Billy Claude

That's a bit unfair. The Bills looked great for the first five or six games last season.

Here's a bunch that were/are coaches at the positions HC Frank Reich (Colts/Panthers) OC Alex van Pelt (Bills, Browns) DC Jim Leonhard (Wisconsin) QB Davis Webb (Broncos) RB Sam Gash (Lions, Packers) OL Mike Devlin (asst OL Ravens) LB Kelvin Sheppard (OLB, ILB Lions) ST Colt Anderson (asst ST Bengals) WR Naaman Roosevelt (Off asst - Saskatchewan Roughriders) Couldn't find a former Bill at secondary and DL.

Individual referees being on the take is certainly a possibility but the idea that the league decides beforehand who will win games, not so much.

Not to mention Jerry Jones being perfectly happy not being in a Super Bowl for 30 years. Also when do they tell new owners that all the outcomes are predetermined? Is David Tepper OK with this? Why don't any of the new owners sue the NFL when they find out about this?

Mainly because he was an awful offensive coordinator in Carolina. That's why he was QB coach with the Bills instead of an OC somewhere else.

Don't want to pile on but I never understood the Bassomatic stuff. His statistics are average throughout his career though I guess he should get a boost for kicking in Buffalo's weather. Even when he was special team player of the month, his "clutch" kick against the jets boinked in off the upright. That's hardly clutch if you have to rely on getting a lucky bounce. To me he always had a lot of kicks that just barely made it thru the goalpost.

Yes, he supposedly gave up some money to get his Packer buds in but 5 out of the 6 of his players they brought in will be gone by the beginning of next season and they would get rid of All Lazzard if it wasn't for the cap hit. I don't see how they can keep an OC who has been historically bad for two seasons. Just my opinion of course.

You probably didn't watch the game. Not many points but over 400 yards of offense. They looked nothing like they did under Canada.

Sean Payton was definitely right about Hackett. Broncos were last in 3rd down conversions last year at 29% and are at 38% this year and 38% in 2021. This year the Jets are at 24%, 5% below anybody else. Even last year the Jets were at 34%. He didn't even call plays in Green Bay. There's a lot of data that says Hackett is terrible at play calling. They have to fire him. Aaron Rodgers isn't going to walk away from all that money.

Saleh/Douglas/Woody had no choice. Maybe if it was an away game they would have played Wilson another week but the game is in Jersey. Zach wouldn't have been able to make it out of the tunnel without a police escort if the fans thought he was starting.

I will guess that they end up 9-8 or 10-7.

To be fair to Dorsey, the Bills also refused to throw to running backs under Daboll. Pretty much from his first season here, Beane has been bringing in pass catching running backs only to have them inactive or restricted to special teams on game day

I don't remember the details but Tua was definitely one of the highest in the league and Mahomes was closer to Tua than to Allen.

Wasn't there a thread three or four weeks back where @Einstein posted that Allen was less likely to go with the first read than almost any other QB in the league?

This is one of the criticisms of McDermott that has some validity. I believe that the Bills have been one of the most penalized teams in the league since he got here. So this is clearly not one player nor one play but a long term coaching culture issue.

OK. It is pretty understandable that he had a few drops given all the issues with his hands. The thing that is not understandable is, given the known injury issues with his hand, why the ball was being thrown to him in critical situations, or even why he was on the field in those situations. Oops -- this was suppose to go into the Knox thread.

. He didn't say they were behaving badly either. Just that there were a lot of them. They then made some folding table jokes afterwards but those wee just jokes.

He didn't say anything about Bills fans on the plane. He just said there were lots of Bills fans at the passport check.

Not surprised. You can guess who has a data/stat/math background on this board.

I believe it was a red eye. I can understand being somewhat annoyed especially if they are talking loudly.

It seems like an interesting question how turnovers affect game outcomes, so I went back the last 20 regular season games, i.e., the 2022 season and the first four games of 2023. The Bills had more turnovers 9 times. The Bills record is 5 wins and 4 losses in those games. This included two losses to the lowly Jets. The Bills has the same number of turnovers 3 times. They were 3-0 in those games The Bills had less turnovers 8 times. They were 8-0 in those games. Adding the data for the 2021 regular season. The Bills had more turnovers 15 times. The Bills are 7 win and 8 losses in those games. The Bills had the same number of turnovers as their opponents 7 times. They are 5 and 2 in those games. The Bills had fewer turnovers than their opponents 15 times. They are 15 and 0 in those games. The data does not support the idea that the impact of turnovers is exaggerated.

My guess is also that the Bills won more than 50% of games with more turnovers since the Bills win a lot of games and also have a lot of turnovers. However, definitely if they don't lose the turnover battle, the Bills pretty much just don't lose, at least in the regular season. I checked that the playoffs, the Bills had the same number of turnovers as their opponent in the first three losses. The Bills had more turnovers than the Bengals (1 to 0) but clearly turnovers were not why they lost that game,

I disagree with the first statement and agree with the second. I don't think the impact of turnovers are exaggerated. Since 2021, the Bills have lost 10 regular season games. They have more turnover than their opponents in 8 out of those 10 games. In the other two games they lost, each team had one turnover. At least in the regular season, the Bills just don't lose if they don't turn the ball over.

As someone who hates the interception is as good as a punt excuse, that one was actually justified. It was third and 20, there was no way a dump off was going to get you a first down and they were out of field goal position. I can understand Allen taking the risk there. That was one of the very few cases where the interception was actually as good as a punt.

Here is the data on air yards from Pro-Football-Reference. Obviously the 2023 stats are based on only four games, three of which were blowouts that did not require too many long passes, however, the difference between Allen last year and this year is pretty stunning. Air Yards Per Attempt (2022) #1 Mariotta 10.4 #2 Tagovailoa 9.5 #3 Allen 9.2 (2023) #1 Love 10.2 #2 Tannehill 10.0 #3 Watson 9.5 #17 Allen 7.5 Completed Air Yards Per Completion (2022) #1 Tagovailoa 8.8 #2 Allen 7.5 #3 Mariotta 7.2 (2023) #1 Garroppolo 7.8 #2 Love 7.5 #3 Stafford 7.4 #25 Allen 5.2 Yards After Catch per Completion (2022) #1 Garropolo 7.0 #2 Mahomes 6.6 #3 Z. Wilson 6.1 #32 Allen 4.6 (2023) #1 Tagovailoa 6.4 #2 Richardson 6.2 #3 Stroud 6.1 #8 Allen 5.2 I think it is clear that from that from the beginning of the season, Dorsey wanted to put more emphasis on the short game but Allen didn't have the patience to keep that going initially.