JohnNord

I’m done with whole “Billsy” stuff. Such a cringe term

That’s fine but at the end of the day they surrendered 16 points - most which came off of 4 Josh Allen turnovers. 3 which happened in their own end. You can’t fault the defense for this game. It was squarely on the offense and our franchise QB. Who, I’ll also add, went 3-and-out to start overtime resulting in the loss. The only way to lose the game was to turn the ball over - which Josh did 4 times

They did, but that was the only TD the defense surrendered up to that point. And also, after the score was tied I believe Josh fumbled the football. The reason they passed so much against the Jets is because the run game sucked - but I would also attribute to this Dorsey who never seemed to be great at mixing up run and pass plays. Look how the Bills ran against the Eagles top run defense this week compared to week 1

Yeah I am the same way after a bad loss. For me, the worst part is how the frustration makes it hard to get a good night’s sleep after game day. It’s definitely hard to just “shut off” I’ve tried detaching a bit after a loss which means staying away from national and local coverage and social media. Here too - though the fact I get suspended every time I start a topic has made that part easy 🤣🤣🤣 But in the end, I think it’s typical for most sports fans that are heavily invested in a team. There’s highs and lows and rarely feelings in between. And once you’re all the way in and invested in a time, it’s impossible to stop. It’s like it’s hardwired in. I think that’s why this place is popular. A lot of use it to vent or overreact because in the end, there’s absolutely nothing we can do to change the outcome. The key is not to let it affect your real life. What has helped me is to think about how meaningless the NFL is in the grand scheme for most of us compared to family, friends, career etc… I did as well. The Bills always find a way to lose in overtime. While the FG might have been the logical decision I really hated not going for it on 4th and 6. I knew that if we didn’t score a TD Philly wouldn’t match down the field. Even if we failed, the defense would still need to be in the same position to make a stop.

It’s not that he’s loyal to them…it’s all he has on the roster. So in that sense, maybe you place some of the blame on him and Beane for that but at the end of the day it falls on the players, and in the case of the NE game - injuries. If you recall, the Bills were without DaQuan Jones and Ed Oliver. So they had to use Phillips, Tim Settle, and Poona Forna along with Kendall Vickers. The results were abysmal. Not only were consistently beaten and to make matters worse Dorian Williams was completely lost. Tyrel Dodson fared better but still was not great. This was a big reason why NE had success, which is maddening considering how they’ve looked in other games. Everyone wants to conflate the final drive of this game with some of the other missteps. But this was more on the lack of execution than it was about bad play calling or scheme This is completely true. The only way the Bills lose to the Jets were if Josh turned the ball over…and he did! In his defense, I think Dorsey was lost as a play caller against a defense like NYJ. He put too much on Josh making big plays in these games

Overall I don’t really either. The person who started this argument said he was no better than Doug Marrone in 2014 which I disagreed with. I think the coaching job McDermott did with the a lousy roster in 2017 was far superior to any of the previous Bills coaches during the drought. He did more with much less

I’m not talking stats or rankings. Go back and watch the final drive against New England. You’ll see players missing tackles and committing dumb penalties. It’s not the scheme of the play calls that failed as much as it, the defense just playing poorly.

I think the Dorsey hire looks bad in hindsight but in January 2022. Josh had an incredible game against KC and you wanted to keep as much consistency around the offense with Daboll leaving. Plus Dorsey was Josh’s preference as OC. I think they could have replaced him after season one but once again it was the coordinator Josh wanted. They also had their moments and were ranked highly last season offensively, so keeping him was no stretch. Both McDermott and Beane showed patience and faith and once it was clear it wasn’t working they made a move It completely does because it’s the same thing. You’re playing the whole “if…then” game. We could do this all day. I’ll start…If Scott Norwood doesn’t miss the FG in SB25 the Bills go on to win 2 more. If the Bills stopped the home run throwback they would win the SB in 2001. Since you love to play If-Then, I’m sure you have others.

This is some fun Bills fan fiction but it’s completely ridiculous for both parties. If you are Bill Belichick and have had 100% roster control for two decades what is the motivation to give up that control? Especially when there likely will be multiple opens job. And if you are Buffalo why would you want to hire a 70 year-old coach who likely will only be around for a handful of years when you could look for long-term stability?

Wow what a fun topic

Right but how is that different than any other team’s season. You need the breaks to fall your way. You can argue that KC was lucky to win the SB because of the holding penalty.

Shouldn’t the players on the field know this too the ? Go back and watch the screen pass. The defense was in the right position. The coaching staff can’t make the tackles on the field. This failure was more on players than coaches. There are 10 other players in the field. And about 5 of those Patriots also beat the ***** out of the Bills DL. Watch the tandem of Jordan Phillips and Tim Settle try to anchor. It was not pretty. When your players are missing tackles and getting their ass blown up 1-on-1 there’s little you can do to compensate as a coach.

Again, if want to play the “if-then” game we would be here all day. It’s just futile. We could do the same thing to nearly every Super Bowl winner.

This is completely correct. There was someone here to said that Beane was going to turn on McDermott to keep his job. My response was that he can’t because he would also be incriminating his performance. As far as the moves you’ve mentioned, some worked out and some didn’t. But you mentioned Von Miller… the reason they had to overpay for Von was because they repeatedly missed on the DE position both with veterans and high draft picks. So they were forced to overpay for Von Miller. The moves worked until he blew his ACL and now it will be an albatross to the cap. The other move that looks questionable was re-signing Knox and drafting Kincaid. Kincaid looks like he will be great TE, but Knox’s deal will hurt the team next year. There seems to be a fallacy that the Bills roster is better than it actually is.

Who suspended you and why would they suspend you for criticizing the coach? Seems to be within the rules

If you want to go back in history and take away accomplishments because of events that happened in the past, you’d have hundreds of events like this. That’s why his original premise was straight up foolish

Explain how the NE loss was a result of scheme or coaching? Because I watched Rhamondre Stevenson break about every tackle to get NE in striking distance on 1 play. After that we have a very bad PI and then Dane Jackson was beat badly in coverage. These are player breakdowns not a coaching one. As far as Denver, you can certainly blame him for the 12 men. But the PI wasn’t really his fault. If Johnson plays that differently it’s not PI. Not absolving McDermott by any means, but the degree of blame you are putting on him just isn’t correct

It’s definitely a problem and I truly believe McDermott when he says he doesn’t know why. Much like the Bills season there doesn’t seem to be a reason why. NYJ - Josh lost this game on turnovers NE - This was a result of the defense not being able to tackle, committing a costly DPI and flatout sucking DEN - McDermott was more aggressive here and went with the C0 blitz which resulted in a DPI PHIL - I’d attribute this more to the scheme and defense than any other the other 3 losses

Because this happened 59 earlier. And because it wasn’t McKinley.

September 14, 1901 when President William McKinley was assassinated.

Like I said, variance is high. Kyle Shannahan is 25-28. Dan Campbell is 9-13. Typically the one-score games even out

No but it would help to have the player you traded up in Round 1 able to contribute on the field. Or “the closer” you paid $100 million to actually make a difference in the game.

Your argument is hardly as airtight are you believe and I’ve pointed out where your logic was severely flawed.

Some of McDermott’s shortcomings are also reflective of Beane. I don’t believe this.

1. You argue variance which typically does exist with one-score games. Teams that win a lot of one-score games one season are sometimes bad the next. They were 6-2 in one score games last year. 2. The injuries to 3 major contributors on the defense. Yes injuries occur but few teams suffer 3 season-long injuries to starters on every level of the defense. 3. Offensive struggles under Dorsey. When the Bills need to the offense to pick up the slack they were struggling to score more than 20 points until he made the switch as OC. 4. Track record. Not saying this is what I want but there are arguments to be made and either way the decision won’t be easy