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If only they would see it with Edmunds and move him outside.

All great points.

This is a GREAT point by the OP. Allen is truly special. I’m still reserving judgement until we see a couple of season of this level of production, but he is making the WOW! plays and the basic ones now. Still makes some bad decisions and still throws some balls with no touch, but overall, he looks awesome out there. I commented to my wife “it’s nice to see 3rd and 13 and not feel like we should just send the punter out now”, of course they pick up 17 yards irrc and keep the drive alive. It’s amazing to know what other teams have felt like all these years lol.

I think you saw what it would be when you threw Josh out there his rookie year with no support. He can play Superman and put a team on his back. He’s a football player first and a QB second. Darnold has never shown me that kind of killer ability. That said, I would have drafted Darnold before Allen too because he looked to be the better QB prospect. I think on this team you are looking at Darnold as a possible pro bowler and probably 3-1 record as I don’t see Darnold leading the win with the Rams. Allen probably has 2 wins with the Jets, he has been a difference maker his whole career (sometimes not in the best of ways lol). Darnold still could shake out as a very good QB, if the Jets ever surround him with some talent / he leaves. The Bills hung Allen out to dry as a rookie, he was “meh”. They built up around him, he looks really good. The Jets hung Darnold out to dry, he’s dehydrated.. it’s a tough comparison.

Davis is what Zay was supposed to be, and he just completed his first Preseason. Nothing against Zay, he didn’t work out here and I don’t think his tenure in the NFL will be very long or very productive. He has that “potential” that gets everyone excited and that’s it. Physically, he’s what you want, but production, not so much.

I would rather he focus on playing QB and IF needed, he can take off with it. When the opening is there, go, but be the facilitator not the only playmaker as the primary option. With all the guys he has out there, no need for him to be getting hammered on. The WR core is at least 4 quality players deep and a couple of gadget/pure speed guys there too, so no need to make up that gap now. Knox is an animal, also definitely looked more cautious yesterday w ball control, and DS, looked great yesterday.

Glad to hear you wouldn’t make the trade, because it will NEVER be available haha.

Go back and watch the game, no play action, Edmunds can’t maintain his responsibility, comes up and leaves the seam wide open, repeatedly.

Yeah, just proof, I can add you to the list of guys that have zero understanding of how defense actually works.

false, the Rams beat the snot out of the middle of the field because Goff would move Edmunds around either with his eyes or by moving out of the pocket, Edmunds would move up and leave wide open throwing lanes, which were being abused by Woods and Kupp. Edmunds maintains his lanes the short passing game doesn’t happen either. He was a COMPLETE liability, maybe the first time he’s been a complete player his whole career.

You wouldn’t find a GM to trade Maholmes for Allen, Tre and 2 first round picks, so I guess the answer is pretty clear. The best player in the league, already w a SB win and MVP award at 24 years old. It’s not important, but no, having Tre and Allen is not as good as having Maholmes, let alone had you taken him you wouldn’t have had to give up all those picks and Cordy Glenn to get to Allen.

Way more concerned with picking on Edmunds who looked completely lost out there last week. Goff ate him alive. His lack of discipline to his zone is going to cost this team until he learns to do his job or he gets replaced.

What part of overall value of a trade are you missing? The first round pick and the money are the key components to all of this. You want to get on Diggs nuts over 3 more catches than a rookie WR, but don’t want to acknowledge he is being paid 2x as much as is under contract for far less time? Interesting. Not surprised with the Homer attitude. VALUE is more than 1 thing. If you want to look at the draft value chart, the Bills gave up about 930 draft value points to get Diggs, to go to 16 to take Lamb they needed 1000. If that fourth rounder had been this years pick, you were already there, but you could have given up a 3rd round pick and that would have been it to go up. So to recap, the Bills essentially gave up the 18th pick for Diggs. So to sit in your ignorant high horse and act like it’s a clear cut great trade vs making virtually the same trade to go up for a guy you have under contract for half the money and double the time, is pretty silly. Why didn’t the Bills go for Ngakue? No VALUE in trading a second round pick AND paying 20M a year. The value of Diggs is a veteran presence, proven commodity at a reasonable contract vs his expected production, but in comparison to production, your whole argument is trash.

I don’t think teams necessarily missed anything with Allen, the question wasn’t, “can this guy be great?” It was, “ can he overcome everything to be great?”. With more experience comes a better judgement on the talent and a “safer pick, to me, that’s why he “fell”.

Good for him, he’s really stepped it up this year.

Lamb went at 17, so let’s talk about moving 5 spots, the reality of the situation. If you want to cherry pick and act like somebody could not actually see the draft in front of them and know who was on the board. So let’s say we have to move to 16, now look at the cost and the value to move to 10 is way higher than to move to 14, so just read your own chart. Even less to go to 16. Now look at the contract implications, Diggs is paid 3x what the rookies are making and his contract runs out before them. So by the time they get to “real money” he’s going to be looking for top money. So take your extra 4 catches and shove them in terms of value. Again, Diggs is doing great. He’s a stud, no denying it, love having him. To say it was far better than moving to 16 to take Lamb, not an easy argument in value.

right, in their first 3 games in the NFL after a half assed training camp with no preseason. If you are missing that, you might need to wear a sign. Diggs has been great, not saying he hasn’t, but those two are crushing it, and they aren’t even done with “preseason” in a regular year. Yeah a realist! Oh no!

In all fairness, Lamb and Jeudy are killing it and could have been had for pretty much the same picks. Both are on rookie deals and locked up for 5 years, so try not to be too pompous.

I’m sorry, I’m calling bull#### on this. He’s invisible and not getting pressures, hit or sacks, so take your metrics and show me results.

Jackson does have limitations, but he’s still a helluva weapon. He’s a lot like Vick was, not the best passer, but such a PITA to contain. He’s dynamic and as long as he’s healthy, he’s a top 10 QB, not on passing, but in production. Murray is a helluva passer, totally different players, not going further into it other than his height can make it hard to see the field from the pocket. Allen, through 3 games, looks like he is starting to be a real good QB. He’s playing an awful lot like Big Ben at similar points in their career. He’s still making some realllllllllly bad decisions in terms of ball security and sometimes the situational awareness isn’t the best, but overall, he looks like a force to be reckoned with. If he puts a whole season together like this, you have a legitimate star/MVP candidate. So far you have 3 games where he looks like a much improved/complete QB. Trashing others to prop him up is silly. He should either be good enough to generate his own hype or not.

So far, steal. He looks really good to be honest, I’m very optimistic.

Yeah, Inthink we all remember last year when we would have given him away. Great play makes things a lot easier. Allen has stepped up, Diggs was a huge add and the line is arguably better as well, so his schemes are easier to make happen. When he wasn’t getting great play, he refused to adjust. I’m not super sold on him.

It’s all a cycle, remember the Bills went small to stop the pass with Jaron, got ran over, so next they went big and got passed all over. Now the teams have been going to hybrid Safties as LBs again and the heavy run game returns. The key will be have a team that can handle both. The old formula of great corners, versatile LBs that don’t get eaten up in the run, and a good DL will win. You still have to be able to stop the run so you don’t get crushed, but you can’t be forced to sell out for it, or you get the ball thrown over your head. The teams that went small, will get run on, the idea is to score more in this day in age. Ball control may work, but that’s not the current trend. It might be the “new” way as teams have built to stop the pass, so now you can run on them, and keep the ball out of the hands of the high flying offenses. Look what NE did to LV. The Raiders were looking great and got ran over and held to nothing.

Glad he’s finding a job.

Hopefully, this was a one week issue, but the Rams destroyed the D in the second half, the blueprint is there. I fear the Pats will steamroll the Bills again, just in a different form. The good news is the Offense has scored, but Billicheat seems to have another good D this year too. I’m definitely not crowing the Bills as division champs yet.