Billy Claude

The make rate is 83.8% this season vs. 85.9% last season which was the second highest ever. So the kickers are missing about 13% more kicks this season vs last. Last time it was lower was 81.6% in 2019. The make rate on 50 yard+ field goals is the highest it has ever been. So the rate is a little bit but not a lot lower. I think it feels like there are a lot more misses than usual because some established names have been incredibly bad: Dustin Hopkins (64%), Justin Tucker (70%), Younghoe Koo (73%) and others.

Returning to the OP's original question of Ray Davis vs. Baelon Allen , Baelon Allen has completely fallen off a cliff in his last 8 games. In that span, Baelon Allen has 40 carries for 110 yards (2.75 yards per carry). A lot of his carries are probably in short yardage situations but he had 4.8 ypc on 26 carries in the first 4 games. Allen's receiving stats are even worse. He has 5 receptions on 9 targets for 40 yards (8.0 ypr, 4.4 ypt) during the 8 games. How does a running back have a 55% reception rate? For comparison, Davis' stats over his last 8 games are 54 carries for 267 yards (4.94 ypc) and 8 receptions on 9 targets for 139 yards (17.4 ypr, 15.4 ypt). It makes you feel sorry for anyone drafted by the New York Jets. It seems the longer you play for the Jets the worse you get.

I had no intention of steering this thread anywhere. It had been steered off that post a long time ago as with most threads on the board. I was just responding to what a majority of the posts in this thread was about.

You may not care but most of this thread is about how Collinsworth has some kind of anti-Bill bias when almost everything he said was extremely complimentary to the Bills and to Josh Allen in particular.

Its pretty clear people hear what they want to hear. Does Collinsworth say some stupid things sometimes? Of course he does, but the man was slobbering over the Bills and Josh Allen the whole time. I guarantee you that most 49ers fans were disgusted with how pro-Bills the commentary was and how much he was ball-washing Allen. Yeah, he talked about the Chiefs at the end but that was because the next SNF game is in Kansas City. What did you want him to talk about? How well Trubisky was handing off? For me, I would much rather listen to him than to Romo.

That's what everybody is reporting but I don't see how Mara can keep Daboll given how badly the Giants are playing. The Giants don't have to win but there will be a huge amount of pressure to fire Daboll if the Giants continue to looks so disorganized and non-competitive. If Mara fires Daboll, it wouldn't make sense to let Schoen pick the next coach given that there is a good chance Schoen will be fired in a year.

Gilliam plays an entirely different role from Cook, Davis, and Johnson. Gilliam has pretty much the same numbers as he had last season, 85% of special team snaps and 9% of offensive snaps.

From the New York media reports Mara wants to give at least Scheon and maybe both another chance indicating that Mara strongly influence the Jones decision. However, I don't think he will be able to keep them if the team is uncompetitive as they were last Sunday.

Supposedly Woody Johnson flew in on his helicopter to fire Joe Douglas in the middle of practice. Obviously Douglas was gone at the end of the season but it appears the timing of the firing was a spur of the moment thing. I am going to guess Johnson heard about the Russini article coming out and assumed that Douglas was the source. https://www.si.com/nfl/jay-glazer-shares-how-joe-douglas-joked-about-getting-fired-right-before-he-got-fired

What Cimini said on his podcast was that it some people at the meeting thought Johnson was serious and others thought he wasn't. He felt it was most likely Johnson wasn't serious in the sense it was more "What if we bench Rodgers?" rather than "Bench Rodgers". I've been at enough meetings like that that this seems reasonable to me.

Gruden was not very successful with the Raiders and would have been fired sooner except for the 10 year contract. Dick Vermiel did not go back to the same team.

Didn't Cooper pretty much say the same thing after an earlier game?

I think original question was which QB had accomplished the least BEFORE a big second contract. Obviously Rodgers and Wilson had won Super Bowls before. Even Watson had accomplished more over a longer period of time before his second contract with Houston or his contract with the Browns. I think there is a pretty good case for Jones being the least accomplished before signing. Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler who were mentioned already are also good candidates though both were not with their second contracts were not with their original teams. One who hasn't been mentioned is Carson Wentz who was only really good for two thirds of a season before his 2nd contract.

I think there is a pretty good chance that Rex Ryan will be the Jet coach. Woody Johnson wants a name. I don't think there is any "name" outside of Rex who would be willing to work for Johnson. Plus, if Johnson really does pay attention to social media, there's a lot of loud Jets fans such as Joe Benigno calling on the Jets to hire Ryan.

The Bills were better last season (20th in YAC per completion). However, before that the Bills were 31st in 2022 and dead last in 2021. The Bills were 23rd in 2020. It would be interesting to see the breakdown between Dorsey and Brady last season.

As someone pointed out upthread, Saleh and LaFleur are long time friends. They were housemates when they were assistant coaches at Central Michigan and LeFleur was the best man at Saleh's wedding. This is just a guy with some unexpected time on his hands helping out a friend and spending some time together. I highly doubt he would join McDermott (or any other team except the 49ers) to do the same thing. Also, there is certainly no indication from the Jets offense the last few years that Saleh is any good at advising offenses on how to prepare for opposing defenses. I can just imagine the reaction of this board if McDermott hired Saleh to advise the Bills' offense.

On review, it was ruled that Kincaid fumbled the ball forward so the ball was spotted in the wrong place. Since there was a change in the ruling the challenge was technically successful.

That was the game where the SF defenders said they knew everything that was coming but had no idea how to stop it.

According to Wikipedia, teams can be fined, lose draft picks and/or have contracts cancelled, though cancelling Watson's contract would hardly be a penalty.

I didn't say wrecking booths was good energy. I agree that it showed a level of immaturity that you would not want from someone who is supposed to be a leader. However, I don't remember noticing that Dorsey was particularly low energy in general.

I had assumed this was one of those further evidence the league hates the Bills threads. Glad it wasn't.

How was Dorsey low energy? He was the one that wreck the booth after the Miami game.

Agreed and its already cost the Bills some games. There's been a whole lot of special team issues since Smiley came on board.

Absolutely, he was fired after his offense scored 31 points but the Bills lost because Rex Ryan's defense gave up 34. There was also reports that he called Ryan a clown show afterwards though Roman later denied it.

People are always talking about getting weapons for a young QB but to me getting a decent oline and a reliable safety option is much more important. A really bad oline could ruin a young QB for their whole career (see David Carr). Having good olines was a huge advantage for Mahomes and Lamar Jackson when they came into the league. Obviously Jamarr Chase is a excellent WR but if the Bengals had picked Penei Sewell like most expected, maybe Joe Burrow could play more than half the games. Beane thought he had a decent oline for whoever he was going to draft in 2018 but Eric Wood suddenly had to retire, Richie Incognito did what he did, and the Bills finished much better than he expected so he had to trade Cordy Glenn to move up to pick Allen.