Billy Claude

Yes, definitely agree. In this case the Bills wanted to move down as much as the Chiefs wanted to move up so the net of zero points made sense.

It looks like the team trading up pays more points than they get about 2/3 of the time. This makes sense since a team will only trade up if there is a particular player that they want and so has more incentive to make the trade than the team trading down. Based on that it is slightly bad but certainly not one of the worse 8n 20 years as claimed by Walder.

Makes a lot of sense. I am surprised that at least state police doesn't already have a way to enforce this.

I couldn't recall the exact numbers but I would say that qualifies as above average especially if you give him a small bump for weather conditions. I'm on your side in this discussion. I have never understood people calling him elite.

I think he was between 10th and 15th rank kicker each year so above average is an accurate classification. I never understood the Bassamatic business.

More accurately, he was performing as an above average kicker until last year.

It seems highly doubtful that the KC/Buff trade was one of the 10 cheapest first round trade ups in 20 years. I went back three years and the KC trade-up was the 7th cheapest (out of 19) so in about the 30th percentile. Here is the data in case anyone wants to dive in. Only trades involving only draft picks were assessed. All points totals are based on the 2024 Rich Hill trade chart and picks in a future year are evaluated at the highest point value for the next round for 2024 year, i.e., a third round pick in 2025 is given the same point value as the first pick of the 4th round of the 2024 draft. The same was done if a third round pick in the 2024 draft was obtained in the 2023 draft (independent of where the pick actually occurred). The +/- is the points gained by the team trading down. Teams trading down and obtaining less value than the trading up team are in boldface. 2024 MIN (gets 10, 203 => 374 pts), NYJ (gets 11, 129, 157 => 387) +13 MIN (17=>296), JAX (23, 167, RD 3, RD 4=>304) +8 DET (24, RD 7 => 238), DAL (29, 73 => 267) + 29 KC (28, 133, 248 => 227), BUF (32. 95. 221 => 227) +0 CAR (32, 200 => 189), BUF (33, 141 => 194) +5 2023 TEX (3, 105 => 546), ARI (12, 33, RD1, RD3 => 741) +195 (the large value indicates that I am most likely overvaluing future year picks) ARI (6, 81 => 501), DET (12. 34. 168 => 531) +30 PHI (9 => 387), CHI (10, RD 4 => 385) -2 PIT (14 => 325), NE (17, 120 => 319) -6 NYG (24 => 237), JAX (25, 160, 240 => 242) +5 BUF (25 => 230), JAX (27, 130 => 234) +4 2022 NO (11 => 368), WAS (16, 98, 120 =>365 ) -3 DET (12, 46 => 475), MIN (32. 34, 66 => 435 ) -40 NO (16, 18, 194 => 589), PHI (18, 101, RD 1, RD 2 => 581) -8 PHI (13 => 336), TEX (15, 124, 162, 166 => 355) +19 KC (21 => 261), NE (29, 94, 121 => 266) +5 BUF (23 => 245), BAL (25, 130 -> 248) +3 NYJ (26, 101 => 257), TEN (35, 69, 163 => 251) -6 JAC (27 => 216), TB (33, 106, 180 => 220) +4 You can see two outliers, the 2022 Lions tradeup with the Vikings in which Minnesota lost 40 points and the Texan tradeup with Arizona where Arizona gained 195 points. The latter may have been because I was valuing future picks too highly. In any case, it appears that the Bills Chief trade is still in the main portion of the distribution.

Sam Martin has been in the league 11 years. If he was horrible at holding he would have been out of the league a long time ago.

Slight exaggeration but possibly since 2019? That is, unless a bunch of best case scenarios occur and addition by subtraction really applies.

If they got one Chris Jones/TJ Watt type game changer out of all that investment it would probably have been enough for the Bills to win a Super Bowl. So at least partially, it was a matter of execution rather than philosophy.

It looks like they only had three in 2023 also (Allen, Allen & Barkley) and 2022 (Allen, Keenum & Barkley) also.

The Jets obviously feel there are enough snaps to go around. They are bringing five QBs to camp: Rodgers, Taylor, and rookies Jordan Travis, Andrew Peasley (Wyoming) and Colby Suits (UL-Monroe).

Not saying there backup qb wasn't horrible, just that a lot of posts seem to imply the backup played most of the season when Travis actually played a cast majority of the games.

Well, then you should have been more specific. After all, there appears to be many posters that regard the Bills as a dysfunctional organization with everyone under the iron micromanaging fist of Sean McDermott.

There are plenty of examples, though they don't tend to last long. For example, Adam Gase was clearly unhappy when Mike Maccagnan was making picks during the first year Gase was with the Jets and Gase got Woody Johnson to fired Maccagnan almost immediately afterwards. The same with Rex Ryan and Mike Idzik before them. Idzik wanted to rebuild and Ryan wanted to pick for need and eventually Idzik was fired.

Coleman also said on one of the videos that he regarded being at Michigan State as a two year sentence and that he was a southern boy at heart. Not sure what he will feel about Buffalo in November, December and January. Folks blaming the backup QB at Miami are talking like Jordan Travis missed half the season. Travis played 10.5 games. He only missed 2.5 games that Coleman played in (Coleman did not play in the Orange Bowl).

I enjoyed the comment from Coleman to Carter that they never saw the way Duke was playing him before and Carter responding with that Duke changed their defense every week. I guess it is easier to do that at Duke. It does seem the Bills put a high weight on intelligence and perhaps that was why they didn't that Leggette if the rumors were true. I regard most of the criticism of McDermott as nonsense but the one that I feel is valid is that he doesn't adapt his defense for the opponent but basically plays the same defense all the time This was the same issue with Dorsey when he was OC.

I appreciate the response. Actually Johnson was remarkably consistent. He was sacked once every 6.5 dropbacks after he left the Bills also. I think the best comp for Rob Johnson is Zach Wilson. All the skill in the world but just didn't know how to play QB. I will have to check this but I seem to remember the Bills signing Flutie before trading for Johnson. I think that was one of the reasons why Flutie was so pissed from the beginning. Definitely agree that the Bills were desperate, also I guess that Johnson also looked very good in preseason games, though so did Nathan Peterman. Definitely also agree that Flutie was not good that season before the Titans playoff game.

Sure you can always find instances where the fans are right and the "experts" are wrong but how many times have fans called for the backup QB to start and how many times did it turn out that the backup wasn't playing because he stank. I bet a lot more times than the opposite way.

I don't see any similarity between Fields and early Russell Wilson. Yes, Wilson was great at the broken play but he beat out Matt Flynn (who was a big free agent signing by the Seahawks) because Wilson had surprisingly great ball placement and anticipation. -- certainly not anything anyone has said is a strength of Justin Field. Regarding the Steelers, Pickett, Trubisky, and Rudolph is such a low bar to set, I have a hard time seeing that Wilson and Fields will not be better.

Rob Johnson was sacked 7 times in 35 pass attempts when he was in Jacksonville while protected by the HOF LT. That is 1 sack every 6 dropbacks which was a little worse than in Buffalo where he was sacked once every 7 drop backs. That is not a sustainable way to win games or stay off the IR. His so called "outstanding" numbers in Jacksonville occurred in a sample size of one game where he threw for 294 yards out of his 368 total yards with the Jaguars. In a sign of things to come, Johnson had to miss most of the third quarter of that game due to injury though he came back and played all of the 4th quarter (nobody said Johnson was not tough). Flutie was sacked about once every 23 dropbacks when Flutie and Johnson were on the Bills together, so at approximately 30% the rate Johnson was sacked. The Bills offensive line wasn't great during that time but it wasn't as bad as it looked when Johnson was QB. There should have been all kinds of red flags when the Bills traded for Johnson but it was before any form of analytics. As Flutie supposedly said when he left "I may not be a great quarterback but you can't tell me that I'm not better than that guy."

I assume this leak must have come from the someone in the Patriots organization. I never remember anything like this when Bellichek was in charge. Definitely a sign of a poorly run organization if these types of leaks continue (see Whaley, Doug).

I agree that they probably prepared some stuff for Allen to look at but I would hope that they asked him to pick 6 or 7 that he would like to work with and not one.

I am sure you are right that he can contribute in that manner. What you described seems to be a low floor to me for a draft pick at the top of the second round.

After watching that video, the answer to the OP's question appears to be "Fact: Keon Coleman is not a separator". He is covered pretty tightly on almost every pass. Some of it might be due to poor QB play but definitely not all it. The more important question is can he become a separator with better coaching. I assume moving from school to school and changing coachng staffs didn't help but sometimes Beane is unduly confident in what the coaching staff can do.