense is easy ... Not enough Spiller and way too much Fitz. Defensive Coordinators that face us are catching a huge break. If I am the coach I ride my best player. Chan, what is your story?

Even with his two big plays he was horrible most of the day and missed a lot of open receivers. Hard to beleive that we have no other option at QB for two years in a row. The worst part of the Fitz mess is that there is no prospect to play. Buddy Nix should be fired. That will take care of Chan, Wanny and Fitz.

He is learning fast and right now he is the CB on the team.

What BS. The ref made the right call. Gimore had his left arm draped around the receiver. If Stevie were held like that you would want a call. Look at the stats - - The defense did not make the stops on third down. The coaching sucks on this team. The refs did not cost us the game. We did not make the big plays. ---------------- To the original topic: Punting was a stupid call indeed. We already got the big break on the Colts interception-turned-fumble. How about some low percetage passes and then a punt? Never even try to stretch the filed. That is what the offensive genious Chan came up with. In that last series how about two carries for Spiller, knowing you have 4 downs to work with, that might have kept the chains moving for us? I am just betting that Defensive Coordinators around the league are relieved that Chan refuses to ride the best player on the team. Defenses dictate to Chan what he will call. What kind of coach consistently sits out or decoys his best player when he gets to the red zone? Punting was a Jauron-like decision. A loser decision. Take a shot Chan, grow a pair please.

Are you kidding us? Williams was fine today. The entire DL was very good today. We have minor league LBs and it showed today. Even with that our dfefense help them to 13 points. Kyle is the last person I would call out on this defense. The absolute last one.

This is an odd rebuild. The talent on the team has improved greatly IMO. The OL is actually very good and there are some playmakers on this team (Stevie, Freddy, CJ, Chandler). The defense is patchy and many of the draft choices have simply failed to develop. The major problems that : 1. No QB and no QB of the future on the roster. 2. Defense scheme started 3-4, switched to 4-3, switched DC's and actually somehow got worse ... ? 3. Game day coaching and overall preparation. We do not seem to make the right adjustments at halftime. 4. We lose a lot of close games. There is a lack of leadership and accounatbility among the players. We just do not seem to have players with a winning menatality.

I saw him play on the Bills AFL Championship teams of the mid-60's. He could block, catch, and run. One of many excellent black football players in the CFL that were given a chance by the creation of the AFL. Also met him at once Henry's Hamburgers. I was just a kid then but I could sense his friendly and engaging personality. Four time AFL All Star while playing with the Bills. He and Pete Metzelars are the best TE's ever to play for the Bills. RIP Ernie.

If they continue to play at current level = Spiller and Byrd. Maybes = Wood, Levitre and Kyle Williams.

Yes. Lets change the culture and win. Winning in our division is paramount to that.

I agree with your two points. 1. We are all accountable for our own behavior. Attending a Bills game does not give us the right to get so drunk that we become a nuisance (or a threat) to others or even to ourselves. 2. As humans we are acountable to each other. I would try to stop my brother (or son, or friend) from getting that drunk but if he did I would not let him out of the stadium alone. Lawsuits will be filed for sure. What was missing is accountability from all parties, the victim, the brother, and even the Bills. I am saddened to hear this news but as I have written in the past, things are more out of control than ever at that Stadium and the police our completely out numbered.

All I can say to this is that I am considering not going anymore. The indicident(s) that I dealt with at the last few games just might be the last straw. Been going to Bills games since the Rockpile days of '64. I don't need pom poms, cupcakes, or mai tai's. I don't know what Louboutin's even are.

Not really. He was not in the game for several of the goal line offenses. Just before the half he was on the sideline with a winter coat on watching the game .. pissed me off.

What bugs me the most is that we lost to them twice in and both games they physically abused us. They forced two fumbles on the 1 yard line, preventing 14 points to be scored on them. They knocked the crap out of Freddy Jackson twice. They knocked Scott Chandler into oblivion. They gve Fitz a smack down and not one Bill even said boo. The fines are chump change to these guys. The Pats* have two wins against us once again. Until we muscle up with them we will continue to lose. Tough game for tough men ... right Chan?

I have been to 12 NFL stadiums. I get back into town to make two Bills games a year on average. Buffalo is definitely one of the worst places to see a game. Unless you like rowdy, drunk, and obscene fans ( not just limited to the twenty year olds), and extremely poor facilities. If you are a young man with a wife and young kids this is not a great place to go. Bills games used to be an excellent NFL experience at one time but those days are long gone. Our collective tolerance for the drunks is ruining it. On the postive side there are still lots of great places to tail gate. ECC lots are still good but they used to be excellent until raided by RV's. (Thanks Ralph)

This hurts. I do think chan has better players than DJ had, maybe not the first year but right now he does. Chan has no chance of beating DJ. He seems like a decent guy but where is the tough part? He refuses to go strength against strength and therfore asks players with limited ability to do more than they can do. Take of the headset and kick some azz Chandler!

Remember "a tough game for tough men"? Where is it? Last week Wade Phillips puts 7 and 8 men in the box and says try to run on me, I will give you the pass because I don't fear it. So Chan does not try to run at all, even though running is our strength. Afterward he says "they took that away from us". A tough game for tough men? Came you imagine a team stopping Vince Lombardi's power sweep and Vince saying, "oh well, they took it away from us so we stopped running it". (?) This week, there were mistake and penalties all over the place and Chan says nothing to his players or to the refs. Bellichek is yelling at the refs all the time, Chan takes the calls in stride. A tough game for tough men? Today we ran every play on the last drive from the spread. Did they dictate this to us and did Chan decide this? We took our best player and flanked him out wide to run deep every play, even though our QB cannot throw deep. Spiller belongs in the backfield as a threat to run, a threat for a draw play, a shovel pass, a screen pass, a safety valve pass, or maybe isolated on a LB in a designed pass pattern. Spiller needs to be involved. With the game on the line I want to go to Spiller, not TJ Graham. This game is not that complicated. Chan spends the game inside his headset and reading his papers. How abpout saying something to a player for a change? A tough game for tough men? Where were the tough men when Fitz got blown away? The Bills look to be a reflection of their coach and I don't see the tough men anywhere.

It kind of did. It kept us from trying any running plays. It is inexcusable that we ran every play on the last drive from the empty backfield spread and that Spiller got the ball one time in the last 2 minutes. A time out or two would have helped us, of course with Gailey you never know.

I think you mean "pre-throw read" and you are assuming the play was designed to go to Graham as the primary reciever. Correct? Lots of things happening here: the Pats disguise their coverage, rookies run the wrong pattern, Fitz blindly throws to a spot. Was Spiller on the field? If I am Fitz I start with Spiller in the backfield. I use Graham or Jones as the look-off to pull the safety or flood a zone, then look at Stevie, then big tall Chandler, then Spiller as a safety valve. That is my order. Rookies like Graham need to be wide open to get the ball.

Thanks for teaching me about football.

We wanted to run George Edwards out on a rail remeber? Wanny has better players with more experience and he comes up with a defense that is much worse. Give this defense to Perry Fewell and it would be better. The game has past Wanny. He does not adjust.

So why do we design the most important play of the game to go to Graham when he has a history of bad reads? All I saw was three Pats and Graham. Sure looks like Fitz threw to a spot and Graham was not there . Kind of a dangerolus call in the middle of the field. I am upset that we played that entire last series with Spiller lined up wide and with an empty backfield. That alignment takes away the threat of a draw, a screen, or outlet pass to Spiller isolated on a LB. Spiller can score from anywhere in the field but he has to have the ball.

Was Jones on the field? I don't think so.

Agree. Not looking for us to start a war but really, no response. I feel Pears would have been there. Wood or someone needed to get in there and show up. So what happens .. Spikes knocks the crap out of Freddy next.

Some (hopefully intelligent) things to consider: Fitz is a backup in this league, no matter how many linebackers he takes on. His record speaks for itself. Not one single Bill came to Fitz's aid, a sure sign of a soft team that is giving up. Nix better take a QB soon and his failure to do so could cause him to reach. At a minimum it will cause some very big expectations for whoever that person is. This is crazy that for the second straight year Fitz's heir apaprent is not on the roster. The best player on the team does not get 12 touches a game? Spiller is on our team right? aYet we played with an empty backfield for every single play on the last drive. Nothing like making it easy on the Pats. Buddy Nix too smart? First time I ever heard that one. Our coaching staff continues to be out-coached week in and week out. The stupid penalties speak volumes for a lack of discipline and readines. I point to Chan for that.

No -- it does not make sense. I'll humor for a minute. I grew up in Buffalo and went to college in Rochester. Graduated in 1981 (Chick Knox era) and knew many fine people from the Syracuse area while at RIT. The overwhelming majority of them were Giants fans and could care less for the Bills or the AFL/AFC. For that matter, most did not really follow pro football very much. Fast forward 3 decades and things have changed. Since the Super Bowl years lots of "die hard Syracuse fans" such as you, your family, friends, neighbors and co-workers have emerged to join Bils Nation. My allegiance goes back much further. I fly back to Buffalo and attend two games a year. I have a huge family still in the area. I sit in a Bills Backer bar with 30 to 40 other devout Buffalo expatriots and we watch the game every Sunday at this new invention called a "Sports Bar". Sorry if that does not meet your standards. You can go back to you misery now and rest assured that you feel more pain than the rest of us.