Bob in STL

I though he meant the good bad.

Lets trade Nathan Peterman (QB) and Jeremy Kerley (WR) to the Raiders for Khalil Mack. The revenge of the Daryl Lamonica trade.

I remember when there were 6 ... talk about overkill. You need at least 2 to evaluate players and 1 to get the starters used to contact and in rhythm. 2 or 3, but add at least 1 more game to the regular season.

I do think Beane will address WR, OL, LB, TE, and CB depth. Right now our roster is similar to last year. Still weak at WR, weak on OL depth, questions at LB. The wildcard for this season is how will the QB play. Can we get more passing production from the new QB with similar ball protection? Perhaps the defense will be improved this season as some steps were taken to improve at MLB and DL.

Heck, I would just like to be able to run to the men’s room during a commercial break and then make it back to my seat without missing a play. It can be down in modern well laid out facilities. Not having some drunk piss in the sink would be an added bonus.

I used to love Rich Stadium, but the time it became The Ralph it was losing luster, New Era is pretty much a second rate facility by today’s standards even with the so called “improvements”. Best experience in NFL? Sure, if you like drinking and rowdy behavior - which I really did at one time - then New Era is fine. I also like the parking options and tailgate set up. Once you get inside the Stadium the experience drops because the design is so inconvenient by today’s standards. The overall amount of drunkenness, craziness (fires, table jumping, fighting, etc), arrests, and such seem to be on rise. I am so proud of Buffalo’s comeback. I would love love to see a new modern gorgeous stadium down in the city, with plenty of parking and green space for tailgating. Let’s it replace some of the wasted land to the south. Design it with 80,000 seats again and shape it to be loud. Reflect the city history in the design. Buffalo is is a city on the rise again and a new stadium would be awesome.

Teller and Boettger look like future starters but not this year unless injuries or the starters fall apart. OL is an area of need to address early in the next draft.

(Heavy Sigh) way way back In this thread i posted that they looked at the details behind his “accuracy issues”. That they analyzed every throw, every catch, every drop, every throw on run, every throw to covered receivers. They said that. THAT IS analytics. Do you just make things up? Did you not listen to Beane talk about the research and study that went into this draft. I never heard him say “we used our eyeballs and that’s it. Yuk, yuk, yuk, golly gee I hope it works out”.

Yes, Allen is a long shot. Most QBs are. But I like the pick given the circumstances at the time. In 1983 Todd Blackledge was drafted before Jim Kelly. Tony Eason and Ken O’Brien were drafted before Dan Marino. 26 players were taken before Marino, including back to back centers right before him. The draft is not a science. It is harder to find and develop a QB than any other position. The Bills past troubles stem from how few they have drafted in the early rounds. You gotta play the odds because they are pretty much all long shots.

Ive been a fan since 1963. I’ll never change teams. It was not meant to insult, it is a suggestion. Upon reading your posts you don’t seem to like the team and you go to great lengths to criticize.

McD and Beane are smart guys and they work hard. We finally have legit nfl talent in the FO and as a HC. They could have picked Rosen or Lamar. I think they picked the guy with the most upside. You can always root for another team.

From what McD and Beane have said they did not ignore his accuracy stats. They did a detailed analysis of them and decided accuracy would not be a reason to not draft him. On top of that they loved the arm, the size, the attitude and intangibles.

Watching him last year and then taking into account the off season I don’t know if this kid has what it takes to be an nfl player. We we are extremely thin at WR so that helps his chances but he is not looking like a McD kind of guy. Which is odd given McD drafted him.

Contract year. Expect his best performance ever. I am puzzled as to why he dismissed Cam during warm ups. Maybe Cam was looking for some reconciliation? I guess he sticks by his comments, for whatever the reason.

Reason 2 is completely false. The Raider bailout was financial and completed years before the trade. The Bills without Saban watching the store we’re complete idiots. The Raiders were coming off back to back 8 win seasons and Tom Flores, their qb, made the Pro Bowl as did his favorite target, Art Powell. The Bills thought they were getting Kemp’s replacement when in fact he was already on the roster. Lamonica bailed kemp out several times and would have beaten him out if given a chance. Al Davis was a real football guy and he knew talent better than Ralph ever dreamed. It looked like we got the better of the deal on paper but we got fleeced. Flores was mediocre and always hurt, Powell was washed up too. Ralph was mad at Al for years. In fact, Al tried to trade for the rights to Jim Kelly when Kelly went to the USFL. Ralph joked that would not deal with Al ever again, but he meant it.

Yup. That defense gave up only 4 TDs on the ground in 64 and 65. Sestak was a beast until injuries got him. Too bad Saban left. Lamonica was the perfect QB for the late 60’s and we traded him away for a few washed up players. We should have kept him and git him a few more weapons.

C o c k Robin, Talas, Weekend, 805 ... those guys are older than me. Too funny ? I liked the Jill’s. Bring them back I say.

Correct. Has to be 1968 and the unraveling is in full force. Tom Sestak’s (70) last season and John Pitts (48) first. Looks like we are getting blown away too. No way would that happen in 64 or 65.

Lots of players in the 60’s worked two jobs. Today’s rookies contracts are more then many of these guys saw in a career. That’s why it pains me to see the league pension fund and the owners leaving the pioneers of the game with little to no healthcare. There is money to help these guys.

He led the #1 ranked defense in the AFL at the time. That defense was the reason the Bills won 2 championships in the mid 60's. Some of the best Bills ever are in that video - Tom Sestak (70), Mike Stratton (58), Booker Edgerson (24), Butch Byrd (42), and Georges Saimes (26) are all on the Wall of Fame. Jim Dunaway (78) was and excellent young tackle that went to Miami to finish his career. I see Ron McDole (72) who was a giant DE that had a very long career, after the Bills foolishly traded him he became a starter for the Redskins famous Over the Hill Gang. What characters. Tom "Tippy" Day was the other DE. Different game, different era, but don't knock it. Football was fun to watch in the 60's thru 80's. More hitting, less rules, less timeouts, no replays, less commercials, less hype, and no over-analysis of every play to painful detail. If those players back then were young and training in todays environment many of them would make it in todays game.

Dalton is a class guy but one wonders about the importance of timing. Had the Bengals game been played on Saturday with the same result would the reaction be the same and as intense? Beating the Fish and then waiting and watching the conclusion on the Bengals game adds to the dramatic impact. I like that Dalton is awesome for sharing some of it with Buffalo and he will get red carpet treatment for sure. Bills fans are very generous and loyal and there are lots of local charities sponsored by Bills players. I’ve seen a lot of cities and Buffalo is a special place.

Really? That era would have been long ago, Halas, Lombardi, Allen, Saban, Shula, Noll, Ditka being one of the last of that era. He would have not have lasted long with any if these guys and many more.

TO came into the league in 96. Denver won Super Bowls in 97-98, 98-99 with a running team and a great defense. The NFL shifted to a predominantly passing league during TO’s career, not decades before it. TO and many of his contemporaries have stats that blow away receivers prior to that such as Paul Warfield and Lynn Swann but I’m not sure they are better players. TO has great stats and longevity and that is what got him into the HOF. TD passes from 13 QBs - big deal. The fact that he played on five teams says lots of things, not all of them are good either. Which is probably why he didn’t get a first ballot. I would have voted for him but I feel no sorrow for TO, and no anger with the media or the Hall. He created the sh@t show. Watched his speech in Chattanooga and was rolling my eyes, especially his nonsensical comment about the Bills.

This is true. I need to consider this. If I was a voter I would have picked him the first time around. Most of the real voters did not feel this way.

I did not see anything in TO’s game that said absolute 1st ballot. Sure, he has great stats like many WR’s from his era. He played when the NFL changed to a passing game and he is a top notch statistics guy, never a top team guy, and no championships. If Thurman Thomas was not a first ballot player then I am comfortable with TO not being one. To be passed a second time, yeah maybe that was a bit of a smack down. In the end TO got what he wanted, he got the most publicity of any player last Saturday.